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[quote=ThirdEyeSquad28;1280377]My take with what the football team should continue doing is building everything important around the QB (a STRONG o-line, versatile weapons WR/RB, and a STOUT Defense...that way, after Fitz...we have a perfect fit for a new rookie QB to succeed, or we become an attractive destination for a FA QB coming next year via release/trade.....on a team ready to compete RIGHT NOW...and every QB loves a good O-line....

With that being said...

I’m hoping we draft In our first several picks:

A Left tackle (will help our run game too)
An elite coverage safety (molden) or LB that’s excels in coverage (Collins)

I think we have made good improvements on offense, and Fitzmagic will help realize more of this offensive’s potentional compared to last year.

I’m all about continuing to complete this very good defense, a good LB/ safety will only help our d line thrive more...we need one elite athlete playing LB so we can capitalize on the havoc wrecked by our front 4[/quote]

Great 1st post! Welcome!!

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so a 6'0" 210lb WR lacks size? Ok. I have heard it all now.

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1280372]I can only imagine that is being said by someone I have on my ignore list. Terry Mac is clearly a number 1.[/quote]

He is now on my ignore list as well.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1280381]He is now on my ignore list as well.[/QUOTE]



He should be moved from ignore to banned by the higher ups, he is a troll and obviously needs to go to work or at least get some fresh air because his mile long posts are obviously cutting into his productivity time. Lol.

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[QUOTE=ThirdEyeSquad28;1280377]My take with what the football team should continue doing is building everything important around the QB (a STRONG o-line, versatile weapons WR/RB, and a STOUT Defense...that way, after Fitz...we have a perfect fit for a new rookie QB to succeed, or we become an attractive destination for a FA QB coming next year via release/trade.....on a team ready to compete RIGHT NOW...and every QB loves a good O-line....



With that being said...



I’m hoping we draft In our first several picks:



A Left tackle (will help our run game too)

An elite coverage safety (molden) or LB that’s excels in coverage (Collins)



I think we have made good improvements on offense, and Fitzmagic will help realize more of this offensive’s potentional compared to last year.



I’m all about continuing to complete this very good defense, a good LB/ safety will only help our d line thrive more...we need one elite athlete playing LB so we can capitalize on the havoc wrecked by our front 4[/QUOTE]



Yeah this is exactly where Im at. Welcome.

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[quote=punch it in;1280382]He should be moved from ignore to banned by the higher ups, he is a troll and obviously needs to go to work or at least get some fresh air because his mile long posts are obviously cutting into his productivity time. Lol.[/quote]

His mile long posts are cutting in to my productivity time as well, and I'm only reading them!

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WR is so much more than about size. Route running is extremely overlooked, it’s what makes players like Terry so effect and what limits other guys.

I think being able to make contested catches and not dropping routine catches...it’s what held back The Sims brothers this past year.

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Antonio Brown is 5-10 and about a buck 85 I don't think anyone questioned whether he was a true #1 or not based on his size.

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Anyone heard of the Smurfs? ;)

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Humpy to wear #19.



Also, Russel Okung is out there, we need to go get him. The Chiefs are kicking the tires.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1280404]Humpy to wear #19.



Also, Russel Okung is out there, we need to go get him. The Chiefs are kicking the tires.[/quote]

I don’t think so. Often injured and up there in years, pass for me.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1280404][B]Humpy[/B] to wear #19.



Also, Russel Okung is out there, we need to go get him. The Chiefs are kicking the tires.[/quote]

Please just no. You gonna refer to another guy as Humpy?

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^^ Seriously terrible

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Worst nickname since someone called Failbert Stainsworth

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[quote=Chico23231;1280434]Please just no. You gonna refer to another guy as Humpy?[/quote]

Yes.

And Okung is only 32.

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Remember back when some tried to make the argument that Okung was better than Trent? So much for that.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1280437]Yes.

And Okung is only 32.[/quote]

Is Deshaun Watson nickname Tuggy?

