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Now, let me just start this out by saying....


Joe Gibbs has given me a reason to believe in my Redskins once again. Gibby needs help. Musgrave sucks. West Coast? No. The NFL isn't going to be slow enough for the counter tray, or these line pulls anymore. It's a dying breed of offense, and there is no place in football for it anymore. We need to go out in the off season and get an offensive mind to help poor Joe. I love Joe, but I need to say what everyone else is scared to say. He's too old.

I think if we got a good West Coast guy... like (i hate to say it) but ol' Norval Turner, maybe we can establish more of a deep impact. I friggin hate Norv, but he is an offensive mind. Have you guys seen the forlorn looks on ol' Joe's face everytime the offense falters? He can't understand the fast pace game. I know I'm gonna get hate mail, but it needs to be addressed. I know Joe is a genius, and I hope he proves me wrong, but he will NOT take us to a SuperBowl. I hope he proves me wrong.

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This is just stupid. They made good progress this year. Look at the personnel. Portis, Moss and Cooley. No other options. All they need is a legit 2nd option. A big receiver that they can throw a quick out or slant to on blitzes and when teams put 8 in the box. They also need to draft a few linman for depth. Did you see Raymer out there? Terrible. He should have be forced to take the Amtrack home from Seattle.

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Gibbs isn't the only one that runs "counter trey" type plays. A lot of other teams use running plays with pulling guards (some with center). They just have fast and athletic guards to run these plays effectively. Redskins have Randy Thomas who is perfect for counter trey. Derrick Dockery on the other hand is too slow for these types. I agree with you that Gibbs need some help to improve our passing game.

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Norv Turner runs a west coast offense? :insane:


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We just need some more real passing options.

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[QUOTE=CooleyFan]
Joe Gibbs has given me a reason to believe in my Redskins once again. Gibby needs help. Musgrave sucks. West Coast? No. The NFL isn't going to be slow enough for the counter tray, or these line pulls anymore. It's a dying breed of offense, and there is no place in football for it anymore. We need to go out in the off season and get an offensive mind to help poor Joe. I love Joe, but I need to say what everyone else is scared to say. He's too old.

I think if we got a good West Coast guy... like (i hate to say it) but ol' Norval Turner, maybe we can establish more of a deep impact. I friggin hate Norv, but he is an offensive mind. Have you guys seen the forlorn looks on ol' Joe's face everytime the offense falters? He can't understand the fast pace game. I know I'm gonna get hate mail, but it needs to be addressed. I know Joe is a genius, and I hope he proves me wrong, but he will NOT take us to a SuperBowl. I hope he proves me wrong.[/QUOTE]

Did Clinton Portis have 1,500 yds this year? Oh I must have misread those numbers because having those sort of stats would be impossible in such an anachronistic offensive scheme. Also, the so-called West Coast offense is built upon short passes not a vertical passing game and as someone else pointed out Norv Turner does not run a West Coast scheme (was there a more inept offense with more talent than the Raiders this year, by the way). Why don't you go pick up Football for Dummies before you make more foolish posts. Oh, and Musgrave was a quarterbacks coach he wasn't up in the booth calling plays, if you really really need someone to kick after a loss (clearly you are a fairweather type) then I'm not sure Bill should be the #1 target.

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What I noticed is that when our offense is able to generate yardage into the opponents side of the field, the play calling is more aggressive and decisive. Gibbs just didn't wan't to make Brunell force a pass when no receivers were open when the ball is on our side of the field. Unfortunately, win our bread and butter running game stalled in the playoffs the playcalling did not adjust to the immediate circumstance, thus a series of three and outs. But overall, with no 2# or 3# wideouts we did better than most expected.

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Come on guys let's dwell on the positives. We came a long way from where we were, and there's not a person who post here even thought we we would go as far as we did. Because we didn't go further is no reason to trash JG because there's not a better coach in the NFL. We can use a few more pieces and a little improvement in our schemes but that will come. To suggest the plays we run with the pulling guards are outdated is absurd. Every team in the NFL uses these type plays. We don't seem to have a problem with them when we win, they only become a problem when we loose.
Having to run one receiver patterns from tight formations, and eight in the box can be difficult. JG did every thing he could to protect Brunell, and max protect 70% of the time severly limits your offensive potential. However I think Gibbs is aware of the teams shortcomings and will rectify the situation. We as fans know what we need to do in the off-season to get better, so let's watch for the improvements the team will make and be encouraged for the 2006 season.

