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While I certainly was not happy about the loss to Seattle, given the fact we got Alexander out and still lost, I must say that it was a good year and kudos to the coaching staff. Now, lets turn to our needs.

The Draft. I might be the only one that thinks this way, but here goes. I devote the entire draft to the offensive and defensive lines. Our o-line backups, i.e. Cory Raymer, are horrible. We really really need to upgrade our backups on the o-line and get some depth. We also need to upgrade the D-line as well. When Griffin was out, our defense really suffered. We need someone who can play in the middle of that line and stuff the run. Id be happy if we used all of our picks on lineman.

Free Agency: No. 2 receiver. I know alot of you will say Patten still has football in him, maybe he does. Maybe Patten would get open, and Brunell just couldn't get him the ball. Often when I watch the game again on TiVo, I will see the receivers being open way way before Brunnell gets them the ball, so maybe Patten was getting open and Brunnell just doesn't have the arm to get the ball there fast enough. Irregardless, FRAYGEELAY (aka Jacobs) is gone and we need to upgrade the WR corp (AGAIN). I think we have 2 glaring needs in free agency: Upgrade WRs, and sign a pass rushing DE.

Thoughts?

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WR and DE is correct, its a must, and DE has been a glaring need for almost a damn decade now.

DE and OL in draft and WR though FA

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Agreed, Great year, I take that back............INCREDIBLE year! Need to look at the O-line as, to many times, we could NOT run the ball. Not enough push. It didn't look like Portis problem. If it's going to be the mainstay of our offense, we better be able to execute it against everyone.
Need WR help. It looks to me more of a problem with people to throw to, rather than Brunell not seeing them. I would say he fails to hit recievers "in stride" to much. D-line needs competant backups and a fire breathin' pass rusher. Need another good corner (in a perfect world). This would be a nice start
HAIL TO THE REDSKINS

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[QUOTE=jrocx69]WR and DE is correct, its a must, and DE has been a glaring need for almost a damn decade now.

DE and OL in draft and WR though FA[/QUOTE]

Jeez, Phillip Daniels is getting no love around the Warpath lately. He was a one-man wrecking crew for us coming down the stretch. I'd fill other needs before I'd worry about DE.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Jeez, Phillip Daniels is getting no love around the Warpath lately. He was a one-man wrecking crew for us coming down the stretch. I'd fill other needs before I'd worry about DE.[/QUOTE]

I definitely agree, 8 sacks down the stretch, countless tipped passes, and it's no coincidence his sacks came once Griffin and Salave'a were healthy and back in the lineup.

Still, while I don't think DE is a glaring need, it would be nice to get someone young in here to develop. Daniels and Wynn aren't exactly spring chickens. I did like what I saw from Evans at times, perhaps he could get worked into the mix more next year.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Jeez, Phillip Daniels is getting no love around the Warpath lately. He was a one-man wrecking crew for us coming down the stretch. I'd fill other needs before I'd worry about DE.[/QUOTE]
absolutey not, he got 4 sacks against a bush league OT in dallas, he's hurt alot and HE's in his 30's. DE is a must. on the other hand he played great getting his hands up, and stopping the run on occasion. he played really well, but he is no force. did you not watch seattle though?? we even knew the pass was coming with no big 37 in the game and still no pass rush to save our ass and the few times we did we didnt have a quick enough lineman to stop him from escaping on 2 third down scrambles when they had the chance.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I definitely agree, 8 sacks down the stretch, countless tipped passes, and it's no coincidence his sacks came once Griffin and Salave'a were healthy and back in the lineup.

Still, while I don't think DE is a glaring need, it would be nice to get someone young in here to develop. Daniels and Wynn aren't exactly spring chickens. I did like what I saw from Evans at times, perhaps he could get worked into the mix more next year.[/QUOTE]

I like that idea. If you can find a Chris Canty type prospect in the 4th round or something, I'd be all for that. DE is a spot you always want to keep an eye on because having a great one is invaluable. Just like QB, you always want to keep an eye on QBs.

But having Daniels, Wynn, and assuming we resign D Evans, I think that allows us to focus on other problems with our higher picks. I'd love a free agent WR and our offensive line depth is downright scary. Plus, only Rabach and Dockery can be considered young. Jansen, Samuels and Thomas are in the midst of their primes and it won't be too much longer before we need younger legs. Developing some depth along the line would be good, and hopefully they'd eventually grow into a starting role.

