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I'm glad amphetamines have been reclassified as substance abuse drugs under the new policy. Honestly it's been kind of a bad joke for a while now having them classifying as PEDs. The PED label needs to be reserved for steroids and HGH. Up until now it's basically been the equivalent of calling an 18 year old caught with their 17 year old boyfriend or girlfriend a sex offender.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1083749][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11540363/kurt-warner-junior-seau-15-first-year-candidates-nominated-pro-football-hall-fame]Kurt Warner, Junior Seau among 15 first-year candidates nominated for Pro Football Hall of Fame - ESPN[/url]

HOF Candidates for this year.

[B]Quick side note, am I the only one who feels that Marvin Harrison just disappeared from the public eye and no one talks about how he was involved in a two shootings and civil suit?[/B][/quote]

I think that's part of the reason he's not in the Hall right now.

Really rooting for Tim Brown to get in.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1083748]I still think it was Ziggy Wilf that reversed the decision. He had already lost his Raddison sponsor and then when Anheiser/Busch comes out and makes a statement, well it doesn't take long to understand these guys respond to bottom lines and nothing else.

Notice the Panthers did the same thing. I have respect for Jerry Richardson though, you can tell this has really bothered him because he actually got on the podium. (and broke down) I think the Panthers just wanted to give Hardy the due process he's deserved, and that's understandable when you don't have the tangible evidence like we saw with the Rice case.[/quote]

Wasn't Hardy already convicted? That seems like enough

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[quote=SmootSmack;1083756]Wasn't Hardy already convicted? That seems like enough[/quote]

He was convicted in June. He is in the process of appealing that decision.

If there is enough evidence for AP to be deactivated there was more than enough for Hardy.

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[quote=donofriose;1083758]He was convicted in June. He is in the process of appealing that decision.

If there is enough evidence for AP to be deactivated there was more than enough for Hardy.[/quote]

[url=http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/12/greg-hardy-carolina-panthers-domestic-abuse]If there were a Greg Hardy video, would Greg Hardy be playing Sunday? - NFL - SI.com[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;1083756]Wasn't Hardy already convicted? That seems like enough[/quote]

It was a bench trial, not a trial by peers. The thing about judges making these types of judgements, none of them want to be known as the guy who let's off some woman beater in case he goes and kills her after he's let go. I've sit in court and watched a judge let go a woman in a assault with another woman (and this woman had serious proof of an assault), and turn around and drop the guilty verdict on the next case where there really was no evidence. The difference is, one involved a man, the other a woman. I'm not saying that's the case here because I don't know the details, it's just saying I don't fully trust judgements made in these cases.

We've had situations in NC where judges were lenient on some DV cases and the man goes back and kills the wife. The judge took heat as well as the district attorney. Now, the DA won't even drop a DV case without charging the woman for filing a false report. Truthfully, Hardy should have asked for a trial by peers from the get go.


I agree though. He should be deactivated until his name is(or if) cleared in a trial by jury, since he's been found guilty in the first round.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1083761]It was a bench trial, not a trial by peers. The thing about judges making these types of judgements, none of them want to be known as the guy who let's off some woman beater in case he goes and kills her after he's let go. I've sit in court and watched a judge let go a woman in a assault with another woman (and this woman had serious proof of an assault), and turn around and drop the guilty verdict on the next case where there really was no evidence. The difference is, one involved a man, the other a woman. I'm not saying that's the case here because I don't know the details, it's just saying I don't fully trust judgements made in these cases.

We've had situations in NC where judges were lenient on some DV cases and the man goes back and kills the wife. The judge took heat as well as the district attorney. Now, the DA won't even drop a DV case without charging the woman for filing a false report. Truthfully, Hardy should have asked for a trial by peers from the get go.


I agree though. He should be deactivated until his name is(or if) cleared in a trial by jury, since he's been found guilty in the first round.[/quote]

I agree with your point, but that should be irrelevant with what the NFL does.

The NFL shouldn't be in the business of choosing which convictions to uphold. That is up to the Judicial System. So I agree with you about deactivating him until he receives a new trail.

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I think the NFL's lack of a stringent policy on suspending players involved in criminal matters is hurting them on this one. In the past Goodell hasn't even waited for a guilty verdict to suspend a player. I think he just picks and chooses which ones to wait on and which ones to act on. In a case like Hardy's it's definitely making him look bad, he's already gone through trial and the NFL hasn't done anything yet. Since when does the NFL wait for an appeal to be over before they act on a player?

