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Yes we had 3 turnovers but 3 points to show for all of them. But how big would it have been if Carlos Rogers had picked that ball off and ran in to score? How would the game have changed?

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Why didn't the offense capitalize on the turnovers for more than 3 lousy points? That's why we lost tonight. You can't have the type of first half total lack of offense that we had and expect to win. The "D" did its job, just as it has all season. My God, do they have to score each week so that we can win? Sure seems that way.

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I wouldn't beat the offense up too much. Their defense did a good job bottling up key players for most of the first half.

The big problem today was the line, you can't expect to lose Randy Thomas, then Ray Brown, and have Raymer go in there cold, and have Brunell get the time he needs.

We lost because we were worn down and more injured than they were.

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The poor offensive performance started with our first possession, when Ray Brown was still in there, and continued throughout the game, even after he returned. It was almost a repeat of what we did last week against Tampa Bay.

The "D" is the part of the team that has carried us for 2 years. They've even won many games for us by scoring themselves.

If our offense was half as good as our "D" we would have cruised to a victory tonight. After all, Seattle lost its best offensive weapon early in the game and still managed to score more points that our woeful offense. So, if injuries are our excuse, then Seattle could certainly have claimed the same excuse. But, I dare say that losing Alexander is a heck of a lot more disastrous than losing Ray Brown or Randy Thomas.

Hasselbeck played a very good game tonight, despite losing his most potent offensive weapon. Brunell's play was less than impressive, as it was last week.

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The complextion would have certainly changed if we go up 10-0 but in the end what ifs don't mean anything. Seattle showed they do have a pretty good ball club, but I don't see them winning it all.


Go Colts!!!

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[QUOTE=LadyT]But, I dare say that losing Alexander is a heck of a lot more disastrous than losing Ray Brown or Randy Thomas.
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Clearly not, as Morris and Strong were able to move the chains when they needed to.

We couldn't run, and that made us one-dimensional. So now we're relying on the passing game, but the line isn't holding up and Brunell is out there running around scrambling like mad, unable to make plays because the pocket is collapsing constantly.

I don't see what the argument is? Moss had a huge game but dropped a few key balls. Cooley had a huge game. Brunell didn't throw any pickles. Portis didn't get much going (though the playcalling was terrible IMO, we didn't get Clinton outside enough).

What part of the offense are you complaining about? The WR2 we don't have? It was the line, pure and simple.

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[QUOTE=Hail2em]Yes we had 3 turnovers but 3 points to show for all of them. But how big would it have been if Carlos Rogers had picked that ball off and ran in to score? How would the game have changed?[/QUOTE]
That was a 14 pt swing (we would have had 7, instead we gave up 7) and would have been a HUGE momentum boost.. Alexander had just gone out, Jackson was banged up, Hasselbeck would have pressed and who knows what may have happened.

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[QUOTE=dgack]
What part of the offense are you complaining about? The WR2 we don't have? It was the line, pure and simple.[/QUOTE]

Some feel better by pointing fingers. I think our offense overall has much improved from last year. We still need to have a good compliment to Moss at WR, but we're coming along. People have the Snyder syndrome that if it isn't working right away then junk it all and start from scratch. That approach has already been proven a failure. Our offense has had some really nice games this year - and not to take anything away from Gregg Williams and the defense, but I dare say it's probably tougher coming up with a good offensive scheme that is going to be quite productive. There isn't anything wrong with the offense. When you enter the playoffs missing Randy Thomas - and having Portis beat up along with one true and healthy deep threat receiver, that isn't a system breakdown.

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I know my fan credentials will be questioned for my opinion, but I don't think that "there is nothing wrong with the offense."

The team has made big strides. The team had a fantastic season. The offense re-appeared after being in a hiatus for several seasons. The coaching staff did a great job. BUT, the offense has several problems that must be addressed. Teams lose talent all the time to injury, the great offenses are capable of compensating for such losses. We were a good, but inconsistent offense that was not capable of compensating for such losses.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Teams lose talent all the time to injury, the great offenses are capable of compensating for such losses. We were a good, but inconsistent offense that was not capable of compensating for such losses.[/QUOTE]

I don't disagree with the idea that we're not very deep on offense. On defense, we lost key player after key player and kept on going (on a side note, did Demetrick Evans play well today or what?), but on offense, we had very little help past the big three of Portis, Moss, and Cooley.

