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[font=verdana][size=2]Aaron Kampman[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Anthony Weaver[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Antonio Cochran[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Antwan Lake[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Brandon Green [/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Carl Powell[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Carlos Hall[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Cory Redding [/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Darren Howard[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Demetric Evans[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]DeQuincy Scott[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Jacques Cesaire[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Jared DeVries[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Jarret Johnson [/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Jimmy Wilkerson[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Joe Tafoya[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]John Abraham[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Juqua Thomas[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Kalimba Edwards[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Kemp Rasmussen[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Kenny King[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Kenny Peterson [/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Kimo von Oelhoffen[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Kyle Vanden Bosch[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Lance Johnstone[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Marcellus Wiley[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Marco Coleman[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]N.D. Kalu[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Orpheus Roye[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Raheem Brock[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]R-Kal Truluck[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Robert Mathis [/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Rodney Bailey[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Ross Kolodziej[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Ryan Denney[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Travis Hall[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Tyoka Jackson[/size][/font]
[font=verdana][size=2]Willie Whitehead[/size][/font]




I wouldnt mind getting Kalu back or having Mathis from the colts.

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Kalu is done and that rookie Cole replaced him. Mathis is going to want a truckload of money. If I were in the 'Skins front office, I'd look at Aaron Kampman or Kalimba Edwards. I don't want to spend a boatload on a John Abraham or Darren Howard. We need more help on offense (#3,4 wideouts and #1 tight end), not defense.

I think this is going to be another relatively quiet offseason. Our cap and team chemistry mandate it and our record suggests we only need a few tweaks.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Kalu is done and that rookie Cole replaced him. Mathis is going to want a truckload of money. If I were in the 'Skins front office, I'd look at Aaron Kampman or Kalimba Edwards. I don't want to spend a boatload on a John Abraham or Darren Howard. We need more help on offense (#3,4 wideouts and #1 tight end), not defense.

I think this is going to be another relatively quiet offseason. Our cap and team chemistry mandate it and our record suggests we only need a few tweaks.[/QUOTE]#3or #4 wr?????? how about a #2

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I agree with Kampman or Edwards. Hall might be worth a look at also. I still would like to see us draft a DE we have alot of age on our ends.

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod]#3or #4 wr?????? how about a #2[/QUOTE]
Patten is our 2.

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how much do u guys think Bosch is gonna be wanting?

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Patten is our 2.[/QUOTE]:laughing2 good one!!!!

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I honestly think Patten can be the #2 guy. He needs to get comfortable in the system.

The other issue with our receivers is Brunell. He doesn't really look for them very much unless they are glaringly open. It is hard to tell how they would do because they get their number called so rarely.

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I am hoping that the Redskins follow the same model as they've been using the past two years: look for a talented athletic up-and-coming player (Washington, Griffin) to fill a hole; use inexpensive veterans to create depth.

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[QUOTE=Drift Reality]I honestly think Patten can be the #2 guy. He needs to get comfortable in the system.

The other issue with our receivers is Brunell. He doesn't really look for them very much unless they are glaringly open. It is hard to tell how they would do because they get their number called so rarely.[/QUOTE]patten is not what we need now. i think we need a big reciever .i think your absolutely right about brunell, and i think his problem is arm strength. he doesnt have the big arm to fit the ball in tight places anymore.that is why i think we will see campbell before next season is over.

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Demetric Evans is a priority to resighn
names that stick out to me:

1. Kyle Vanden Bosch
2. John Abraham
3. Darren Howard
4. Anthony Weaver
5. Carlos Hall

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van O and kampman seems decent, diehards picks too, but those guys might be expensive.

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I believe that Patten was a decent #2. For all those who want our #2 to put up Santana Moss-like numbers in this offense, you are living in a Madden world. Simply put, it ain't gonna happen. Patten was on pace for 40+ catches, which is pretty decent for a #2 in Gibbs' run-first offense.

Can we put for rest the talk of going out and getting stars. We simply don't need them and in any event we really cannot afford them.

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We absolutely must re-up with Evans. The Giants and Eagles are sure to try to cherry pick him up. We must save them a fortune in their scouting budget.

I think we're just as likely to strike gold with the draft as we are with free agents. If GW sees a real steal they should go for it. Otherwise we are at the stage where we have established a strong defensive culture and no longer have to bring in overpriced talent (remember Casserly's Stubblefield, Wilkinson coup) as "saviours". We can now expect the younger players to exceed expectations a la the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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What about Bruce Smith?

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Whatever happened to Dana Stubblefield and Dan Wilkinson? Remember, they were suppoed to be these great players... heh.. Wilkinson was ok but... STUBBY... AWFUL!!