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[quote=mooby;1083772]I think the NFL's lack of a stringent policy on suspending players involved in criminal matters is hurting them on this one. In the past Goodell hasn't even waited for a guilty verdict to suspend a player. I think he just picks and chooses which ones to wait on and which ones to act on. In a case like Hardy's it's definitely making him look bad, he's already gone through trial and the NFL hasn't done anything yet. Since when does the NFL wait for an appeal to be over before they act on a player?[/quote]

Since Jerry Richardson probably asked for a favor. They all like their money, until it costs the NFL something to address domestic violence and have a consistent policy.. doubt anything changes.

[url=http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2014-09-14/ray-rice-video-jerry-richardson-domestic-violence-roger-goodell-support-owners-signing-letter-panthers-owner]Report: Jerry Richardson seeks signatures for Roger Goodell support | NFL | Sporting News[/url]

Bad timing for Richardson in my opinion.

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Vikings: We are going too wait for the legal process to resolve itself.

Sponsors: Okay, so will we. If he's cleared, you can have our money. Until were convinced he's cleared, you can't have our money.

Vikings: Oh, well, when we said we were going to wait, we meant what you said. Please continue to give us money.

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[B][SIZE="3"]@kaitlynross1

#Breaking: attorney Gloria Allred will hold a news conference in ATL about a NEW allegation of domestic violence in the NFL this afternoon[/SIZE][/B]



:Flush:

This season has started incredibly shitty.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1083785][B][SIZE="3"]@kaitlynross1

#Breaking: attorney Gloria Allred will hold a news conference in ATL about a NEW allegation of domestic violence in the NFL this afternoon[/SIZE][/B]



:Flush:

This season has started incredibly shitty.[/quote]

Man this is crazy. I think Allred could handle it in a better manner though, by announcing it beforehand it looks like she's trying to drum up publicity. If it really was all about the victim she should've just come out and announced it.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1083785]@kaitlynross1

#Breaking: attorney Gloria [B]AllDred[/B] will hold a news conference in ATL about a NEW allegation of domestic violence in the NFL this afternoon
[/quote]


ftfy

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[quote=NC_Skins;1083761]It was a bench trial, not a trial by peers. The thing about judges making these types of judgements, none of them want to be known as the guy who let's off some woman beater in case he goes and kills her after he's let go. I've sit in court and watched a judge let go a woman in a assault with another woman (and this woman had serious proof of an assault), and turn around and drop the guilty verdict on the next case where there really was no evidence. The difference is, one involved a man, the other a woman. I'm not saying that's the case here because I don't know the details, it's just saying I don't fully trust judgements made in these cases.

We've had situations in NC where judges were lenient on some DV cases and the man goes back and kills the wife. The judge took heat as well as the district attorney. Now, the DA won't even drop a DV case without charging the woman for filing a false report. Truthfully, Hardy should have asked for a trial by peers from the get go.


I agree though. He should be deactivated until his name is(or if) cleared in a trial by jury, since he's been found guilty in the first round.[/quote]

Not trying to derail a thread, but former chief of police, for Baltimore City and the state of Maryland, Ed Norris recently said if you are innocent go with a judge trial if you are guilty always go with a jury.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1083782]Vikings: We are going too wait for the legal process to resolve itself.

Sponsors: Okay, so will we. If he's cleared, you can have our money. Until were convinced he's cleared, you can't have our money.

Vikings: Oh, well, when we said we were going to wait, we meant what you said. Please continue to give us money.[/quote]

Pretty much. Gotta admire the integrity.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1083785][B][SIZE="3"]@kaitlynross1

#Breaking: attorney Gloria Allred will hold a news conference in ATL about a NEW allegation of domestic violence in the NFL this afternoon[/SIZE][/B]



:Flush:

This season has started incredibly shitty.[/quote]

I think the NFL has always had a problem similar to this, it is just under a microscope because of Ray Rice and how technology has made it possible to see these incidents. I of course can't forget Social Media.

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[quote=donofriose;1083800]I think the NFL has always had a problem similar to this, it is just under a microscope because of Ray Rice and how technology has made it possible to see these incidents. I of course can't forget Social Media.[/quote]

I have not heard anyone mention it, but maybe someone has, but I wonder the % of these violent incidents involves alcohol? I bet most if not all do. Alcohol the legal drug that kills more people than all drugs combined. Maybe these player need to not drink to excess?

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surprised Florio hasnt written an article on PFT blaming the Skins name on the rise of domestic violence and child abuse issues.

