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The amount of unfounded speculation being thrown out there is completely blowing me away. I mean. Wow, just wow.

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Reminds me of john Beck, thought Shanny knew quarterbacks. He was way off on Beck. He was so far off on Beck, this idiot had Grossman as his starter and made us a laughing stock. He was about to be fired, we had been through his "system" QB gamble it became clear we needed a QB with some physical talent. If "Kyle" was such a good coordinator you could just follow his system to success. If this was true Beck would have proved it. It proved to him wrong. RG3 saved Mikes job. I remember those events.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048510]Reminds me of john Beck, thought Shanny knew quarterbacks. He was way off on Beck. He was so far off on Beck, this idiot had Grossman as his starter and made us a laughing stock. He was about to be fired, we had been through his "system" QB gamble it became clear we needed a QB with some physical talent. If "Kyle" was such a good coordinator you could just follow his system to success. If this was true Beck would have proved it. It proved to him wrong. RG3 saved Mikes job. I remember those events.[/quote]

I think he knew damn well Beck was a joke. Just another classic line of BS he fed us.

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[quote=Mattyk;1048511]I think he knew damn well Beck was a joke. Just another classic line of BS he fed us.[/quote]

That's sad he went in to the season with a joke at QB. Even played with Beck's mind. He was the joke and Mike played him and us. mike <<<<< Gibbs.

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]There are plenty of things that Griffin can be criticized for, but being too stupid to play the position isn't one of them. [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

I couldn't agree more. It also doesn't seem that RGIII had any issues knowing the plays or playbook. We didn't see instances -- this year or last -- where he threw to open space where there was no receiver or the receiver had done something he didn't expect (not with any frequency, any way). Nor was there any hint from the coaches that we were tapping into only a small part of the playbook beceause he didn't know it all -- which coaches will sometimes say with new guys, backups, etc. I don't think this has anything to do with the product on the field.

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At least the Shanahans are keeping their stories consistent.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/12/kyle-shanahan-disappointed-by-decision-to-shut-down-griffin/]Kyle Shanahan “disappointed” by decision to shut down Griffin | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048515]That's sad he went in to the season with a joke at QB. Even played with Beck's mind. He was the joke and Mike played him and us. mike <<<<< Gibbs.[/quote]

I remember, that summer, I was speaking with my brother about going to a game and I told him, "Until they get a real quarterback, I'm not going to another game! Grossman and Beck?! There's not a starter between them, I'm not going this year." Obviously, I've lifted that ban since we drafted Griffin, but I was all kinds of angry that Mike Shanahan tried to sell me on the Grossman/Beck fiasco.

Btw, he was wrong to bench Grossman when he did too. Apparently, that just his MO

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1048519]At least the Shanahans are keeping their stories consistent.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/12/kyle-shanahan-disappointed-by-decision-to-shut-down-griffin/]Kyle Shanahan “disappointed” by decision to shut down Griffin | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Amazing...

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1048519]At least the Shanahans are keeping their stories consistent.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/12/kyle-shanahan-disappointed-by-decision-to-shut-down-griffin/]Kyle Shanahan “disappointed” by decision to shut down Griffin | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Kyle trying to stay above the fray... keep his name clear for future gigs

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Haha we r like Jerry Springer

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<sarcasm> I always appreciate an out of touch journalist trying to throw daggers at my generation and thinly veiling it as "sports journalism." </sarcasm>

Jason Whitlock is a joke.
[quote]The reason Snyder has not fired his lame-duck coach is because he realizes he played a role in Shanahan's inability to connect with RG III in a way that would've allowed Shanahan to humble Griffin and properly manage him. Snyder realizes Griffin needs to be humbled. Anyone objectively watching the Washington game film realizes Griffin is living in a false reality as a pocket passer. Anyone who witnessed Griffin's Week 1, flag-carrying, drop-to-his-knees, pregame jaunt onto the field realizes Griffin has a lot of work to do as a locker room leader.

He's lost in swagger, a bogus reality fueled by social media and a culture with little regard for humility and self-awareness. There's no guarantee he'll awaken from his fantasy world. But Mike Shanahan will soon clean out his office knowing he shook Griffin as hard as he could.[/quote]
[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10121701/nfl-rg-iii-victim-own-swagger"]RG III a victim of his own swagger[/URL]

Oh, is that why, Jason? Actually, I'm more sure that it's because Snyder probably knows firing him now a. accomplishes nothing and b. doesn't allow you enough to time to mount the evidence to fire him "with cause" so Snyder doesn't have to pay him.

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I hope Dan learns a lesson he already knew. Never sign a deal where you can't fire the coach, GM, or whoever. Say look I'm making you the highest paid, can you give me results?

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Just think guys. Come sometime in April, we'll be drafting Jadeveon Clowney!!!!