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yeah, few more offensive puzzles will do, wr, offensive linemen, CB will do

gibbs scheme is proven winner
and he know what he is doing

hail

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Or did you hear new starting quarterback ?! That is the most stubborn part about Gibbs, not his scheme. Remember when Brunell was playing a little bit better earlier on in the season? :)

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No one is taking anything away from Gibbs, he got us here, but still he needs help. Either he needs some coordinators for the offense, or he needs to make changes on his own. He added the shotgun last year, and opened up the offense, and that got us this far. Hopefully we can work in the free agency, and get better offensive players. Our offense was good this year, but it was VERY flakey, and inconsistent for various reasons. But we can agree, at times we were all upset with the playcalling, and conservative style of offense. Its not Gibbs fault obviously, but even he said, it comes back to him, because he is the head coach. So as a good NFL coach Gibbs, should adapt and change even more, and getting help offensively is an option for him to do that.

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Isn't Mike Martz's offense a Hybrid of the original Gibbs offense?

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Are any of you watching the CAR vs CHI game? The OC for CAR is Dan Henning, a Gibbes clone. They are running the same plays that we run, counter tray included. The difference is a very capable QB who can put some zip on it, a very good healthy OL, and capable #2 receiver (Ricky P.). "In three years, Dan Henning has transformed the Panthers offense from last in the National Football League to one of the NFL's more efficient attacks."
I think we need another year and some good off season acquisitions. No block buster deals just good quality players.

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[QUOTE=CooleyFan]Now, let me just start this out by saying....


Joe Gibbs has given me a reason to believe in my Redskins once again. Gibby needs help. Musgrave sucks. West Coast? No. The NFL isn't going to be slow enough for the counter tray, or these line pulls anymore. It's a dying breed of offense, and there is no place in football for it anymore. We need to go out in the off season and get an offensive mind to help poor Joe. I love Joe, but I need to say what everyone else is scared to say. He's too old.

I think if we got a good West Coast guy... like (i hate to say it) but ol' Norval Turner, maybe we can establish more of a deep impact. I friggin hate Norv, but he is an offensive mind. Have you guys seen the forlorn looks on ol' Joe's face everytime the offense falters? He can't understand the fast pace game. I know I'm gonna get hate mail, but it needs to be addressed. I know Joe is a genius, and I hope he proves me wrong, but he will NOT take us to a SuperBowl. I hope he proves me wrong.[/QUOTE]

This is a team with only one WR!!! The rest suck!!! Get two more good ones and this will make us very good!!!

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while i don't put all our offensive problems on joe gibbs, i must say he still needs to open it up a bit more. he opened it up this year compared to last but not quite enough. having another dependable wr could help out big time though. i guess he couldn't do but so much having only portis, cooley and moss.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]while i don't put all our offensive problems on joe gibbs, i must say he still needs to open it up a bit more. he opened it up this year compared to last but not quite enough. having another dependable wr could help out big time though. i guess he couldn't do but so much having only portis, cooley and moss.[/QUOTE]

Look. There is something you and alot of other fans have to realize. This offense is a BALL CONTROLLED offense. It lives and dies by the run. The running game is what opens this offense up. It's not going to change! The running game is what brought us this far. When the running game is hitting on all cylinders, it opens the passing game. It has ALWAYS been that way. If the running game is stuffed, how do you expect to open things up with only one deep threat? It's not going to happen! If you have more than one true deep threat at WR, then it's possible...but not with ONLY Moss running down the field. Gibbs doesn't have to do anything with the philosophy of the offense. The philosophy isn't broken, outdated, or unintelligent. It has already been proven it works - in fact, it is Gibbs relying heavily on the run and the short ball controlled passes that gave us that 6 game winning streak. Honestly, anyone on this board who is thinking seriously about calling themselves realists and believes they know more about winning in the playoffs and coaching than Joe Gibbs....you need to seriously have your head examined! Gibbs knows exactly what works and what doesn't.

All Gibbs needs is another deep threat receiver. He knows that...that is what they hoped Patten would be. Unfortunately, Patten didn't prove to be a threat when he was playing, and then was injured. Gibbs knows one more weapon will make a difference. In my opinion, that is ALL this offense needs.

BTW Wolfskins, I wasn't directing this post toward you or picking on you...but it's just a general statement to all Redskins fans.

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This thread is f-ing rediculous...Gibbs took a floundering franchise and revitalized it and got them into the final 8. He doesn't need any help at all unless he says he does...he may need a couple talent upgrades in a couple spots, but to say his coaching is somehow flawed is f-ing rediculous.

