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Haven't seen anyone post this, but Thrash got a fracture on Saturday. They say he may be able to practice with a splint, but anyone seriously see him playing next week?

Likely Jacobs starts and Farris moves up to #3. :frusty:

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I believe you are mistaken. Cooley is WR2, and Sellers WR3.

Thrash's only contribution is to stand on the field near the sideline and watch the passes Brunell throws away sail past his head.

Seriously, Thrash is probably the most useless guy on the field. At least guys like Farris and Jacobs have something to play for.

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i disagree, taylor jacobs is definitley more usless than thrash....we gave him a shot, wait lemme reword that ...we gave him SHOTS hes jst soo useless...he cannot get open!....injury or no injury, he is not worth the roster space....at least thrash can play special teams....

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[QUOTE=dgack].......Thrash's only contribution is to stand on the field near the sideline and watch the passes Brunell throws away sail past his head.

Seriously, Thrash is probably the most useless guy on the field. At least guys like Farris and Jacobs have something to play for.[/QUOTE]

????????????? :party-smi What are you smokin?

In the last Seattle game 9/23/05 earlier this year, Thrash had 10 receptions for 165 yards and 2 TD's. Thrash in this one game had more production than Farris and Jacobs combined for their entire careers. Plus Thrash is one of our best Special Teams player. Why are you putting down Thrash?

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that is why we need a dominant boarder line #1/#2 to compliment moss.

for now I say put in Antonio brown in more. Anyone?? Anyone?? yeah that bridge is burned. No i demand Antonio get some playing time at WR

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Portis, Sellers, and Royal are basically the third, fourth, and fifth wide receivers behind Moss and Cooley.

I mean really, they might as well line up in 3 TE formations all the time. Those guys have a better chance at getting open and catching a pass than Thrash and Jacobs.

Was David Patten placed on IR, or is there a chance he'll be able to play at some point?

When this season is over, expect Jacobs to be out of the NFL, and Thrash relegated to special teams only. He's simply not a receiving threat in the NFL.

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Cooley has fumbled the ball more than a few times at very critical moments this year. I like Cooley alot, but he needs to hang on to the ball.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]Cooley has fumbled the ball more than a few at very critical moments in games this year. I like Cooley alot, but he needs to hang on to the ball.[/QUOTE]


That's because he's usually bowling over 5 or 6 defenders on his way to trampling for another 5 yards. He covers by the book when he catches, lowers his head, and rolls. You don't see him one-arming it.

His problem is that he doesn't go down easy enough. And if that's your biggest problem, I can deal with it!

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[QUOTE=dgack]That's because he's usually bowling over 5 or 6 defenders on his way to trampling for another 5 yards. He covers by the book when he catches, lowers his head, and rolls. You don't see him one-arming it.

His problem is that he doesn't go down easy enough. And if that's your biggest problem, I can deal with it![/QUOTE]


You think fumbles are ok?
I can't deal with fumbles for just five extra yards. What good are those five extra yards if we lose possesion of the ball?
Portis handles tha ball much more than cooley and runs just as tough as cooley and he does not fumble as much.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]????????????? :party-smi What are you smokin?

In the last Seattle game 9/23/05 earlier this year, Thrash had 10 receptions for 165 yards and 2 TD's. Thrash in this one game had more production than Farris and Jacobs combined for their entire careers. Plus Thrash is one of our best Special Teams player. Why are you putting down Thrash?[/QUOTE]

What the heck are you talking about? The Redskins didn't play a game on 9.23.05. The first Seattle game was 10/2 and Thrash really took it to the house alright, 2 catches for 30 yards.

This guy is terrible. He's was an average 600 yard a year guy at the peak of his power, who's caught ONE TD in three years.

Keep him on special teams, that's fine. But I'd rather have a fired up young guy with nothing to lose who could have a breakout game, than an old, predictable, waste of a roster slot who is guaranteed to do nothing but put the defense to sleep.

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[QUOTE=dgack]What the heck are you talking about? The Redskins didn't play a game on 9.23.05. The first Seattle game was 10/2 and Thrash really took it to the house alright, 2 catches for 30 yards.

This guy is terrible. He's was an average 600 yard a year guy at the peak of his power, who's caught ONE TD in three years.

Keep him on special teams, that's fine. But I'd rather have a fired up young guy with nothing to lose who could have a breakout game, than an old, predictable, waste of a roster slot who is guaranteed to do nothing but put the defense to sleep.[/QUOTE]

Those are pretty harsh words about Thrash, but you're exactly right. He's a special teamer and that's it.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]You think fumbles are ok?
I can't deal with fumbles for just five extra yards. What good are those five extra yards if we lose possesion of the ball?
Portis handles tha ball much more than cooley and runs just as tough as cooley and he does not fumble as much.[/QUOTE]

No, I don't think fumbles are OK. But I don't think anybody fights harder after the catch than Cooley does, and I'm saying, watch his technique when he runs with the ball, he tucks that ball and protects it.