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[QUOTE=Daryl Elite]Whatever happened to Dana Stubblefield and Dan Wilkinson? Remember, they were suppoed to be these great players... heh.. Wilkinson was ok but... STUBBY... AWFUL!![/QUOTE]

Wilkinson has played pretty well up in Detroit but yeah those 2 were extremely expensive busts for this franchise.

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Yeah, looks like Stubby played backup for NE last year. I looked up Wilkinson and yeah, he's doing pretty well in Detriot. Not that it matters since... well, it's Detroit.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Patten is our 2.[/QUOTE]

Trust me, Patten is no #2.

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[QUOTE=wewhite3]Trust me, Patten is no #2.[/QUOTE]

2.5 catches per game sure seems amazing compared to the 0.5 cathes per game our #2 WRs have been getting since he left. he definately could fill the #2 role, but so far he hasn't really clicked (and then he got injured).

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[QUOTE=Drift Reality]I honestly think Patten can be the #2 guy. He needs to get comfortable in the system.

The other issue with our receivers is Brunell. He doesn't really look for them very much unless they are glaringly open. It is hard to tell how they would do because they get their number called so rarely.[/QUOTE]

Both are very good points and I agree. Patten can be number, we just have not given him enough time, I mean Cooley has always been a good H-back, but he really started doing well the second half of the season.

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[QUOTE=wewhite3]Trust me, Patten is no #2.[/QUOTE]

The main reason Patten wasn't having a spectacular season was because Brunell didn't develop the QB/WR bond with him that he developed with Moss. David Patten is a nine year vet, and he was pretty successful as a number two in New England. He didn't just magically forget how to play the position. He'll be fine if Brunell ever realizes there are more second options than just Chris Cooley.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]The main reason Patten wasn't having a spectacular season was because Brunell didn't develop the QB/WR bond with him that he developed with Moss. David Patten is a nine year vet, and he was pretty successful as a number two in New England. He didn't just magically forget how to play the position. He'll be fine if Brunell ever realizes there are more second options than just Chris Cooley.[/QUOTE]

I agree also with the #2 receiver Patten is okay and can be effective. I think that is why our offense has sputtered it has progressed this way and hopefully we can make the changes like we have all season. Moss was the go to guy earlier in the year, teams took him away and the offense struggled for a game or two until he started using Cooley as a good second option then Defenses had to defend someone besides Moss and for a couple weeks it opened it back up for Moss. The past two weeks teams have taken away Moss and Cooley and we have not altered the game plan significantly. If I know Gibbs and the offense they will figure out another go to set of plays or player which will open Moss and Cooley again. Brunell has continuosly checked his 1st option moss, then Cooley, then throw away. The offense has not struggled in many consecutive games and adjusted and found options to move the ball.

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Anyone who says Patten isn't a real number 2 clearly doesn't have a good grasp on what a number 2 WR is supposed to do in the NFL. The number 2 should attract safety attention and keep double teams off the number 1. After that he should catch anywhere from 50-70 balls and have 3 or 4 TDs. Patten was basically on pace for this. The evidence clearly shows that after he went down Moss' numbers went down. That ought to show you something. Having a number 2 like Wayne in Indy is rare and really based more on the system than anything. Patten is our number 2 as long as he is healthy.

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how does a thread about DEnds starts 2 talk about Wideouts is beyond me.

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i dont really see any of these free agents making an impact with the skins other than abrahams and he probably will cost too much.although with coach gibbs back,you would think players would be more willing to come to dc

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Regardless of whether or not patten is a number 2, we still need depth at receiver position, at least a #2 caliber player. Patten getting injured atleast shows that and a little competition would be nice. How bout T.O. as a number 2? Before everyone explodes... rationally think about the consequences... sign him to a small, clause filled contract. Essentially bar him from the media, and any outbursts and he's gone. He would love nothing more than to play philli twice and Santana Moss with Owens I don't care who we have a at quarterback. I was on the anti T.O. bandwagon forever, but you can't deny his talent.

And anyone have anyidea what were going to do w/ Lavar?

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[QUOTE=RobH4413]I was on the anti T.O. bandwagon forever, but you can't deny his talent.

And anyone have anyidea what were going to do w/ Lavar?[/QUOTE]

T.O. is going to Dallas. LaVar is gone after the season.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I believe that Patten was a decent #2. For all those who want our #2 to put up Santana Moss-like numbers in this offense, you are living in a Madden world. Simply put, it ain't gonna happen. Patten was on pace for 40+ catches, which is pretty decent for a #2 in Gibbs' run-first offense.

Can we put for rest the talk of going out and getting stars. We simply don't need them and in any event we really cannot afford them.[/QUOTE]On Patten I was wondering how long was he hurt before he decided to have a operation?