:Flush:

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[quote=jdlea;1048524]<sarcasm> I always appreciate an out of touch journalist trying to throw daggers at my generation and thinly veiling it as "sports journalism." </sarcasm>

Jason Whitlock is a joke.

[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10121701/nfl-rg-iii-victim-own-swagger"]RG III a victim of his own swagger[/URL]

Oh, is that why, Jason? Actually, I'm more sure that it's because Snyder probably knows firing him now a. accomplishes nothing and b. doesn't allow you enough to time to mount the evidence to fire him "with cause" so Snyder doesn't have to pay him.[/quote]

Blaming Snyder was stupid but he hit the nail on the head with this part of the article.

Week 1, flag-carrying, drop-to-his-knees, pregame jaunt onto the field realizes Griffin has a lot of work to do as a locker room leader.

He's lost in swagger, a bogus reality fueled by social media and a culture with little regard for humility and self-awareness.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048525]I hope Dan learns a lesson he already knew. Never sign a deal where you can't fire the coach, GM, or whoever. Say look I'm making you the highest paid, can you give me results?[/quote]

He can fire any of them any time he wants. I'm not so sure MS won't be on the sidelines next year.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1048538]Just think guys. Come sometime in April, we'll be drafting Jadeveon Clowney!!!!

:Flush:[/quote]We're about three run ins with the law away from having that opportunity. Which we'll pass on.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1048519]At least the Shanahans are keeping their stories consistent.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/12/kyle-shanahan-disappointed-by-decision-to-shut-down-griffin/]Kyle Shanahan “disappointed” by decision to shut down Griffin | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Wow. Just wow.

Either these two are pathological or just incredible schemers.

Mike: Okay, I am going to hide your dislike of RGIII by taking all the heat. I'll let it leak out that I ... not you ... wanted to leave after last year, that I wanted to sit RGIII in Seattle but didn't, and I'll take the heat by benching him and making it look like it's all my decision.

Kyle: Sounds good Dad ... but how about this too - when you bench Robert, tell them you cleared it w/ Dan.

Mike: Oh ... that's good. Gonna throw Bruce in to, just to make it look like a "team" decision. Hee hee!

Kyle: Nice one.

Mike: Finally, just b/c I love you boy, I want you to toss me under the bus by saying you wanted Bobby to keep playing.

Kyle: Ahhhh, gee Dad, that's really cool of you! Don't you think that's going too far though? No one who knows anything will buy that!

Mike: LOLOLOL ... trust me. The sheeple will eat it up. I may come back and find a way to blame Dan for our "rift" but not quite sure how that would work ...

Kyle: I'll get to work on that Dad.

Mike: That's my boy!!

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Thats pretty much what went on.

I'm sure Kyle is already trying to line up a job.

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Kyle: And don't worry dad, I'm gonna pull out the real playbook this week for Cousins. It will be my best coaching performance ever and Cousins will shine. Then we can blame everything on RG3 and ride off into the sunset!

Mike: That's my boy!!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1048548]Wow. Just wow.

Either these two are pathological or just incredible schemers.

Mike: Okay, I am going to hide your dislike of RGIII by taking all the heat. I'll let it leak out that I ... not you ... wanted to leave after last year, that I wanted to sit RGIII in Seattle but didn't, and I'll take the heat by benching him and making it look like it's all my decision.

Kyle: Sounds good Dad ... but how about this too - when you bench Robert, tell them you cleared it w/ Dan.

Mike: Oh ... that's good. Gonna throw Bruce in to, just to make it look like a "team" decision. Hee hee!

Kyle: Nice one.

Mike: Finally, just b/c I love you boy, I want you to toss me under the bus by saying you wanted Bobby to keep playing.

Kyle: Ahhhh, gee Dad, that's really cool of you! Don't you think that's going too far though? No one who knows anything will buy that!

Mike: LOLOLOL ... trust me. The sheeple will eat it up. I may come back and find a way to blame Dan for our "rift" but not quite sure how that would work ...

Kyle: I'll get to work on that Dad.

Mike: That's my boy!![/quote]


I imagine Thanksgiving dinner went exactly like this. Mike had this planned in advance. How long is anybody's guess. He didn't just show up after that Chiefs game and decide that he could bench RGIII the rest of season to protect his QB. That plan was made in advance.

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Even Jake Plummer didnt like Mike all that much.

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/redskins/2013/12/11/washington-redskins-robert-griffin-iii-rg3-mike-shanahan-jake-plummer/3993605/]Former Mike Shanahan pupil Jake Plummer feels for RG3[/url]

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Well I won't be watching. Call me when FA starts.

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[quote=donofriose;1048556]Even Jake Plummer didnt like Mike all that much.

[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/redskins/2013/12/11/washington-redskins-robert-griffin-iii-rg3-mike-shanahan-jake-plummer/3993605/"]Former Mike Shanahan pupil Jake Plummer feels for RG3[/URL][/quote]

I find it funny that while everyone is bashing the crap out of MS, and he deserves a lot of heat, the current vets on this team seem to have his back.