Saying Portis doesn't fumble as much is completely irrelevant, since the hits he takes are 9/10 times running into a wall of guys at the line. Catching and running downfield is a completely different type of ball protection game.

Not to mention, half of the balls Cooley catches are total garbage throws from Brunell as the pocket is collapsing, and more often than not, Cooley turns a busted play into a first down.

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Yeah Thrash in all honestly is pointless in being out there. He doesn't do anything. So I could care less if he plays or not. Cause the next guy will be doing the same thing he was. Standing there and watching.

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I would think that Sean Taylor will get more reps on the offense this week. Would like to see him get a couple of throws his way (if he plays). I know that said he wont get suspended but I am a little concerned about it.

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He is a very shifty WR who has picked up some important first downs on a few occasions. Can we say that for Taylor Jacobs or anyone else who plays more than thrash?

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[QUOTE=Bushead]He is a very shifty WR who has picked up some important first downs on a few occasions. Can we say that for Taylor Jacobs or anyone else who plays more than thrash?[/QUOTE]

You're saying Thrash is shifty? LMFAO!

As for the idea he's a great possession receiver, he's contributed a whopping TEN first down catches this year.

By comparison, Cooley has caught 44 first down balls this year. Even Sellers, who is rarely used outside the redzone, has 9. Robert Royal has EIGHT for crying out loud!

The thing about guys like Jacobs and Farris is, they haven't really had the chance to play long enough to really do anything. They're B-grade receivers AT BEST, but Thrash is a C+ on a good day. Guys like Jacobs and Farris are probably gone next season anyway, so they've got all the motivation in the world to go out there and have a Timmy Smith type of game.

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Gibbs and co get to wathc these guys practice and play all year long. If Taylor Jacobs can't beat out Thrash, that does not speak well of his play.

Thrash is a gamer--a vet 3rd WR who doesn't make mistakes, and who plays well on specials. No one is claiming he's all-pro. Why the hate? None of our WRs other than Santana have done ANYTHING this year.

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While I think that Brunell needs to carry the blame for his INT yesterday, something tells me that had it been Thrash instead of Jacobs, JT might have made a stronger effort to keep the ball from being intercepted.

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[QUOTE=JWsleep]Gibbs and co get to wathc these guys practice and play all year long. If Taylor Jacobs can't beat out Thrash, that does not speak well of his play.

Thrash is a gamer--a vet 3rd WR who doesn't make mistakes, and who plays well on specials. No one is claiming he's all-pro. Why the hate? None of our WRs other than Santana have done ANYTHING this year.[/QUOTE]

Two things:

1) Gibbs was initially very down on Betts when he took over. It took a LONG TIME for him to realize Ladell was capable of being reliable.

2) With WR's it's all about the timing and working out with the QB. I don't go to practices, but I just have a hard time believing that Jacobs gets a lot of reps with the first team offense.

3) That INT last game was a really, really good play by the DB, and if he doesn't make that play, I'd say Jacobs makes a great catch and people start thinking, "hey, that kid might have something!"

Jacobs has not made the most out of his extremely limited opportunities, no doubt. But we haven't had anybody lined up across from Santana all year, and Thrash doesn't scare anybody. All I'm saying is, this could be the end of the line for us. Every game is for all the marbles. Give the kid a chance.

He certainly has not achieved anything remotely close to his draft location, that's for sure. But talentwise, he's absolutely got the potential to be better than a guy like Thrash, by a humongous margin.

He runs a 4.4 40 and went for 1100 and 8 in college during his senior year for crying out loud.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]While I think that Brunell needs to carry the blame for his INT yesterday, something tells me that had it been Thrash instead of Jacobs, JT might have made a stronger effort to keep the ball from being intercepted.[/QUOTE]


Well, he wouldn't have intercepted it, that's true. The ball would have deflected off Thrash's forcefield of uncatchability and sailed out of bounds.

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[QUOTE=dgack]You're saying Thrash is shifty? LMFAO!

As for the idea he's a great possession receiver, he's contributed a whopping TEN first down catches this year.

By comparison, Cooley has caught 44 first down balls this year. Even Sellers, who is rarely used outside the redzone, has 9. Robert Royal has EIGHT for crying out loud!