Tell ya, kinda funny how that issue goes away when games start being played and real crimes start occuring.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1083785][B][SIZE="3"]@kaitlynross1

#Breaking: attorney Gloria Allred will hold a news conference in ATL about a NEW allegation of domestic violence in the NFL this afternoon[/SIZE][/B]

[/quote]

Okay someone get me up to speed on this. Is she representing somebody who is coming forward with a claim, was she abused herself, or is she addressing the league policy in general? I guess I could go to the conference myself but apparently its minutes away right.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1083806]Okay someone get me up to speed on this. Is she representing somebody who is coming forward with a claim, was she abused herself, or is she addressing the league policy in general? I guess I could go to the conference myself but apparently its minutes away right.[/quote]

Why dont you go on over there and represent. If there is a Q&A just have you question ready, the 3rd one.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1083806]Okay someone get me up to speed on this. Is she representing somebody who is coming forward with a claim, was she abused herself, or is she addressing the league policy in general? I guess I could go to the conference myself but apparently its minutes away right.[/quote]

While she has a law degree, I do not think she is a trial lawyer. She is more of a spokesperson for victims. She loves to be in front of the camera.

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[quote=Chico23231;1083807]Why dont you go on over there and represent. If there is a Q&A just have you question ready, the 3rd one.[/quote]

Lol, too late plus it wasn't too long ago when Atlanta was competing with LA for worst traffic in America so no thanks to running across town.

[url=http://www.nbcnews.com/watch/live-video/watch-live-gloria-allred-and-alleged-nfl-victims-hold-press-conference-322484291648]Watch Live: Gloria Allred and Alleged NFL Victims Hold Press Conference - NBC News[/url]

Apparently lawyer is pretty much an ambulance chaser so that doesn't help the cause.

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[quote=Chico23231;1083805]surprised Florio hasnt written an article on PFT blaming the Skins name on the rise of domestic violence and child abuse issues.

Tell ya, kinda funny how that issue goes away when games start being played and real crimes start occuring.[/quote]

I'm sure no one will say this, but these issues with Rice and Peterson, and the way the Ravens and Vikings have mishandled their situation, make the Redskins name controversy so insignificant IMO.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1083804]I have not heard anyone mention it, but maybe someone has, but I wonder the % of these violent incidents involves alcohol? I bet most if not all do. Alcohol the legal drug that kills more people than all drugs combined. Maybe these player need to not drink to excess?[/QUOTE]


Yeah and Budweiser sticking their nose into things is a joke.

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Press conference for new domestic violence allegations towards Brandon Marshall is about as exciting as watching paint dry. I'll wait for the cliff notes. Though why the hell is the guy on the right wearing sun glasses? Unless he has what Richard Belzer where his eyes are extremely sensitive to light there's no good reason to wear shades in doors never mind at a major press conference.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1083812]Yeah and Budweiser sticking their nose int[YT][/YT]o things is a joke.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1083809]While she has a law degree, I do not think she is a trial lawyer. She is more of a spokesperson for victims. [I][B]She loves to be in front of the camera.[/B][/I][/QUOTE]

Thats kind of what I was afraid of. We don't need people to sensationalize it anymore than necessary. You already have Ray Rice apologist trying to accuse every woman that comes forward as gold diggers and a con artist so if possible I'd like the issue to avoid as many credibility problems as possible.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1083811]I'm sure no one will say this, but these issues with Rice and Peterson, and the way the Ravens and Vikings have mishandled their situation, make the Redskins name controversy so insignificant IMO.[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing until I saw [URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/snyder-only-will-respond-to-nickname-controversy-when-corporate-dollars-go-131932695.html"]this[/URL]. Just when everybody seems to forget, someone's gotta remind them. I also liked how he pretty much laid out the plan that probably has the best chance of getting the name changed.

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That was my first thought when Radisson pulled their money. If the people who want our name changed really want that to happen they need to bring it home to Fedex and Bon Secours among others. I actually think both those corporations would be sensitive to that type action. It would be interesting to see if they try that

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1083703]I think the money gives the victim more reason to hide the abuse than to falsely accuse a NFL player. Especially now that careers are at stake. A silent victim can receive a lot of compensatory pay but if the accused suddenly has no income then what does a fake victim gain?[/quote]


Fame , take the Duke Lacrosse team ,hell even the teachers came out and ask for them to all be dismissed !



Really good read .

[url=http://www.salon.com/2014/04/06/the_duke_lacrosse_rape_scandal_the_definitive_account/]The Duke lacrosse rape scandal: The definitive account - Salon.com[/url]

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47 players have been convicted of assault charges against women since Goodell came into power.

None have them prior to Rice resulted in more than a 1 game suspension.