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Gibbs is the man. We need a few more weapons on offense and upgrade the lines. Then we are set. Tough schedule coming up again next year. Need to build with the draft, if possible.

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I've said this before. I wouldn't presume to pretend that I know half as much as Joe Gibbs has forgotten about game planning!!!

Norv Turner? Are you kidding? The guy who gave us Michael Westbrook, Heath Schuler and Desmond Howard? You want to go back to that?

I like the direction Gibbs is taking the team. I like the progress they are making. This is the NFC East. We play east coast ball here. To win this division you play with power - that's snot-knocking defense and ball control.

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the counter trey does worked, and we've got one of the fastest guards in the nfl to run it with, we've gotten 20 yard runs and TDs with it, so i don't think that's something you can nitpick. The super conservative playcalling mode gibbs goes into at times is troublesome and i don't like how content he is to sit on 3 and 7 point leads with 40+ minutes left to play (ugh), but it got us to 10-6 (with GW and blanche on defense of course)...

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Gibbs = Playoffs.
For those nonbelievers and doubters go to [url]www.indianapoliscolts.com[/url] NOW!!!
To doubt Gibbs is ridiculous unless maybe you're Sally Jenkins. We were 5-6 and made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Before you bitch about Gibbs address Parcells, Coughlin, Dungee, Gruden, Reid, Martz, Mora, Fisher, Vermeil, Schottenheimer, Turner, etc. We're better with Gibbs than anyone.
If ya don't believe then find another team, because the Redskins owe their entire championship legacy to JOE GIBBS!!!
HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!!

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Look. There is something you and alot of other fans have to realize. This offense is a BALL CONTROLLED offense. It lives and dies by the run. The running game is what opens this offense up. It's not going to change! The running game is what brought us this far. When the running game is hitting on all cylinders, it opens the passing game. It has ALWAYS been that way. If the running game is stuffed, how do you expect to open things up with only one deep threat? It's not going to happen! If you have more than one true deep threat at WR, then it's possible...but not with ONLY Moss running down the field. Gibbs doesn't have to do anything with the philosophy of the offense. The philosophy isn't broken, outdated, or unintelligent. It has already been proven it works - in fact, it is Gibbs relying heavily on the run and the short ball controlled passes that gave us that 6 game winning streak. Honestly, anyone on this board who is thinking seriously about calling themselves realists and believes they know more about winning in the playoffs and coaching than Joe Gibbs....you need to seriously have your head examined! Gibbs knows exactly what works and what doesn't.

All Gibbs needs is another deep threat receiver. He knows that...that is what they hoped Patten would be. Unfortunately, Patten didn't prove to be a threat when he was playing, and then was injured. Gibbs knows one more weapon will make a difference. In my opinion, that is ALL this offense needs.

BTW Wolfskins, I wasn't directing this post toward you or picking on you...but it's just a general statement to all Redskins fans.[/QUOTE]

Nicely done skinsguy!
For those of you who would like Gibb's to "OPEN" up the O, he has to have the weapons to do so. That will hope fully be accomplished this off season. Check out the 1991 team stats, and you can see the team running wide open! Numerous offensive records went down that year.

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[QUOTE=Hog1]Nicely done skinsguy!
For those of you who would like Gibb's to "OPEN" up the O, he has to have the weapons to do so. That will hope fully be accomplished this off season. Check out the 1991 team stats, and you can see the team running wide open! Numerous offensive records went down that year.[/QUOTE]

Yep! And if you look at the personnel of the offense that year = Art Monk, Gary Clark, Ricky Sanders! Are you kidding me??? People wonder why doesn't Joe Gibbs open the offense up?? If we had just one more WR such as one of these guys - namely a Gary Clark - then you'll see the offense open up. Gibbs made things work with what he has. So in a way, I guess that Gibbs does tweak his offense according to what style of players he has on the field, but the major philosophy and approach of the offense doesn't change.