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yeah,

oline, wr is a priority
de is second priority

look, after thomas was injured our offense (esp running game) suffered
it is very clear

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[QUOTE=jrocx69]absolutey not, he got 4 sacks against a bush league OT in dallas, he's hurt alot and HE's in his 30's. DE is a must. on the other hand he played great getting his hands up, and stopping the run on occasion. he played really well, but he is no force. did you not watch seattle though?? we even knew the pass was coming with no big 37 in the game and still no pass rush to save our ass and the few times we did we didnt have a quick enough lineman to stop him from escaping on 2 third down scrambles when they had the chance.[/QUOTE]

Dude, 4 sacks against ANYBODY in the NFL is impressive. You're delusional if you think any DE could do that. Plus all those tipped passes, plus he's a good run defender.

The team will have a decent amount of cap room, but I think it would be a mistake to go spend big money at DE when we have other problems at other positions. Adding a DE can never hurt, but it wouldn't be my first priority. Salary cap constraints dictate that we look at other positions first, IMO.

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I don't think there's any doubt about it -- we desperately need to address defensive end. Renaldo Wynn simply isn't a pass rusher. While Philip Daniels finally found his light switch, saying that all is well at that position would be a huge mistake.

It's all going to depend on who the best player is when our pick comes up in the 2nd round. DE, reserve O-linemen, WR and nickel CB are the priorities in my mind.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I definitely agree, 8 sacks down the stretch, countless tipped passes, and it's no coincidence his sacks came once Griffin and Salave'a were healthy and back in the lineup.

Still, while I don't think DE is a glaring need, it would be nice to get someone young in here to develop. Daniels and Wynn aren't exactly spring chickens. I did like what I saw from Evans at times, perhaps he could get worked into the mix more next year.[/QUOTE]
so he got 8 sacks down the stretch against some very so so lineman... who else that is a starter and their # in the 90's showed pressure? wynn needs to leave, i love the guy, but not even 2 sacks in an entire season is horrid, and his cap isnt worth what we are getting. joe and phillip are doing great with the hands up and joe was never brought here for qb preasures, but wynn and daniels with griffin were supposed to do it. DE is just a glaring need, wynn didnt do all that great with the run giving some big yards this season and if he cant get sacks either, its time to go IMO

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[QUOTE=bertoskins]yeah,

oline, wr is a priority
de is second priority

look, after thomas was injured our offense (esp running game) suffered
it is very clear[/QUOTE]

Yes, big time. We had no way to replace Thomas's athleticism. That was a huge asset that doesn't get nearly enough attention. All of those Portis sweeps to the outside of the tackles just went "poof", gone from the playbook when Thomas went down. He's athletic and big enough to get out on the edge, pulling into space. We couldn't replace that, and those were our bread and butter running plays while we were winning the 5 games to close the season.

Ray Brown was a fine stopgap in pass protection. And he could run block in the interior a little bit. But he couldn't get out into space. Dockery couldn't do it going the other way, either. We missed Randy desperately. What's worse, we don't have Ray Brown next year, even as a stopgap to provide pass protection and mediocre run-blocking. We have Molinaro, who is totally unknown. OL depth is a major priority.

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Depth on the offensive and defensive lines. I felt our defensive front played much better down the stretch, but we do need to have a good dominating front line on both offensive and defensive lines.

We also need another deep threat Wide Out. Maybe Patten will bounce back and be that guy, but I believe we need to look for another receiver to help Moss.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]The Draft. I might be the only one that thinks this way, but here goes. I devote the entire draft to the offensive and defensive lines. Our o-line backups, i.e. Cory Raymer, are horrible. We really really need to upgrade our backups on the o-line and get some depth. We also need to upgrade the D-line as well. When Griffin was out, our defense really suffered. We need someone who can play in the middle of that line and stuff the run. Id be happy if we used all of our picks on lineman.

Free Agency: No. 2 receiver. I know alot of you will say Patten still has football in him, maybe he does. Maybe Patten would get open, and Brunell just couldn't get him the ball. Often when I watch the game again on TiVo, I will see the receivers being open way way before Brunnell gets them the ball, so maybe Patten was getting open and Brunnell just doesn't have the arm to get the ball there fast enough. Irregardless, FRAYGEELAY (aka Jacobs) is gone and we need to upgrade the WR corp (AGAIN). I think we have 2 glaring needs in free agency: Upgrade WRs, and sign a pass rushing DE.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

HELL YEAH! Could not have said it better myself (actually I could have, "irregardless" isn't a word) :)