As far as Plummer is concerned, his career was in the toilet until MS signed him. MS wants his QB to live at the facility during the off season and Plummer wasn't willing to do that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1048567]I find it funny that while everyone is bashing the crap out of MS, and he deserves a lot of heat, the current vets on this team seem to have his back.

As far as Plummer is concerned, his career was in the toilet until MS signed him. MS wants his QB to live at the facility during the off season and Plummer wasn't willing to do that.[/quote]

They are just trying to stay out of the spotlight.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1048567]I find it funny that while everyone is bashing the crap out of MS, and he deserves a lot of heat, the current vets on this team seem to have his back.

As far as Plummer is concerned, his career was in the toilet until MS signed him. MS wants his QB to live at the facility during the off season and Plummer wasn't willing to do that.[/quote]After he's not their direct supervisor, people will talk.

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Question to ponder: Had Mike and Kyle snagged Manning two years ago as originally intended, assuming this season was as equally disastrous and Manning and Snyder developed a similar relationship to that of the Snyder-Griffin one, would Mike have benched Peyton too?

Anybody listening to sirius mad dog radio? This host is going on and on and on about how the Skins are setting themselves up for a number one overall pick. Lol. I mean for five minutes. Shouldnt some intern be banging on the window? Lol

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1048567]I find it funny that while everyone is bashing the crap out of MS, and he deserves a lot of heat, the current vets on this team seem to have his back.

As far as Plummer is concerned, his career was in the toilet until MS signed him. MS wants his QB to live at the facility during the off season and Plummer wasn't willing to do that.[/QUOTE]

I think going from a bad team with zero talent around him to a better one in Denver helped him too. He had one excellent year in Denver. Not sure Shanny was such a genius.

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Shanahan is a genius and he is never wrong about quarterbacks!!!

“Let me say, when John Beck did come out [of college], I had him rated as the top quarterback coming out that year, and I didn’t even think it was close,” said Shanahan, who traded with Baltimore last August to get Beck. “I had a lot of confidence in John Beck when he came out in 2007. I evaluate the quarterbacks every year, and I do have confidence in John Beck. He was by far my No. 1 guy. I think the world of him.”

Shanahan has won one playoff victory in 14 years. Jesus fucking christ can we move on from this overrated self absorbed know it all? He fucking sucks now, and just cause he got lucky drafting running backs in the 6th and 7th round, everyone thinks he is a genius. If he was such a fucking genius, then why risk losing a stud like TD and ALF by letting 31 teams have them up for grabs for 6 straight rounds? He rode Elway to two superbowls, and after he retired, NOTHING. NOTHING, no postseason success, not even an AFC divisional game. Why the fuck is it so hard to see that this guy fucking sucks?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1048567]I find it funny that while everyone is bashing the crap out of MS, and he deserves a lot of heat, the current vets on this team seem to have his back.[/quote]

Taking a page out of your book... what else are the players going to say? Especially the vets that know it's best to just keep your mouth shut and play.

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[quote=punch it in;1048576]Anybody listening to sirius mad dog radio? This host is going on and on and on about how the Skins are setting themselves up for a number one overall pick. Lol. I mean for five minutes. Shouldnt some intern be banging on the window? Lol[/quote]

Outside of NY sports he's not really completely in tune with things. I do think he's funny though.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1048585]Outside of NY sports he's not really completely in tune with things. I do think he's funny though.[/QUOTE]

It wasnt Mad dog, it was one of his hosts. I forget the dudes name. You are 100% correct about Russo. NY sports, the San Fran Giants, and tennis. He is hysterical, and cannot pronounce the simplest of names.
As far as the host tonite, my God it was bad. I was just thinking "dude - please stop". Lol. Apparently the phonelines were lighting up and someone finally told him. It was pretty funny though.

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And the drama continues.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000297289/article/rgiii-extremely-angry-redskins-coaches-ready-to-be-fired]RGIII extremely angry at shutdown by Redskins - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=mbedner3420;1048574]Question to ponder: Had Mike and Kyle snagged Manning two years ago as originally intended, assuming this season was as equally disastrous and Manning and Snyder developed a similar relationship to that of the Snyder-Griffin one, would Mike have benched Peyton too?[/quote]

Interesting question. Who knows?

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[quote=mbedner3420;1048574]Question to ponder: Had Mike and Kyle snagged Manning two years ago as originally intended, assuming this season was as equally disastrous and Manning and Snyder developed a similar relationship to that of the Snyder-Griffin one, would Mike have benched Peyton too?[/quote]

Griffin has been horrible. Manning has not. Griffin is a diva who never accepts responsibility for his own failings. Manning is a true leader and takes responsibility for the failings of his teammates. This situation would never happen with manning because manning is a classy hall of fame player and rg3 is like a petulant child who feels he's entitled to respect he hasn't earned.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048001]What if.