The thing about guys like Jacobs and Farris is, they haven't really had the chance to play long enough to really do anything. They're B-grade receivers AT BEST, but Thrash is a C+ on a good day. Guys like Jacobs and Farris are probably gone next season anyway, so they've got all the motivation in the world to go out there and have a Timmy Smith type of game.[/QUOTE]

WHAT?!?!...You are rating Jacobs and Farris over Trash??? You can not say anything about Farris, just like you said, he hasnt played, enough so how can you judge him to be a B-?? By the way if did not see the Philly game, Trash had a HUGE catch, to keep a drive going, and agaisnt Seattle those catches were late in the game on third downs. Trash does all the dirty work no one sees, and then people hate on him. He is all every play in special teams, this and last year, he put many teams inside the 10 on punt coverage. Jacobs even though he has been injuried alot, has had many chances during this season. He is no where near Trash on anyday. If have been watching Skins games, Trash's effort on all plays, has really helped us win several games, the last two seasons. And what do you mean he is JUST a special teams player. If you have not noticed, special teams wins many games in the NFL. I am not saying Trash is better than Cooley, Sellers or Royal, I am just saying he is much, much better than you think.

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[QUOTE=dgack]Two things:

1) Gibbs was initially very down on Betts when he took over. It took a LONG TIME for him to realize Ladell was capable of being reliable.

2) With WR's it's all about the timing and working out with the QB. I don't go to practices, but I just have a hard time believing that Jacobs gets a lot of reps with the first team offense.

3) That INT last game was a really, really good play by the DB, and if he doesn't make that play, I'd say Jacobs makes a great catch and people start thinking, "hey, that kid might have something!"

Jacobs has not made the most out of his extremely limited opportunities, no doubt. But we haven't had anybody lined up across from Santana all year, and Thrash doesn't scare anybody. All I'm saying is, this could be the end of the line for us. Every game is for all the marbles. Give the kid a chance.

He certainly has not achieved anything remotely close to his draft location, that's for sure. But talentwise, he's absolutely got the potential to be better than a guy like Thrash, by a humongous margin.

He runs a 4.4 40 and went for 1100 and 8 in college during his senior year for crying out loud.[/QUOTE]

Like you say every game is for all the marbles, so with that in mind is now really the time to be giving Jacobs yet another chance? He has to be out there because we have no choice. And he does have the talent and potential to be better than Thrash, but I think right now I'd rather depend on Thrash than Jacobs. And right now, we need someone we can depend on. Really wish David Patten was healthy right now.

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I'm saying, Trash is exactly what we need as a return guy. Surehanded and doesn't cough it up.

I never see him throwing blocks, but maybe he's good at blocking, I don't know.

But what I do know is the guy is absolutely NO threat to anybody on the receiving end of things. Stats don't lie, and one or two games where he caught one pass for a drive-saving first down doesn't mean he's any good.

As for Jacobs, I dont have any agenda there other than I happen to know his collegiate numbers were decent and I have a hard time believing the guy is as bad as he appears to be. I just don't think he's getting enough PT to find out.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]but I think right now I'd rather depend on Thrash than Jacobs. And right now, we need someone we can depend on. [/QUOTE]

I guess for me it comes down to, do you really think Trash is dependable? As a return man, I'd absolutely rely on him over Antonio Brown (why on Earth did we give HIM a second chance). But Thrash couldn't beat out Todd Pinkston when they were both in Philly for Pete's sake.

The ONLY thing the guy brings to the table is the fact that he's hung around a long time and is therefore a "veteran". But he's never won a ring, to my knowledge isn't providing leadership in the locker-room or on the field.

Given that, I just don't see what he brings to the table as a receiver that's better than the other guys who havent had much of a chance to show what they've got.

Thrash has had nine years. None of them particularly great, either.

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I don't care for the Thrash-trashing bit. He's a team player who excels on special teams and is a good man to have on the team. He works hard and while he doesn't make a lot of catches, a player's value doesn't always translate into stats.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I don't care for the Thrash-trashing bit. He's a team player who excels on special teams and is a good man to have on the team. He works hard and while he doesn't make a lot of catches, a player's value doesn't always translate into stats.[/QUOTE]

*shrug*.

I don't consider it trashing. I can't think of a single James Thrash moment where he saved the day, so I went to his stats, and not surprisingly they seem to back up my claim that he's fairly mediocre.

I don't really care one way or the other; don't confuse my argument to let the youngsters play with the kind of acrid, bitter hating that the Taylor-haters, Brunell-haters and Lavar haters are spittin'... I just think Thrash is "meh".

I'm really quite surprised so many people here like the guy, though. Although I suppose I shouldn't be so shocked; some of you despise Taylor for his "character" despite the fact that he's won games by himself. I guess Thrash is a real stand-up guy, and that's the reason he's liked.