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[quote=Chico23231;1280445]Is Deshaun Watson nickname Tuggy?[/quote]

I gave him a nickname in another thread as well.




Humpy sounds no gayer than Fitzmagic.

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[quote=Chico23231;1280436]Worst nickname since someone called Failbert Stainsworth[/quote]

Failbert Stainsworth is a great nickname. I just laughed out loud at that one. It's perfect.

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[QUOTE=Brummie Brave;1280392]His mile long posts are cutting in to my productivity time as well, and I'm only reading them![/QUOTE]



LOL. Thats your problem. Haha. He is definitely keen on alot of stuff but a tad bit cocky and yeah we get the point after paragraph three. No need for the other 4 paragraphs.

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[QUOTE=Monkeydad;1280446]I gave him a nickname in another thread as well.









Humpy sounds no gayer than Fitzmagic.[/QUOTE]



Yes. It. Does. I mean Fitzmagic is pretty great imo. And I don’t know if Humpy is gay because lets face it a man can hump a man, woman, or a sheep. If by gay you meant corny then yeah Humpy is corny af.

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[quote=MTK;1280441]Remember back when some tried to make the argument that Okung was better than Trent? So much for that.[/quote]

Okung was scouted as the #1 LT coming in that draft, Shannon took Trent...the better athlete and ended up being the best player.

Okung made some pro bowls, but never reached the elite level of play as Trent...Trent also played thru a TON of injuries early in his career, Okung did not...he would sit out

Trent is still way better than Okung, and with a year off this late in his career, may ultimately prolong his career and high level of play

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[quote=Monkeydad;1280446]I gave him a nickname in another thread as well.




Humpy sounds no gayer than Fitzmagic.[/quote]

Actually it sounds straight ass dumb

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WFT signs WR/KR DeAndre Carter.

Looks like he returns punts/kicks more than he catches passes.

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Another sign Sims may be in camp but will have competition both as a WR and as a returner.

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Sims was garbage as a returner, his spot on the team is on very thin ice

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[quote=mtk;1280701]sims was garbage as a returner, his spot on the team is on very thin ice[/quote]

✂️✂️✂️

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1280370]Terry McLaurin isn't a #1 WR because of his size? Does that mean that Tyreek Hill isn't a #1 receiver too? Stefon Diggs, Amari Cooper, Justin Jefferson... They are all about the same size.

2000+ yards receiving and 11 TDs in two years without a clear #2, and six different starting QBs.

There's no question that TM is a #1 receiver.[/quote]

I'm building an ideal roster, and of course the real world is never ideal, I want the #1 WR I eventually pay almost $20M a year once his rookie contract expires to have it all: speed, quickness, size, route running, etc. I'm not hating on McL, but 1,000 yards a season in a 16 game season isn't mind blowing. He has been very solid, but not sure I would call him elite or a true #1 WR yet. Thus I put it at 1.5. He has been our most consistently productive offensive player since drafted, you have to resign him, but I can think of at least 20 WRs just as productive many who aren't #1s.

He's about 6 ft and runs a 4.3 40, would you trade him for a guy 6'4" runs a 4.5? Probably not, so perhaps you are right, and I'd say a #1.25WR. Interesting discussion anyway, the size vs. speed thing. In theory, speedsters rarer, and you want to take top off D. For years I've watched guys like Hill destroy Ds and wished we had such a player, and now we do.

Tyreek Hill only true smurf you listed. I don't love Diggs or Cooper. It is an interesting discussion, especially starting 2 or 3 small speed guys at WR, which we seem destined to try. I mean in theory you should just be able to torch people deep all day long, but this isn't the Raiders or Chargers Os of old, even in a pass happy league. it seems like the Os you see actually getting it done when it counts have some big WRs that can beat off the big zone corners and make the tough contested catches over middle or in end zone. The absence of size limits you, just like the absence of speed. There will also be some outliers, and we could argue how much you trade size for speed, but yeah, while there are outliers, a lack of size does prevent a great many WRs from being #1s.