I think you are 100% right on with the draft. I am a firm believer in Madden's old saying that "it all starts with the line." Fans seem SO inclined to go after the next WR with a shitty attitude or the next superstar player. Maybe it's watching too many Sportscenter highlights or playing too much fantasy football where the line doesn't matter, but all those highlights and all those amazing stats, catches, runs and players only happen be cause the line got it done first. On a VERY few occasions will a player do something incredible when the line breaks down, but that is the major exception, NOT the rule. Clinton Portis is nothing if he's got no hole to hit. Mark Brunell or even Peyton Manning are just big targets if they've got no protection. I say we spend almost every pick we have on the offensive line and maybe some on the defensive line. I'm a little more concerned about the offense than the defense so I lean more toward the O-line than the D-line, but it wouldn't hurt to have a pass-rush specialist.

Again I think you're right on with the Patten thing. I think we should ALL temper our enthusiasm over the #2 wideout problem. I would agree that we absolutely need at LEAST one other good WR, especially since we have no depth whatsoever at this position. However, as I said in a previous post, a star #2 WR is NOT the solution.

Santana Moss managed to become the #2 WR in the NFL this year even without the compliment of a true #2 threat. He had 80 less yards than Steve Smith. If people really think that the root of al our problems is the lack of a #2 threat to open up more for Moss, than they must also think that a team has to have a reciever with close to 2000 yards in order to be a real contender.

Let's definitely get some depth at WR and get some good posession guys, but let's not trade every pick, decent player and spend every last dime to reel in a T.O., Randy Moss or some other distaster waiting to happen.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]I don't think there's any doubt about it -- we desperately need to address defensive end. Renaldo Wynn simply isn't a pass rusher. While Philip Daniels finally found his light switch, saying that all is well at that position would be a huge mistake.

It's all going to depend on who the best player is when our pick comes up in the 2nd round. DE, reserve O-linemen, WR and nickel CB are the priorities in my mind.[/QUOTE]

Well, that is a lot of priorities you list there.

I agree, I think there are upgrades to be made over Reynaldo Wynn. But I think he's better than he gets credit for. Not much in the way of pass rushing, but he's huge at stopping the run. Plus the leadership and locker room presence should not be ignored.

It's just that we might not be able to address all 4 of the priorities you listed with quality players. I think we all agree that a WR is desperately needed. The ability to grab a big-time starting DE who can rush the passer will depend largely on our salary cap space. Remember, DEs like that are expensive.

Wynn's arm fracture could help decide his fate, who knows. But if we're faced with salary cap constraints, my priorities go in this order:

1) WR
2) O-Line depth
3) Nickel CB
4) DE

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[QUOTE=jrocx69]so he got 8 sacks down the stretch against some very so so lineman... who else that is a starter and their # in the 90's showed pressure? wynn needs to leave, i love the guy, but not even 2 sacks in an entire season is horrid, and his cap isnt worth what we are getting. joe and phillip are doing great with the hands up and joe was never brought here for qb preasures, but wynn and daniels with griffin were supposed to do it. DE is just a glaring need, wynn didnt do all that great with the run giving some big yards this season and if he cant get sacks either, its time to go IMO[/QUOTE]

I'm all for signing a good DE if we can find one, but I think it's a 2nd or 3rd priority behind the O-line and depth at WR.

I think we have the fewest problems on defense. IF we needed to improve anything on D it would definitely be the DE position, but I'd spend picks and money on the O-line long before that.

Has the D let us down a few times this year? Sure, but any D will. It's the offense that his really be the most inconsistent element.

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Sign Strong Safety Adam Archuleta to go along with Sean Taylor in the backfield

Oline I'd rather have quality Vets who are used to the speed of the NFL. Dline I'd go through the draft

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Well, that is a lot of priorities you list there.

I agree, I think there are upgrades to be made over Reynaldo Wynn. But I think he's better than he gets credit for. Not much in the way of pass rushing, but he's huge at stopping the run. Plus the leadership and locker room presence should not be ignored.

It's just that we might not be able to address all 4 of the priorities you listed with quality players. I think we all agree that a WR is desperately needed. The ability to grab a big-time starting DE who can rush the passer will depend largely on our salary cap space. Remember, DEs like that are expensive.

Wynn's arm fracture could help decide his fate, who knows. But if we're faced with salary cap constraints, my priorities go in this order:

1) WR
2) O-Line depth
3) Nickel CB
4) DE[/QUOTE]

I like your analysis. I'd still argue that O-line is more important than WR, but I understand that's highly debateable.

