Monk and Grimm are HOF finalists
 

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OK - I added that Grimm is a finalist, but it didn't update the title of the thread. Maybe a moderator can do that for me?

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Great News for Redskin fans!

My crusade to get Monk enshrined may end soon - I look forward to finding a life.

Interesting that Lofton (another WR who is spoken in the same breath as a WR who deserves to get in) did not make the cut this time.

My hope is that Irvin's recent legal issues, while not disqualifying him from induction, will convince voters to lay off him this year - clearing the way for #81.

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Lenny P said a few weeks ago he thinks Irvin's latest "issues" most definitely will keep him out of the HOF discussion this year. He said it might not be the right thing, but many voters won't be able to overlook his off the field problems.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Lenny P said a few weeks ago he thinks Irvin's latest "issues" most definitely will keep him out of the HOF discussion this year. He said it might not be the right thing, but many voters won't be able to overlook his off the field problems.[/QUOTE]i have also heard on the other hand that off field stuff is not suppose to be a factor but its hard to figure that people will not have that in the back of their minds.

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Funny how off field stuff has kept Monk out basically and maybe now the same thing to another guy will help him. His less than out-goingness with the media when he played has been his biggest hurdle.

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Aikman and White are automatics. The only other inevitable on the list is Irvin who has his issues. To me, if they pass over both Grimm and Monk it would have to be a willful, anti-Redskins act. The other names on the list are not that compelling.

LC Greenwood was a good player but the Steelers are not the only team to win 4 Super Bowls. Greenwood is the equivilant of Keena Turner for the 49ers. The press gets way too carried away with those Steeler teams. Next year I expect them to nominate Terry Hanratty.

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[QUOTE=70Chip]Aikman and White are automatics. The only other inevitable on the list is Irvin who has his issues. To me, if they pass over both Grimm and Monk it would have to be a willful, anti-Redskins act. The other names on the list are not that compelling.

LC Greenwood was a good player but the Steelers are not the only team to win 4 Super Bowls. Greenwood is the equivilant of Keena Turner for the 49ers. The press gets way too carried away with those Steeler teams. Next year I expect them to nominate Terry Hanratty.[/QUOTE]


That's funny....Terry Hanratty! He's way back in the day, I don't even remember him except through videos.

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I wish I was wrong,and I hope I'm wrong,but i dont think Monk will make it now and maybe not ever,listening to my local nfl beat writer John mclain,who is on the hall of fame voting committee,he said theres not that many people backing monk,he says monk wasnt even the best reciever on the team,Clark was,blah,blah,blah,and mclain's wife is a huge skin fan and even she cant get him to vote Monk in,I dont know whats wrong with these sportswriters that dont think Monk belongs in the Hall

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I've given up on HOF!!! It's as bad as probowl anymore.....makes me sick to stomach that Monk not in yet........TIRED TIRED TIRED of this crap!

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YOu know, i'd love for Monk and Grimm to get in. But the fact is, sportswriters won't give him the recognition he deserves. You know Fritz Pollard? The guy played in like the 1920's, but he just got inducted last year. So basically i feel like the same thing is gonna happen to Monk, once everyone's forgotten about him he'll make it in.

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It's a joke that there both not in allready. I sure hope it happens. But I'm not going to hold my breath.

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[QUOTE=44deisel44]I've given up on HOF!!! It's as bad as probowl anymore.....makes me sick to stomach that Monk not in yet........TIRED TIRED TIRED of this crap![/QUOTE]
calm down they'll get it together .

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I pray for both Monk and Grimm. It is absurd that Monk is not in already. We've already discussed this many times... I just hope Monk gets in this year. Such a class guy compared to a guy like Michael Irvin. Just ludicrous. GO MONK!

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I'm on record here saying that Art Monk's performance on the field earned him a place in the HoF.

Now I would like for all of the people who think that Art Monk is the poster child for getting screwed over by jealous sportswriters to go and look up Monk's stats and Andre Reed's stats. After you look at them side-by-side, tell me why Reed isn't ALSO in the HoF as soon as Monk gets there? They are pretty much equivalent in terms of career numbers. And by the way, why isn't there a drumbeat about Reed's nomination or lack thereof in the national press?

The football HoF voting process leaves much to be desired - - as does the voting process for the baseball HoF. But for this year's class Reggie White should be a unanimous selection - he was the best defensive lineman in the NFL for the better part of a decade - and Troy Aikman should be close to unanimous. After that, it will be a crap shoot for the other slots.

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]I'm on record here saying that Art Monk's performance on the field earned him a place in the HoF.

Now I would like for all of the people who think that Art Monk is the poster child for getting screwed over by jealous sportswriters to go and look up Monk's stats and Andre Reed's stats. After you look at them side-by-side, tell me why Reed isn't ALSO in the HoF as soon as Monk gets there? They are pretty much equivalent in terms of career numbers. And by the way, why isn't there a drumbeat about Reed's nomination or lack thereof in the national press?[/QUOTE]

Timing, perhaps. Monk put up incredible stats, but he retired just as a group of WR were on track to do even better. I think the 5 year wait hurt him (he was eligible in 2000?), because he had already dropped to at least 3rd on the all-time list by then (Rice and Carter), I believe. Reed was in that pack. I'm not sure why Reed hasn't got any press. Was this his first or second year of eligibility?

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As a newcomer to this site, I haven't had a chance to pontificate indignantly about the fact that Art Monk is not in the hall. Here goes:

I think the problem for both Monk and Reed (Reid)? is that they were good people. I think that the press actually prefers insufferable, moronic, buffoons because [i]that[/i] story writes itself. When you write about Monk you actually have to write about football. There's no jewelry, drugs, hookers, or endzone dances to pad the copy. No rap video. No assaults on photogs, which are always good for at least one segment on The Sports Reporters. That's the segment where Mike Lupica pretends he wishes that the Micheal Irvins of the world were more like the Art Monks, when its really the opposite.

Nope. A Monk story is all about hard work, discipline, and personal accountability. I suppose its not all their fault, though. We as consumers are far more interested in Sean Taylor's spitting incident than we are in Marcus Washington's standout season.

Art Monk has a family. He goes to church. He would never say anything unkind about his teammates or his opponents for that matter. He had a famous jazz musician Uncle, Thelonius, which you would think would have earned at least one five minute segment on NFL Films. Steve Sabel seems just about that hip, you dig. No such luck.

I would hope that the writers would think about rewarding a decent human being this time. They will probably select Micheal Irvin instead.

(In re-reading this I sound like an insufferable old-fogey, but I will post it anyway. Enjoy.)