Champ Bailey
 

I have to post this, Bailey read the play very well but the kind of guy I want on my team is the tight end from New England. He never quit on the play and chased down Bailey from a 100 yards. Yeah it might have been at an angle but he chased him down and never quit on the play...hats off to him.

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Poor Bailey was exhausted. But yes, those are the kind of guys that you want on your team - ones with a never say die attitude. I think we have some of those guys playing on our team right now. Can't wait till FA and the draft to see who we acquire.

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Dude Bailey got destroyed!

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Bailey shouldnt have ever held the ball like that, it was a nice play till then (even though he almost lost the ball to that RB early on because of holding it one handed. Ben Watson = the next D. Green? ;)

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I can't even watch that game. In light of today's loss, I'm not going to watch any more games this weekend. I'm in a state of total mourning.

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So, on a fumble, the goalline does not extend into infinity; the ball has to come across between the pylons? Seems to me that, if not, that was definitely a touchback.

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[QUOTE=Hail2em]I have to post this. bailey read the play very well but this is the kind of guy i want on my team and that is the tight end from new england never quit on the play and chased down bailey from a 100 yards yeah it might have beenat an angle but he chased him down and never quit on the play...hats off to him[/QUOTE]


I wanted us to draft him, but I am very happy we went with Cooley.

New England really got screwed in this one, and that return by Bailey was a touchback, but after seeing that pass interference call go against the Pat's at the end of the first half I knew there was no way that call with Bailey was going to be reversed. Pretty tough 2 TD's and the ref's blew them both.

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I HATE to think that Bailey left us because we weren't a winning team and he's now on a team that is going to the AFC Championship. Hopefully, the Colts will win tomorrow and spank the living hell out of the Broncos at the RCA Dome.

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I love big effort plays like that from Watson... Bailey had no clue that hit was coming

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[QUOTE=offiss]I wanted us to draft him, but I am very happy we went with Cooley.

New England really got screwed in this one, and that return by Bailey was a touchback, but after seeing that pass interference call go against the Pat's at the end of the first half I knew there was no way that call with Bailey was going to be reversed. Pretty tough 2 TD's and the ref's blew them both.[/QUOTE]
I think it can be reasonably deduced that the ball went through the endzone but there wasn't indistputable evidence that it. Or even close. The best that could be done was to spot the landing of the ball and the release point and draw a line like they did on TV(not very well but at laest they tried). I don't think that method is in the indisputable evidence category. Maybe wrong call but right on the replay as far as the rules.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I love big effort plays like that from Watson... Bailey had no clue that hit was coming[/QUOTE]
Yeah that was a quality moment. Good effort and nice wallop. He could a Skin for me.

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For those of us trying to slit our wrists, could you please explain what happened on the play? Did Bailey start to showboat with the ball and get it stripped?

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]For those of us trying to slit our wrists, could you please explain what happened on the play? Did Bailey start to showboat with the ball and get it stripped?[/QUOTE]

Bailey just slowed up a bit on his 100 yard INT return, Watson hustled and blasted him out of nowhere

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]I think it can be reasonably deduced that the ball went through the endzone but there wasn't indistputable evidence that it. Or even close. The best that could be done was to spot the landing of the ball and the release point and draw a line like they did on TV(not very well but at laest they tried). I don't think that method is in the indisputable evidence category. Maybe wrong call but right on the replay as far as the rules.[/QUOTE]


The thing was as soon as I saw it happen I said touchback because it looked like a no brainer, so whichever way the ref ruled it it was going to stand, it looked like to me they didn't even consider it. once I saw the replay I knew it was a touchback, but I also knew they wouldn't overturn it, but it was a touchback.

The only thing I could say is his foot hit the pyllon and the ball was to his right in the field of play, it was a simple deduction but I knew it would stand.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Bailey just slowed up a bit on his 100 yard INT return, Watson hustled and blasted him out of nowhere[/QUOTE]

if anyone had to wager how far Watson actually had to run on that incredible hustle play for anyone much less a tightend chasing down a cornerback? since he was more than halfway across the field and had to track down bailey on the opposite sideline I'd guess about 130 or so.

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[QUOTE=offiss]The thing was as soon as I saw it happen I said touchback because it looked like a no brainer, so whichever way the ref ruled it it was going to stand, it looked like to me they didn't even consider it. once I saw the replay I knew it was a touchback, but I also knew they wouldn't overturn it, but it was a touchback.

The only thing I could say is his foot hit the pyllon and the ball was to his right in the field of play, it was a simple deduction but I knew it would stand.[/QUOTE]

I think the biggest beef NE had that game was a similar call the skins have been on the bs side of the past couple years in that bogus PI call on Samuels.

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]I think the biggest beef NE had that game was a similar call the skins have been on the bs side of the past couple years in that bogus PI call on Samuels.[/QUOTE]


That joke of a call gave Denver 10 point's in the final 2 minutes.

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Boom he's on his back!

Great INT by Bailey, but he showed lack of focus and yeah that shoulda been a touchback. Also the offensive pass interference was a touchy call and the defensive pass interference was a horrible call.

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[QUOTE=offiss]The thing was as soon as I saw it happen I said touchback because it looked like a no brainer, so whichever way the ref ruled it it was going to stand, it looked like to me they didn't even consider it. once I saw the replay I knew it was a touchback, but I also knew they wouldn't overturn it, but it was a touchback.

The only thing I could say is his foot hit the pyllon and the ball was to his right in the field of play, it was a simple deduction but I knew it would stand.[/QUOTE]
Yeah i agree. They blew the initial call assuming they were even in position to make it. Was anyone even at the goal line is a good question.