Take for instance this year: Gibbs tweaked the offensive running game enough to add in "Denver Style running plays" for Clinton Portis. Although alot of people were saying that Gibbs should have ditched Redskins style of running soley in favor of the Denver style (the counter trey plays being Redskins football) this is not a smart thing to do. You always keep your bread and butter plays in there, but you add on to the game plan. Next, look at Mark Brunell. He still does have an arm, although it isn't a young strong arm like what Mark Rypien had years ago. Therefore, Gibbs calls plays within the ability of what Brunell can do to be successful. If Gibbs called for the majority of his passing plays to be all 40+ plays, he's going to wear Brunell's arm out pretty fast. I realize this is where the argument of Patrick Ramsey comes into play, but this is where I have been preaching that you have to take advantage of ALL the aspects of a quarterback NOT just his arm. Mark Brunell proved himself to be a total quarterback. He's reliable and he's a safe choice. He's obviously not THE best qb in the league - but THE best QB in the league didn't even make it to the championship game this year! (Peyton Manning.) Remember Brad Johnson? Good quarterback but didn't have a strong arm - yet he guided the Bucs to a Super Bowl championship. Having a strong arm does help, but it's not the hands down answer to an offense's question for success.

Next season, I expect that Joe Gibbs will probably see what he can do to give Santana Moss some help. He'll also probably see about getting some depth on our offensive line. I believe those two things are the major concerns for this team - not quarterback. Next season could very well be Brunell's last season - and if it is, we should feel confident that guys like Jason Campbell have had the opportunity to be brought up the way a young QB should be brought up into this league - watching a good well seasoned veteran quarterback run the offense. Believe me, it benefits a young quarterback alot more to see what SHOULD be done on the field, as opposed to watching another qb who, himself, is still trying to develop.

What I am interested in for next season is seeing where ol' Nemo fits into the offensive equation. Gibbs has always loved big strong Riggins sized backs, and Nemo would really help in short yardage situations. I hope they continue to develop this kid.

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[QUOTE=Hog1]Nicely done skinsguy!
For those of you who would like Gibb's to "OPEN" up the O, he has to have the weapons to do so. That will hope fully be accomplished this off season. Check out the 1991 team stats, and you can see the team running wide open! Numerous offensive records went down that year.[/QUOTE]



did you guys read my entire post or just my first two sentences where i suggested gibbs could possibly "open up" the offense a bit more ? because i went on to say that gibbs could'nt "open it up" so much do to the fact that moss, cooley and portis are the only true threats on offense. i agree 100% with you guys about the skins needing another wr and gibbs running a ball control offense. everyone knows gibbs wants a ball control offense , i'm fine with that. what i'm suggesting when i use the term "open up" the offense is gibbs taking a few more shots down the field (even if they are incomplete) the pass can open up the run just as well as the run opening up the pass. i would also like to see gibbs use the middle of the field with some of his pass plays (i could prolly count on one hand the number of passes completed in the middle). the last way i think he could "open" things up is by using the rb screen with portis (did they run that play at all this year with portis ?) i think portis would do very well with it.

other folks on this site may use the term "open up" differently then i do. i do not want the skins to become a "pass first" offense, i would just like to see a little bit more of the things i suggested obove.

believe me when i say "i love joe gibbs as our coach" he made some "minor" adjustments from last season to this season (shotgun, some runblocking changes, different formations,etc...) i'm just suggesting a few more "minor" changes.

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Remember when Dallas came to town? And we beat the shit out of them? That was Joe Gibbs coaching that game. This thread sucks.

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Actually, Gibbs does need help. He needs a competent person in the booth to tell him whether or not to throw the red flag. We could have challenged a spot in that game and prevented a Seahawk touchdown. Last year, we had a guy who was supposed to do that, but he was worse than the damn blind referees and wasted all of our timeouts and now Gibbs is hesitant to challenge.

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[QUOTE=skindogger47]Remember when Dallas came to town? And we beat the shit out of them? That was Joe Gibbs coaching that game. This thread sucks.[/QUOTE]


he was also coaching when the offense couldn't move the ball for the last three games.

so...........whats your point ?:smashfrea

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]did you guys read my entire post or just my first two sentences where i suggested gibbs could possibly "open up" the offense a bit more ? because i went on to say that gibbs could'nt "open it up" so much do to the fact that moss, cooley and portis are the only true threats on offense. i agree 100% with you guys about the skins needing another wr and gibbs running a ball control offense. everyone knows gibbs wants a ball control offense , i'm fine with that. what i'm suggesting when i use the term "open up" the offense is gibbs taking a few more shots down the field (even if they are incomplete) the pass can open up the run just as well as the run opening up the pass. i would also like to see gibbs use the middle of the field with some of his pass plays (i could prolly count on one hand the number of passes completed in the middle). the last way i think he could "open" things up is by using the rb screen with portis (did they run that play at all this year with portis ?) i think portis would do very well with it.