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[QUOTE=dgack]*shrug*.

I don't consider it trashing. I can't think of a single James Thrash moment where he saved the day, so I went to his stats, and not surprisingly they seem to back up my claim that he's fairly mediocre.

I don't really care one way or the other; don't confuse my argument to let the youngsters play with the kind of acrid, bitter hating that the Taylor-haters, Brunell-haters and Lavar haters are spittin'... I just think Thrash is "meh".

I'm really quite surprised so many people here like the guy, though. Although I suppose I shouldn't be so shocked; some of you despise Taylor for his "character" despite the fact that he's won games by himself. I guess Thrash is a real stand-up guy, and that's the reason he's liked.[/QUOTE]
Of course Thrash is a standup guy, but thats not why we like him. Ramseyfan is right, he does alot of special teams stuff, that goes unnoticed all the time, all this does not get recorded in the stat book. And I think people are upset about ST's character bc he is such a great player and because he has won games for us, if it was some other person on the team we probably would not care as much. It is more of a disappointment, because we all know how amazing he is.

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You guys are crazy. Thrash is probably our best special teamer next to Sellars.The reason Protis can get long runs is great downfeild blocking by Thrash and Colley. Thrash well be missed.

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For the ninetieth time, I'm not taking issue with his special teams play, just his lack of contribution at WR.

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[QUOTE=dgack]For the ninetieth time, I'm not taking issue with his special teams play, just his lack of contribution at WR.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone can disagree with your point about his disappointing play at the wide receiver position. I definately thought he would be able to step in and fill in for Patten. I was simply defending him because of his special teams play and character. So, no differences here.

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I think it should be noted that Thrash was an undrafted free agent out of Missouri Southern who caught on with the Skins with special teams play and hard work in 1997. I thought it was a big mistake when he was let go to Philly. My point is that he (along with Ray Brown, Mike Sellers, and John Jansen) has been around a while and proven his worth beyond this year's stats. I believe if the Redskins made more of an effort to get him the ball he would make plays. No one is going to convince me that Jacobs or Farris or Brown would do better.

5 bonus points to anyone who came name another N.F.L. player from MSSU.

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[QUOTE=70Chip]I think it should be noted that Thrash was an undrafted free agent out of Missouri Southern who caught on with the Skins with special teams play and hard work in 1997. I thought it was a big mistake when he was let go to Philly. My point is that he (along with Ray Brown, Mike Sellers, and John Jansen) has been around a while and proven his worth beyond this year's stats. I believe if the Redskins made more of an effort to get him the ball he would make plays. No one is going to convince me that Jacobs or Farris or Brown would do better.

5 bonus points to anyone who came name another N.F.L. player from MSSU.[/QUOTE]

Jerry Rice, right?

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[QUOTE=70Chip]My point is that he (along with Ray Brown, Mike Sellers, and John Jansen) has been around a while and proven his worth beyond this year's stats. I believe if the Redskins made more of an effort to get him the ball he would make plays.
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I guess all I'm saying is, he's been a starter long enough that you'd think he would have made an impact by now, if he was capable. Even in Philly during his "prime", his best year was ~800 yards, and his normal average is in the ~600 range.

Maybe he's a better receiver in another offense, I don't know. But he's never in the mix whenever Santana is being covered, that's for sure.

[QUOTE=70Chip]
No one is going to convince me that Jacobs or Farris or Brown would do better.[/QUOTE]

We'll never know, because those guys will never see a fraction of the PT that Thrash has gotten. Edit: Brown has on special teams, and has blown it big time. Jacobs is a burner too, but they haven't put him on return duty which surprises me.

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Rod Smith

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Jacobs doesnt get it. Playing WR is about running/selling routes. he thinks its about running past guys. everyone can run in the NFL(except walt harris).

Thrash is a solid #3. He is respectable. but he can't be a #2.

I can't complain about farris since he is a late addition.

Antonio Brown needs to play WR. His speed alone with draw attention of the safeties.

Cooley needs to hold onto the ball. The excuse "well he fights hard..." works for the first or second fumble but he has fumbled alot more than that. thank god we havent lost all of them. He cant fumble anymore. i dont care how hard it looks like he is playing, he cant fumble. it's funny how somepeople make excuse for the guy but not jimoh who was beaten on two plays 3 seasons ago.

If we are going to beat Seattle, Jacobs is going to have to step up. They can match up with moss and teams have shown how to stop cooley. jacobs is going to have to beat his guy.

God i hope patten isnt back next near...

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Rod Smith[/QUOTE]
the dude owns practically every single receiving record of that school and has had an incredibly underrated pro career.