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watson is a quality TE, and i usually pick him up in madden fantasy drafts cause he's so fast and usually available ;)

too bad he's not on our roster.

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A very nice play by Watson. But, the bottom line is that because of Bailey's interception, the Broncos are going to the AFC championship while Watson and the Patriots are going home.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I HATE to think that Bailey left us because we weren't a winning team and he's now on a team that is going to the AFC Championship. Hopefully, the Colts will win tomorrow and spank the living hell out of the Broncos at the RCA Dome.[/QUOTE]

I can't hate on Champ Bailey for wanting out of what he viewed as a bad situation. He was in Washington for six seasons and saw four different head coaches. He was one of the elite players at his position, and when a deal came along that he liked, he took it. He went to a winning team that had a shot at the playoffs. And it's not as though he's just tagging along for the ride. He's actually helping them win. I'm happy for him.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]I can't hate on Champ Bailey for wanting out of what he viewed as a bad situation. He was in Washington for six seasons and saw four different head coaches. He was one of the elite players at his position, and when a deal came along that he liked, he took it. He went to a winning team that had a shot at the playoffs. And it's not as though he's just tagging along for the ride. He's actually helping them win. I'm happy for him.[/QUOTE]

You're a better man than I am for wishing him well. I prefer players who seek to stay with an organization and see it through to wins, rather than quit on the team when it stinks.

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I also can't hate on Champ. It's not like he phoned it in when he was wearing the Burgundy and Gold. He played hard, all the time, and the Champ-Portis deal, I think, was one of the few in modern NFL trade memory where I believe neither team got screwed in the long haul. It was good for Champ, good for Clinton (maybe not as good for his shoulders), and great for both teams.

I have no ill will towards Champ Bailey at all. Which is less than I can say for someone like Antonio Pierce, who was made a star by Gregg Williams and bolted as soon as the G-Strings jingled a couple of coins in his face.

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LOL Yeah I missed it but looks good on him. He hasn't been as good since he left the District.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I can't even watch that game. In light of today's loss, I'm not going to watch any more games this weekend. I'm in a state of total mourning.[/QUOTE]

Don't allow our loss affect your weekend plans to the existent that you avoid watching some of the best performances in the playoffs in a long time. Yeah, I'm dissppointed, but when we go the Superbowl I want to have enough arsenal on offense that when one goes down, another steps right in and doesn't miss a step. That's what we have to have in order to defeat the best of the AFC teams which we haven't done in a long time. But I feel your pain.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I HATE to think that Bailey left us because we weren't a winning team and he's now on a team that is going to the AFC Championship. Hopefully, the Colts will win tomorrow and spank the living hell out of the Broncos at the RCA Dome.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, thats not going to happen.........Bailey change that game around...with his play.....a shutdown corner is nice to have

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[QUOTE=dgack]I also can't hate on Champ. It's not like he phoned it in when he was wearing the Burgundy and Gold. He played hard, all the time, and the Champ-Portis deal, I think, was one of the few in modern NFL trade memory where I believe neither team got screwed in the long haul. It was good for Champ, good for Clinton (maybe not as good for his shoulders), and great for both teams.

I have no ill will towards Champ Bailey at all. Which is less than I can say for someone like Antonio Pierce, who was made a star by Gregg Williams and bolted as soon as the G-Strings jingled a couple of coins in his face.[/QUOTE]

Well said, Champ is one of the few Corners in the League that can change a game around...

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You didn't really criticize Pierce did you? The guy gave us a phenomenal season and they we rewarded him with a lowball offer. If your boss tells you great job and then gives you a joke of a raise are you going to just sit there? I don't blame any football player who takes more money. They sacrifice their long term health for the team.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]You didn't really criticize Pierce did you? The guy gave us a phenomenal season and they we rewarded him with a lowball offer. If your boss tells you great job and then gives you a joke of a raise are you going to just sit there? I don't blame any football player who takes more money. They sacrifice their long term health for the team.[/QUOTE]

The thing is, even Pierce admitted our final offer was almost identical to the one he signed with the Giants.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]You didn't really criticize Pierce did you? The guy gave us a phenomenal season and they we rewarded him with a lowball offer. If your boss tells you great job and then gives you a joke of a raise are you going to just sit there? I don't blame any football player who takes more money. They sacrifice their long term health for the team.[/QUOTE]


I don't blame him for taking another offer, but I also don't have any sympathy for the guy... look at his career numbers. They were terrible until Gregg Williams put him into a system and whipped him into shape. Gibbs refers to him as a "Core Redskin" and then he bolts to the G-Strings for an offer that wasn't much better than what we were offering. And why? Because he had one great season in the middle of a defense that was making who-dats into Pro Bowlers?

Pierce didn't exactly light the world on fire in NY, and Lemar Marshall did just fine in his stead. Lemar Marshall, a guy widely considered to be unqualified to hold Lavar's jock before Williams came to town.

Bottom line is, he left because he knew his one big year was probably the only opportunity he'd have to make big money on a new deal. And I don't see him being as dominant up there as he would have been had he stayed here.

Everybody has to pay their bills. His decision was made with that in mind. But I don't buy this whole "the team didn't appreciate me" crap, that's some Lavar-style negotiating that really falls apart when you look at where Pierce was coming from.

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I've been following this guy since he was a rookie. I believe he is one of the fastest TEs in the league, once he impoves his route running and ball skills he will be one of the top TEs in the league.