Yeah.

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Is Goodell in the Witness Protection Program? That man has been hiding under his desk since that horrible interview.

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[quote=Giantone;1083700]Leaving Ray Rice out for just a min . Lets do some what if's ,what if some of the accusations thrown at some of these stars aren't true ? You make 11 million a year and a women says he hit me or an ex ......and many of you who have them have bitch about them for lying ,an ex says he abused my child ,and then find our months hell maybe even a year or two later it's not true , what then ?I ask because I know of a case similar and before the others jump me , NO I don,t believe in hitting kids or women and the ones that do should be fully prosecuted ,period .What if the accusations are not true ?[/quote]

Hey, I'm with you. I've been railing against the dangers of the Court of Public Opinion and the type of people that push this stuff, the ways they do it, etc.

I was attacked for comparing the redskins name controversy to beating women and children. LOL.

It's not popular to point that stuff out... People don't like it. Due process is only supported when you're the one being accused of things.

Look at the number of cases of convicted (CONVICTED) women abusers since Goodell took over. **NOW** it's an issue?

Yes, it's a complete lack of decency on the NFL's part. Partly due to incompetence, partly due to greed, and I imagine partly do to just not caring.

But there's a ridiculous amount of hypocrisy in this story among the general public. It took a video of Rice actually striking her for this to reach this level - why? This has been a problem in this league for DECADES - now all the sudden the righteous are up in arms?

It's laughable.

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[quote=tshile;1083829]47 players have been convicted of assault charges against women since Goodell came into power.

None have them prior to Rice resulted in more than a 1 game suspension.

Yeah.[/quote]

Was there tape? I have been saying this is the only difference. The first tape was the only reason Rice got 2 games.

And the pictures are the only reason Peterson is on the "exempt list", whatever the heck that is.

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[quote=Mattyk;1083812]Yeah and Budweiser sticking their nose into things is a joke.[/quote]

I wonder what their "stance" will be when another player gets drunk on their product and kills someone. Like the Cowboy player who is coming back this season after a 10 game suspension.

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[quote=Hijinx;1083832]Was there tape? I have been saying this is the only difference. The first tape was the only reason Rice got 2 games.

And the pictures are the only reason Peterson is on the "exempt list", whatever the heck that is.[/quote]

That's my whole point...

people needed a tape to think it's wrong for the NFL to allow players that beat women in their league making millions.

You need a tape to understand what it means for a man to knock a woman out to get angry about it? (general "You", not you specifically :) )

Pathetic.

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[url=http://mmqb.si.com/2014/09/17/mark-cuban-nfl-roger-goodell-team-owners-failing-to-be-leaders/]NFL team owners and Roger Goodell failing to be leaders in tough times | The MMQB with Peter King[/url]
[QUOTE][B]Hubris and Hogwash[/B]
Mark Cuban was scoffed and sneered at for warning the NFL about the perils of arrogance. His words now look prophetic as the mighty league has been made vulnerable by player misdeeds and the failures of leadership
[/QUOTE]

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The NBA isn't much better....

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Also, can't help but laugh at Anheuser Busch's moral high horse.

Do they realize most people consider their product that they make to be among the most damaging out there for society?

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[quote=tshile;1083836]The NBA isn't much better....[/quote]

Actually I think your wrong

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[quote=Hijinx;1083832]Was there tape? I have been saying this is the only difference. The first tape was the only reason Rice got 2 games.

And the pictures are the only reason Peterson is on the "exempt list", whatever the heck that is.[/quote]

pacman jones punched a woman in her face last year on video and all he got were a bunch of guys commenting on the internet how he was just defending himself bc she initiated contact by putting a pint glass to his face ....... after he got into a verbal argument with a group of ladies who didnt know who he was and didnt want to talk to him .. after one of his buddies tries to pull him away and tell him to leave .. he decides to walk back to where the girls were and lean over the rail to continue to exchange pleasantries.

[url=http://www.tmz.com/2013/10/08/adam-pacman-jones-not-guilty-hitting-woman-nightclub-ohio/]Adam 'Pacman' Jones -- Not Guilty of Punching Woman at Nightclub | TMZ.com[/url]

giantone - i think any NFL punishment should wait until the court proceedings are concluded but i do think the NFL should reserve the ability to discipline a player immediately if substantial evidence of guilt is available from the beginning with the option to reduce, modify or increase punishment if and when the criminal proceeding is concluded or new evidence becomes known (exculpatory or inculpatory)

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[quote=Chico23231;1083839]Actually I think your wrong[/quote]

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