What I think we all hope is that the O becomes consistently productive, especially in the 1st quarter. With more WRs, less balls for McL, but also increased aggregate O production, so you'd expect his production to increase, but perhaps not simplistically linearly. Whether he is a #1.25 or #1, I'm glad he is on our team, but I still think we have to have a big WR who can get it done at some point. It is really interesting to ask if you can put Samuels, Humphries, McL out at WR and go deep lots and lots and lots. One thing certain, if you do, you'd better be able to protect your QB on deep drop backs to give WRs time to get open deep. Perhaps a good argument for going LT early in draft.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1280380]so a 6'0" 210lb WR lacks size? Ok. I have heard it all now.[/quote]

Relative to what? You could argue he isn't small, but few people would call a 6 foot receiver big. These posts are hilarious.

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Rivera said in the presser [URL="https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/1377647100897427458"]the team has had no contact with Scherff regarding a long term solution[/URL] ... If he's gone next year, tagging him really was a poor move cap wise.

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[quote=Scalper;1280713]I'm building an ideal roster, and of course the real world is never ideal, I want the #1 WR I eventually pay almost $20M a year once his rookie contract expires to have it all: speed, quickness, size, route running, etc. I'm not [B]hating on McL, but 1,000 yards a season in a 16 game season isn't mind blowing[/B]. He has been very solid, but not sure I would call him elite or a true #1 WR yet. Thus I put it at 1.5. He has been our most consistently productive offensive player since drafted, you have to resign him, but I can think of at least 20 WRs just as productive many who aren't #1s.

He's about 6 ft and runs a 4.3 40, would you trade him for a guy 6'4" runs a 4.5? Probably not, so perhaps you are right, and I'd say a #1.25WR. Interesting discussion anyway, the size vs. speed thing. In theory, speedsters rarer, and you want to take top off D. For years I've watched guys like Hill destroy Ds and wished we had such a player, and now we do.

Tyreek Hill only true smurf you listed. I don't love Diggs or Cooper. It is an interesting discussion, especially starting 2 or 3 small speed guys at WR, which we seem destined to try. I mean in theory you should just be able to torch people deep all day long, but this isn't the Raiders or Chargers Os of old, even in a pass happy league. it seems like the Os you see actually getting it done when it counts have some big WRs that can beat off the big zone corners and make the tough contested catches over middle or in end zone. The absence of size limits you, just like the absence of speed. There will also be some outliers, and we could argue how much you trade size for speed, but yeah, while there are outliers, a lack of size does prevent a great many WRs from being #1s.

What I think we all hope is that the O becomes consistently productive, especially in the 1st quarter. With more WRs, less balls for McL, but also increased aggregate O production, so you'd expect his production to increase, but perhaps not simplistically linearly. Whether he is a #1.25 or #1, I'm glad he is on our team, but I still think we have to have a big WR who can get it done at some point. It is really interesting to ask if you can put Samuels, Humphries, McL out at WR and go deep lots and lots and lots. One thing certain, if you do, you'd better be able to protect your QB on deep drop backs to give WRs time to get open deep. Perhaps a good argument for going LT early in draft.[/quote]

Actually if you consider who was throwing the ball to him it was practically a HOF season

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Washington Football Team
Multiple execs think Washington is on track to win the NFC East again after what appeared to be a solid free agency from a personnel standpoint. A year or two ago, who would have thought that possible for a team that targeted Ryan Fitzpatrick as its starting quarterback?

“Fitz gives them a legitimate chance,” an evaluator said. “He is a legitimate starter who will do on offense what the defensive end (Chase Young) does for them on defense from a leadership standpoint. That’s just the type of impact he has on a team when he’s the guy. They are getting someone who comes in and yells in your face and gets everyone amped. When have they had that guy?”

Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins and Robert Griffin III were not that guy from a temperament standpoint. Few quarterbacks are, and probably for good reason. But for a Washington team that is strongest on defense, Fitzpatrick could be an offensive leader to rally around, provided he does not revert to past turnover-prone ways.

