Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=warriorzpath;1163034]Well that's where Bucky Brooks's "trailer" comment comes into play. His production is elevated by others.[/quote]

It is obvious to anyone, Kirk was carried by the running game and the defense.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=MTK;1163035]I still don't see it. If you put Smith in this offense do you think he would put up the same numbers? I don't.[/quote]

or the flip side, if you put KC in that game yesterday, does he hit the passes Smith missed. There were several passes, and moments that KC would have made, and KC would have won, probably going away the way KC's D played on their half of the field.

Comparing Alex Smith and KC at this point is fairly ludicrous.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1163037]or the flip side, if you put KC in that game yesterday, does he hit the passes Smith missed. There were several passes, and moments that KC would have made, and KC would have won, probably going away the way KC's D played on their half of the field.



Comparing Alex Smith and KC at this point is fairly ludicrous.[/QUOTE]



What's so ridiculous about it? Smith has also produced enough to get them to this point. To being a legit championship contender.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1163036]It is obvious to anyone, Kirk was carried by the running game and the defense.[/QUOTE]



Save the snarky comments for rest of the fanboys. This guy did this for a living and also played for years.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=warriorzpath;1163042]What's so ridiculous about it? Smith has also produced enough to get them to this point. To being a legit championship contender.[/quote]

Kansas offense:

PASS YDS
233.8
[B](19th)[/B]

Kansas defense:
PTS
19.4
[B](7th)[/B]

Washington offense:

PASS YDS
297.4
[B](2nd)[/B]

Washington Defense:
PTS
23.9
[B](19th)[/B]


It's ludicrous to think Smith is why Kansas City was in the playoffs. Kansas made the playoffs on the back of a defense that stopped Pittsburgh on six separate possessions. The Skins almost made the playoffs despite a defense that gave up 38 to that same Pittsburgh team.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1163044]Kansas offense:



PASS YDS

233.8

[B](19th)[/B]



Kansas defense:

PTS

19.4

[B](7th)[/B]



Washington offense:



PASS YDS

297.4

[B](2nd)[/B]



Washington Defense:

PTS

23.9

[B](19th)[/B]





It's ludicrous to think Smith is why Kansas City was in the playoffs. Kansas made the playoffs on the back of a defense that stopped Pittsburgh on six separate possessions. The Skins almost made the playoffs despite a defense that gave up 38 to that same Pittsburgh team.[/QUOTE]



I didn't say that Smith was the reason the Chiefs were in the playoffs. On the contrary- I even said that the Chiefs were probably the most complete team in the playoffs.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=warriorzpath;1163046]I didn't say that Smith was the reason the Chiefs were in the playoffs. On the contrary- I even said that the Chiefs were probably the most complete team in the playoffs.[/quote]

Ok, then I simply revert to my first point, Comparing KC to Smith at this point is ludicrous. You say the Chiefs are the most complete team, but Smith had worse numbers than KC had. Seems like by definition KC is better, and in fact, it's probably not even close.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1163048]Ok, then I simply revert to my first point, Comparing KC to Smith at this point is ludicrous. You say the Chiefs are the most complete team, but Smith had worse numbers than KC had. Seems like by definition KC is better, and in fact, it's probably not even close.[/QUOTE]



Just to save time and multiple reposts. Please just read my posts just a page before this.

Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

It might make more sense and save me from being so redundant like so many have complained about.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

This is a fantasy site, but about midway down the page they chart game performance of Cousins, and of Smith.
[url=http://edraft.com/nfl/fantasy-football/tools/start-sit/27338/alex-smith-vs-kirk-cousins/]Alex Smith vs Kirk Cousins[/url]

Cousins graph is consistently above the league average, and nears the peak multiple times while Smith's graph is mostly barely average to well below average.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1163052]This is a fantasy site, but about midway down the page they chart game performance of Cousins, and of Smith.

[url=http://edraft.com/nfl/fantasy-football/tools/start-sit/27338/alex-smith-vs-kirk-cousins/]Alex Smith vs Kirk Cousins[/url]



Cousins graph is consistently above the league average, and nears the peak multiple times while Smith's graph is mostly barely average to well below average.[/QUOTE]



Did you read my Bucky Brooks posts?

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=warriorzpath;1163050]Just to save time and multiple reposts. Please just read my posts just a page before this.[/quote]

Schneed clearly refuted your concept of him as a game manager, and there is no way Alex Smith is KC's ceiling, because KC has already clearly exceeded Smith's output. So you have literally no point to the posts a page before, or this one. You undervalue what KC does on the football field by comparing him to Smith, or by looking at him as a game manager, when neither of those comparisons are in any way accurate.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=warriorzpath;1163053]Did you read my Bucky Brooks posts?[/quote]

Was it after Question Number 3?

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=Schneed10;1163026]And of course the variable in the equation that we can't account for is what is his contract demand?

I think it's worth it to sign him to a contract that hitches our wagon to him for 2 or 3 years. He's shown enough to warrant a few more years of commitment to find out if he can keep growing.

But if his demands include so much guaranteed money that we'd be committing for 4+ years before we'd be able to escape with cap relief, or if he's asking to take up just too darn much of the cap, then I'm good with franchising him.

And through all of it, whether we franchise him or whether we sign him, I would not stop drafting QBs. I wouldn't reach, and I wouldn't necessarily spend a 1st rounder. But if I'm McCloughan and I think I've got a Russell Wilson with my 3rd rounder, then I'm jumping on it.

Kirk might get even better and become a top notch QB. But if he's not I want to have options sooner rather than later.[/quote]

Based on everything I've seen, it seems like 23 million is the floor of what he'll agree to. And if he has all the momentum people say he does he can probably get at least 4 years worth of guaranteed money. It's gonna be interesting how it all works out. No matter what happens there is gonna be some agreement and some disagreement here.

I was thinking mid round pick myself if he's franchised again. If he is franchised again, we have to keep McCoy, Sudfeld won't be on the team if a QB gets picked. I'm curious to know the Skins opinions about him after a year of coaching.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1163055]Was it after Question Number 3?[/QUOTE]



Was Question # 3 - is CRedskinsRule dumb or dumber than Mooby?

My answer is - I don't know.