What if Cousins starts Sunday and the team wins? What happens if Cousins looks better in a typical MS style offense (meaning no option and pocket passing with some roll outs) and the team keeps winning?[/quote]

This is what i've asked to myself and to the members here many times.

What if Cousins simply is the better QB for this team?

Griffin had a great rookie season, props to him and much respect where it is deserved, but the NFL, and this team in particular have seen plenty of guys have one good year and then never again play at that elite level.

Griffin even if he is 100% healthy is not what he was before. He may never be again. It sure seems like the skins paid a ransom for a guy who might just be a bust. It won't be the first time it happened here and sadly won't be the last time.

The smartest thing to do, in my opinion, is to put the best QB on the field. If we all of a sudden look different and Cousins plays well, possibly even winning the final 3 games, then the stage should be set for a true competition next off-season. To not do that i think would be stupid. And we could still get picks should they decide to trade Griffin (although very unlikely).

I just wish we were a team where the best man had the job, compared to "we gave up our whole future for this guy, we must start him no mater what", or "he is one of the top paid players, he must start"....

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1048600]Griffin has been horrible. Manning has not. Griffin is a diva who never accepts responsibility for his own failings. Manning is a true leader and takes responsibility for the failings of his teammates. This situation would never happen with manning because manning is a classy hall of fame player and rg3 is like a petulant child who feels he's entitled to respect he hasn't earned.[/quote]

So basically RG3 in his second year learning while Manning is a vet and knows what to say. Lets remember Manning wasnt quite Manning in his first couple of years. Wasn't it his 4th year where he threw 23 interceptions?
Also Manning had deflected blame from himself in his younger days. Imagine if RG3 came out and said they had "protection issues" like Manning did after the Colts played Pitt a couple of years back. Hopefully RG3 will learn just like Manning did how to say the right things and be a better QB. Or maybe Cousins will instead.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1048600]Griffin has been horrible. Manning has not. Griffin is a diva who never accepts responsibility for his own failings. Manning is a true leader and takes responsibility for the failings of his teammates. This situation would never happen with manning because manning is a classy hall of fame player and rg3 is like a petulant child who feels he's entitled to respect he hasn't earned.[/quote]

Goddamnit Donald Brown

At least we don't have any idiot kickers

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1048602]This is what i've asked to myself and to the members here many times.

What if Cousins simply is the better QB for this team?

Griffin had a great rookie season, props to him and much respect where it is deserved, but the NFL, and this team in particular have seen plenty of guys have one good year and then never again play at that elite level.

[B]Griffin even if he is 100% healthy is not what he was before. He may never be again. [/B]It sure seems like the skins paid a ransom for a guy who might just be a bust. It won't be the first time it happened here and sadly won't be the last time.

The smartest thing to do, in my opinion, is to put the best QB on the field. If we all of a sudden look different and Cousins plays well, possibly even winning the final 3 games, then the stage should be set for a true competition next off-season. To not do that i think would be stupid. And we could still get picks should they decide to trade Griffin (although very unlikely).

I just wish we were a team where the best man had the job, compared to "we gave up our whole future for this guy, we must start him no mater what", or "he is one of the top paid players, he must start"....[/quote]

How can you even make that assumption yet? Eli Manning has been proven for years now but this year he's going to end the year having more INTs than TDs, better put that bitch out to pasture, right? He'll NEVER have another good year.

There's absolutely no way you can assume RG3 won't be who he was. All signs point to him actually being ABLE to, but he needs 3 things 1) A better coach 2) Some better players and 3) Better mechanics and decision making.

Next year (and potentially 2015) is really the big year to tell whether or not Griff is NFL elite material.

Hell, I'm not even 100% against pulling RG3 and playing Cousins, but its WAY too early to talk about RG3 being a bust. Jesus, give the guy another healthy year and see what happens.

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[quote=donofriose;1048603]So basically RG3 in his second year learning while Manning is a vet and knows what to say. Lets remember Manning wasnt quite Manning in his first couple of years. Wasn't it his 4th year where he threw 23 interceptions?
Also Manning had deflected blame from himself in his younger days. Imagine if RG3 came out and said they had "protection issues" like Manning did after the Colts played Pitt a couple of years back. Hopefully RG3 will learn just like Manning did how to say the right things and be a better QB. Or maybe Cousins will instead.[/quote]

I'm not comparing 2nd year manning to 2nd year rg3. I'm comparing 2013 manning to 2013 rg3. We would not have this drama if we'd gotten manning.... However with the cap penalty I'm not sure how we could have anyways. Right now, I don't think rg3 has the respect of his coaches or teammates. He needs to grow up in this offseason if he wants to have a future in the league.