“Curtis Samuel at $11.5 million is a good value for a solid second receiver, gadget guy,” an exec said. “Pairing him with his old college teammate (Terry McLaurin) gives them a formidable receiving corps. They have a lot more weapons than Fitzpatrick had in Miami. On defense, William Jackson is slightly better than Ronald Darby at corner, but also more expensive. We will see if they can get a quarterback for the future, but they are better and they are going to be a problem in the NFC East.”

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1280750]Washington Football Team
Multiple execs think Washington is on track to win the NFC East again after what appeared to be a solid free agency from a personnel standpoint. A year or two ago, who would have thought that possible for a team that targeted Ryan Fitzpatrick as its starting quarterback?

“Fitz gives them a legitimate chance,” an evaluator said. “He is a legitimate starter who will do on offense what the defensive end (Chase Young) does for them on defense from a leadership standpoint. That’s just the type of impact he has on a team when he’s the guy. They are getting someone who comes in and yells in your face and gets everyone amped. When have they had that guy?”

Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins and Robert Griffin III were not that guy from a temperament standpoint. Few quarterbacks are, and probably for good reason. But for a Washington team that is strongest on defense, Fitzpatrick could be an offensive leader to rally around, provided he does not revert to past turnover-prone ways.

“Curtis Samuel at $11.5 million is a good value for a solid second receiver, gadget guy,” an exec said. “Pairing him with his old college teammate (Terry McLaurin) gives them a formidable receiving corps. They have a lot more weapons than Fitzpatrick had in Miami. On defense, William Jackson is slightly better than Ronald Darby at corner, but also more expensive. We will see if they can get a quarterback for the future, but they are better and they are going to be a problem in the NFC East.”[/quote]

So amped for this season, I think the last time I was this excited for a season was RGIII's rookie year.

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Scalper your take lacks consideration of the context within which McLaurin plays. The QB play he’s gotten the last two season has been bottom five in the NFL by any measure, advanced or otherwise. And he has done it with very little help around him with respect to other skill position players drawing the attention of the defense.

When we got Fitz, Chad Johnson and Mike Tannenbaum both commented on how this puts Terry on a rocket trajectory to the top. He gets open better than almost any WR out there, that’s what separates him as a true number one. Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, these weren’t the biggest receivers either, but they’re in the HOF because they got open better than anybody.

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Per Hogsheaven, Keim on his podcast said that WFT offered Scherff a contract that would have made him a highest paid guard and Scherff turned it down. While it's possible Scherff wants to stay with the team but wanted a higher amount of guaranteed money, but at this point I think I would try to see if anyone would trade for him.

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[quote=GridIron26;1280828]Per Hogsheaven, Keim on his podcast said that WFT offered Scherff a contract that would have made him a highest paid guard and Scherff turned it down. While it's possible Scherff wants to stay with the team but wanted a higher amount of guaranteed money, but at this point I think I would try to see if anyone would trade for him.[/quote]

Boom outta here. Pull the tag off him or trade him now

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He signed the tag. Don't think it can be rescinded now.

If that's the case, no one is going to trade for him. He'll play for the $18M and cash in somewhere else next year. The KC model.

At least we have a really good RG for one more year.

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[quote=GridIron26;1280828]Per Hogsheaven, Keim on his podcast said that WFT offered Scherff a contract that would have made him a highest paid guard and Scherff turned it down. While it's possible Scherff wants to stay with the team but wanted a higher amount of guaranteed money, but at this point I think I would try to see if anyone would trade for him.[/quote]

If that offer was made before the tag... I really don't get tagging him... Unless it's a clear attempt at trading him to get some sort of value back.
Tagging him if you know your chances of signing him long term makes very little sense IMO.

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There is no excuse to turn down highest paid guard in the league. Eff him

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1280838]He signed the tag. Don't think it can be rescinded now.

If that's the case, no one is going to trade for him. He'll play for the $18M and cash in somewhere else next year. The KC model.

At least we have a really good RG for one more year.[/QUOTE]


And he will have every incentive to play really, really well this season.


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