Betts and Sellers need to be more involved, IMO, and if not David Patten (even when he wasn't injured, he wasn't doing much), we need a legit WR2 (and it would help to have some promising WR3's waiting for a shot).

More than anything, I'm curious as to how Campbell is coming along.

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I think we lost to a pretty good QB. I was surprised that Matt Hasselback played so well. Once he settled down in the second quarter, he was able to pick our defense apart.

Of course, that Rogers dropped pick could have changed the complexion of the game. The crowd was antsy and nervous when that TD drive started. A score would've taken the 12th man out of the game.

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Hasselbeck did play well. I am stunned by the lack of pressure on him. It's amazing that we had 3 turnovers with none resulting from pressure on the QB.

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[QUOTE=hurrykaine]

Of course, that Rogers dropped pick could have changed the complexion of the game. The crowd was antsy and nervous when that TD drive started. A score would've taken the 12th man out of the game.[/QUOTE]

The crowd was very nervous and many people near me were near turning on their team. That drive was a game-changer.

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[QUOTE=dgack]More than anything, I'm curious as to how Campbell is coming along.[/QUOTE]
if hes at least like decent, i think they should start him next year...he'll only get better and brunells only getting worse. campbell's probably gonna struggle early no matter when we put him in so they might as well do it now

the quarterback isnt asked to do [i]that [/i]much in this offense anyway

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[QUOTE=steveo395]if hes at least like decent, i think they should start him next year...he'll only get better and brunells only getting worse. campbell's probably gonna struggle early no matter when we put him in so they might as well do it now

the quarterback isnt asked to do [i]that [/i]much in this offense anyway[/QUOTE]
This team is a good team. A team that is one or two pieces and some extended health away from being a top team. I think putting a 100% inexperienced 2nd year guy in is not the best way to go unless he shows miraculous abilities in pre-season. He needs at least one year as a number 2 before throwing him in. Some seasoning would be the best descripton. Teams that have no chance now and are building only for the future throw guys in like. Teams with a shot find a way to get a vet who can win.

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If Rogers catches that pick it's a different ball game, at the time when it happened I just kept thinking that was a HUGE lost opportunity.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]If Rogers catches that pick it's a different ball game, at the time when it happened I just kept thinking that was a HUGE lost opportunity.[/QUOTE]
As the game wore on it occured to me how big that play was. I think they made the plays to win and we simply didn't. Any time they needed a big play the usually got it and we didn't most of the time. Game over.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]If Rogers catches that pick it's a different ball game, at the time when it happened I just kept thinking that was a HUGE lost opportunity.[/QUOTE]
That was the non-play of the game. Rogers gets TWO hands on the ball and drops it. 10-0 completely takes the crowd out of the game, but instead, the Seahawks drive for a TD after Rogers missed his chance. I noticed Greg Williams mentioned Rogers by name when discussing missed opportunities. A part of me wishes he wouldn't call out the Rookie - Rogers knows he blew a golden opportunity, and will hopefully concentrate that much harder next time he has a similar chance to take one to the house.

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Yeah, I was really not THAT impressed with Hasselbeck. We were not bringing that much pressure, and what he DID do well was wait for downfield protection to break down, then ad-lib it and pick up some decent yardage.

BUT, he made a LOT of mistakes for a quarterback who supposedly doesn't make mistakes. Remember that series when he hurled the ball into the turf, then ran back 10 yards and chucked up a prayer? That was about the dumbest thing I've seen a playoff QB do since Mark Rypien tried to pass the ball behind his back to avoid a sack.

Then there was the Rogers INT TD that should've been, but wasn't. And the tipped passes. And the almost pick to Taylor that was saved by Joey Vicious living up to his name.

Bottom line, I think Hasselbeck has thrived because defenses had to stop Alexander and that opened things up A LOT. But I've never bought into this lore that he's a Joe Montana stuck in the shadow of a Walter Payton.

I think Carolina eats him for breakfast next week.

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[QUOTE=dgack]I think Carolina eats him for breakfast next week.[/QUOTE]
Ding ding ding! I think we showed if you hit these guys they get rattled. Alexander is plain soft and did nothing to disprove it. When everyone in the league thinks you're soft then you're soft. No matter how much you and you're team say you're not. DJ impressed me and he was the only one. Some of their young D guys are decent.