other folks on this site may use the term "open up" differently then i do. i do not want the skins to become a "pass first" offense, i would just like to see a little bit more of the things i suggested obove.

believe me when i say "i love joe gibbs as our coach" he made some "minor" adjustments from last season to this season (shotgun, some runblocking changes, different formations,etc...) i'm just suggesting a few more "minor" changes.[/QUOTE]



I understand what you're saying and yeah, I believe most of us feel when people talk in terms of opening an offense up, that is meant by throwing more and throwing passes that are 25+ yards on a regular basis. That is at least how I understand it. I believe it comes back to having the right combination of personnel to take more shots downfield. I'm not one to believe that throwing it downfield just to be throwing it is a smart move. I believe you take that shot if you believe the receiver is in good position to catch it. Certainly if we had the posse still playing, any QB would be willing to take more shots, because they were great receivers who were deep threats. Right now, only Moss has been our deep threat and defenses knew that. If we get another deep threat receiver to compliment Moss next year, you'd see the offense opened up a bit more, but of course, it still goes back to the running game to be effective in order to do so.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]he was also coaching when the offense couldn't move the ball for the last three games.

so...........whats your point ?:smashfrea[/QUOTE]

Two words... Randy Thomas.

Yes, he is that valuable.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan0201]Or did you hear new starting quarterback ?! That is the most stubborn part about Gibbs, not his scheme. Remember when Brunell was playing a little bit better earlier on in the season? :)[/QUOTE]
He was too stubborn to pull Brunell when he was clearly playing horribly and was injured ...... I personally don't think he was i think his old wore down...... but Gibbs was too stubborn to replace him....

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[QUOTE=Luxorreb]Gibbs = Playoffs.
For those nonbelievers and doubters go to [url="http://www.indianapoliscolts.com/"]www.indianapoliscolts.com[/url] NOW!!!
To doubt Gibbs is ridiculous unless maybe you're Sally Jenkins. We were 5-6 and made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Before you bitch about Gibbs address Parcells, Coughlin, Dungee, Gruden, Reid, Martz, Mora, Fisher, Vermeil, Schottenheimer, Turner, etc. We're better with Gibbs than anyone.
If ya don't believe then find another team, because the Redskins owe their entire championship legacy to JOE GIBBS!!!
HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!![/QUOTE]


Yes, he won 3 outta 4 championships, but George Allen brought the winning tradition to the Redskins. He brought the first Championship team to the Redskins. Gibbs just finished it off for him. ;] Gotta show George some love... sorry. Lol.

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When did Allen win a Championship with the Redskins? What championship team are talking about the one that lost to Miami?

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[QUOTE=CooleyFan]Yes, he won 3 outta 4 championships, but George Allen brought the winning tradition to the Redskins. He brought the first Championship team to the Redskins. Gibbs just finished it off for him. ;] Gotta show George some love... sorry. Lol.[/QUOTE]

Are you talking about an NFC Championship? You do know the Redskins lost to the undefeated Miami Dolphins back in the 70's when Allen was coach.

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[QUOTE=CooleyFan]Now, let me just start this out by saying....


Joe Gibbs has given me a reason to believe in my Redskins once again. Gibby needs help. Musgrave sucks. West Coast? No. The NFL isn't going to be slow enough for the counter tray, or these line pulls anymore. It's a dying breed of offense, and there is no place in football for it anymore. We need to go out in the off season and get an offensive mind to help poor Joe. I love Joe, but I need to say what everyone else is scared to say. He's too old.

I think if we got a good West Coast guy... like (i hate to say it) but ol' Norval Turner, maybe we can establish more of a deep impact. I friggin hate Norv, but he is an offensive mind. Have you guys seen the forlorn looks on ol' Joe's face everytime the offense falters? He can't understand the fast pace game. I know I'm gonna get hate mail, but it needs to be addressed. I know Joe is a genius, and I hope he proves me wrong, but he will NOT take us to a SuperBowl. I hope he proves me wrong.[/QUOTE]


What team have you watched all year? Musgrave does not run HIS offense, it Gibbs and HIS offense. Musgrave was brought here to help Brunell, They were together in Jacksonville. He may have suggested the shotgun, but that is about it. dont think for a second that we are running any sort of offense other that what Gibbs wants. Secondly, Norv Turner does not run a west coast offense. If anything its much like a Gibbs offense where he like to run the ball heavy, and hit you deep. Some mis directions and Tuners did run the counter trey, as alot of teams now do. The pulling of guards or tackles is part of the NFL today, and will be. The guards and tackles are more athletic and fast and can get moving downfield and plow holes big enough for trucks to drive through. Gibbs may be 65, but why is that old. Dude, this was the best year we have had since 99. we had a 3000 yard passer, 1500 yard rusher and a 1400 almost 1500 yard receiver and cooley had a hell of a year with 60-70 receptions. I dont know what you are watching dude, but tune in next year for another good season of Redskins football.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]What team have you watched all year? Musgrave does not run HIS offense, it Gibbs and HIS offense. Musgrave was brought here to help Brunell, They were together in Jacksonville. He may have suggested the shotgun, but that is about it. dont think for a second that we are running any sort of offense other that what Gibbs wants. Secondly, Norv Turner does not run a west coast offense. If anything its much like a Gibbs offense where he like to run the ball heavy, and hit you deep. Some mis directions and Tuners did run the counter trey, as alot of teams now do. The pulling of guards or tackles is part of the NFL today, and will be. The guards and tackles are more athletic and fast and can get moving downfield and plow holes big enough for trucks to drive through. Gibbs may be 65, but why is that old. Dude, this was the best year we have had since 99. we had a 3000 yard passer, 1500 yard rusher and a 1400 almost 1500 yard receiver and cooley had a hell of a year with 60-70 receptions. I dont know what you are watching dude, but tune in next year for another good season of Redskins football.[/QUOTE]

I agree good points across the board.

Norv definitely does not run the west coast.

There probably isn't a single team in the league that doesn't have counter plays in their playbook.

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Here is a must-read by Boswell (sent to me by warpather grayacre):
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/16/AR2006011601456.html[/url]

[quote]Gibbs and his offensive staff are up to speed on the NFL of '06. But they still believe that fundamental football, properly executed, will work in any era. Fine offenses work for a reason. Each play complements other plays and disguises future options. The success of one play, which must then be defended, sets up the success of entirely different plays. Gibbs and his buddies have not worked all their lives to throw away that enormous accumulated knowledge for the sake of a few new wrinkles.

"Some offensive concepts work year after year," said offensive coordinator Don Breaux. "You can tweak them. But the truth is that a lot of us do the same things. And, with computers, it's now much easier to see anything new that anybody in the league develops. It just flies around the league in no time. We incorporated some things that New England does during the last offseason. But any coach who has accomplished anything has a belief system. Joe has a system and he believes in it."

So, don't expect to see new formations, new strategies or significantly different play-calling next season. It's just not going to happen. Gibbs will be Gibbs. To find out if that approach to offense is good enough in the current NFL, one thing is essential. Gibbs has assembled his new Hogs and his 1,500-yard running back. He has as good a deep receiver in Moss as he's ever coached and in Chris Cooley he may have his best H-back ever. Between Mark Brunell (23 touchdown passes, only 10 interceptions) and the young Campbell, he now has quarterbacks who are comparable to his list of non-Hall-of-Famers in the past.

What Gibbs does not have is a second wide receiver who is even remotely equivalent to the kind of player his system demands. Until that void is corrected, the Redskins probably won't go any further than they did this season. If they do, then Gibbs will have a fair chance to prove that, past the age of 65, he can go all the way to a fifth Super Bowl.[/quote]

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Now that Saunders is signed Musgrave bites the dust, perhaps? As reported on Redskins.com every coach was retained! That's ridiculous as having Raymer filling in at RG. Who's decision was that?

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[QUOTE=EXoffender]Now that Saunders is signed Musgrave bites the dust, perhaps? As reported on Redskins.com every coach was retained! That's ridiculous as having Raymer filling in at RG. Who's decision was that?[/QUOTE]
don't you know that gibbs knows what hes doing by now

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[QUOTE=EXoffender]Now that Saunders is signed Musgrave bites the dust, perhaps? As reported on Redskins.com every coach was retained! That's ridiculous as having Raymer filling in at RG. Who's decision was that?[/QUOTE]

Musgrave is the personal trainer for the QB's during the season. He obviously helps break things down in the offseason and contributes to the offense with regards to what the QB needs to be successful, but he is not the offensive coordinator (as some have implied).


Gibbs plans on leaving in a few years and wants to leave the orginization with the guys to keep it going. I expect to see Don Breaux gone next year or moved to consultant or something. Saunders will be (and is now) the guy on offense.

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[QUOTE=steveo395]don't you know that gibbs knows what hes doing by now[/QUOTE]How dare I second guess coach? Hail Gibbs!