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Their D was faster than we expected. But they f*cking A should have been, they've been resting for two weeks.

The whole team looked really flabby, though... a lot of guys going down with injuries and I'm thinking, "WTF? We're the ones that have been getting the sh*t kicked out of us for the last 6 weeks... why are YOU guys whining about pain?"

DJax has always been a "good" receiver and never a game-breaker. But I have to give him credit -- that shot he took from Sean Taylor looked like the kind of hit that knocks a man's heart right out of his chest. And he got right back up.

Of course, he probably didn't know which continent he was on, but still...

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[QUOTE=dgack]Their D was faster than we expected. But they f*cking A should have been, they've been resting for two weeks.

The whole team looked really flabby, though... a lot of guys going down with injuries and I'm thinking, "WTF? We're the ones that have been getting the sh*t kicked out of us for the last 6 weeks... why are YOU guys whining about pain?"

DJax has always been a "good" receiver and never a game-breaker. But I have to give him credit -- that shot he took from Sean Taylor looked like the kind of hit that knocks a man's heart right out of his chest. And he got right back up.

Of course, he probably didn't know which continent he was on, but still...[/QUOTE]

They did look soft and I say they loose to CAR next weekend!

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[QUOTE=dgack]Yeah, I was really not THAT impressed with Hasselbeck. We were not bringing that much pressure, and what he DID do well was wait for downfield protection to break down, then ad-lib it and pick up some decent yardage.[/QUOTE]

When the Seahawks didn't miss a beat with Alexander out, Hasselbeck really got on track with the play action. It didn't help our situation when we couldn't get pressure on him. Got to hand it to Seattle, they've assembled quite an offensive line.

And to think Steve Hutchinson was taken one spot before we selected Rod Gardner. Ugh.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]It didn't help our situation when we couldn't get pressure on him. Got to hand it to Seattle, they've assembled quite an offensive line.

And to think Steve Hutchinson was taken one spot before we selected Rod Gardner. Ugh.[/QUOTE]

It didnt seem like we were really sending many people on pressure at all, really. The few times we brought the house he ended up throwing it away. Other than a few decent scrambles thanks to us dropping too many guys back into coverage, he didn't surprise me one bit.

The stats and the game I watched just didn't show me a whole lot from that guy other than the opening drive. I've always thought he was overrated and today didn't change my mind in any respect.

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[QUOTE=dgack]It didnt seem like we were really sending many people on pressure at all, really. The few times we brought the house he ended up throwing it away. Other than a few decent scrambles thanks to us dropping too many guys back into coverage, he didn't surprise me one bit.

The stats and the game I watched just didn't show me a whole lot from that guy other than the opening drive. I've always thought he was overrated and today didn't change my mind in any respect.[/QUOTE]

On the Seahawks drive that ended with a field goal that made it 20-10, Hasselbeck noticed an all-out blitz, and brilliantly audibled for a sweep to Mack Strong for a 32-yard gain. That sealed the deal.

Hasselbeck is no superstar. But he's in the right system with one hell of an offensive line. Sometimes, that's all you need.

You're right about the pressure. Williams rarely blitzed today, I think that was due mainly to a strong running game even without Shaun Alexander. The Skins D was kept off-balance for the most part.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]On the Seahawks drive that ended with a field goal that made it 20-10, Hasselbeck noticed an all-out blitz, and brilliantly audibled for a sweep to Mack Strong for a 32-yard gain. That sealed the deal.

Hasselbeck is no superstar. But he's in the right system with one hell of an offensive line. Sometimes, that's all you need.

You're right about the pressure. Williams rarely blitzed today, I think that was due mainly to a strong running game even without Shaun Alexander. The Skins D was kept off-balance for the most part.[/QUOTE]


That Mack Strong run was a knife in the heart. The entire team and viewing audience seemed like they thought he got stopped behind the line -- even the cameraman was caught looking. I dont know if it was a bad tackle or Strong just stuttered before hitting the hole, but I threw some shit at the TV after that one.

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add it up carlos thats 7pts.john hall missed field goal 3 pts.and santana,s drop in the end zone thats 7 pts.17 total pts right there that would have been huge and the outcome probably would have been different.

we won the turnover battle just couldn,t cash in on them.