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[QUOTE=mheisig]I like your analysis. I'd still argue that O-line is more important than WR, but I understand that's highly debateable.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I wouldn't say the line needs help before the WRs. Keep in mind we have 5 starters in place along the line who have played together and turned in a solid year this year when they were all healthy. Remember Portis's 5 straight 100-yard games? Credit goes to the O-line on that one, especially Randy Thomas. Once he got hurt, Portis struggled. And so did the entire offense.

I think we need depth along the line. But we are in desperate need of another threat down the field. He doesn't need to be a TO or Randy Moss. But he needs to be better than James Thrash or Taylor Jacobs.

Reggie Wayne would be ideal, because he runs TREMENDOUS routes and gets separation with quick cuts. But he's expensive. We at least need somebody to come in and take attention off Moss. Patten was taking attention away from Moss, and I think he'll have a better year next year. But we need a 3rd guy. If Wayne can't be obtained, David Givens is a good target, he's another good route-runner.

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I'd add that a bulldozer at TE would help us too. Someone who can really lay the lumber in run blocking.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Yeah I wouldn't say the line needs help before the WRs. Keep in mind we have 5 starters in place along the line who have played together and turned in a solid year this year when they were all healthy. Remember Portis's 5 straight 100-yard games? Credit goes to the O-line on that one, especially Randy Thomas. Once he got hurt, Portis struggled. And so did the entire offense.

I think we need depth along the line. But we are in desperate need of another threat down the field. He doesn't need to be a TO or Randy Moss. But he needs to be better than James Thrash or Taylor Jacobs.

Reggie Wayne would be ideal, because he runs TREMENDOUS routes and gets separation with quick cuts. But he's expensive. We at least need somebody to come in and take attention off Moss. Patten was taking attention away from Moss, and I think he'll have a better year next year. But we need a 3rd guy. If Wayne can't be obtained, David Givens is a good target, he's another good route-runner.[/QUOTE]

Ok, you've convinced me :) I'll concede that we need depth along the O-line more than we need to replace players. I guess I'm happy with the O-line we have, I just want to seem them play like they did that 5-game stretch for the whole SEASON. We'd be unstoppable.

I definitely like Givens, his routes are impressive. Wayne seems like a long shot.

Anyone here for Eric Moulds? I know he had the incident with Mularkey this season but I don't think that was his fault at all, just Mularkey being an ass. I definitely do NOT want a "superstar" player with the superstar attitude. That's why I liked Patten or Givens or Wayne - humble, professional guys who produce.

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[QUOTE=mheisig]Ok, you've convinced me :) I'll concede that we need depth along the O-line more than we need to replace players. I guess I'm happy with the O-line we have, I just want to seem them play like they did that 5-game stretch for the whole SEASON. We'd be unstoppable.

I definitely like Givens, his routes are impressive. Wayne seems like a long shot.

Anyone here for Eric Moulds? I know he had the incident with Mularkey this season but I don't think that was his fault at all, just Mularkey being an ass. I definitely do NOT want a "superstar" player with the superstar attitude. That's why I liked Patten or Givens or Wayne - humble, professional guys who produce.[/QUOTE]

I think Moulds would perform reasonably well. But he'd be expensive I think. He's had a couple season worthy of superstar status. If he were affordable, I'd welcome him.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]I'd add that a bulldozer at TE would help us too. Someone who can really lay the lumber in run blocking.[/QUOTE]


LOL, when we had the #25 pick I really really wanted them to take Heath Miller TE from VA. I watched him yesterday in Pittsburgh, he's a certified bad ass. Can you imagine what defenses would face with both him and Cooley in the game? I mean, defenses would have no idea if we were gonna run or pass. Oh well, if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts.....

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]LOL, when we had the #25 pick I really really wanted them to take Heath Miller TE from VA. I watched him yesterday in Pittsburgh, he's a certified bad ass. Can you imagine what defenses would face with both him and Cooley in the game? I mean, defenses would have no idea if we were gonna run or pass. Oh well, if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts.....[/QUOTE]

Miller would have been a good addition for sure. Hopefully Campbell turns out to be worth the pick, it will take a while to find out. The Campbell selection was designed to be an investment in our long-term future. Hopefully he brings us stability once Brunell is gone.

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Personally I really feel we missed the boat with last years draft, although I really like Rogers I feel we would have been better served as a team as a whole if we traded down and drafted more players. Or at least used the pick we used on Campbell to trade down at the time and pick up more players.

We have 3 QB's and a lot of holes to fill, and I can't say I have a whole lot of confidence that we will address any real needs with this draft.

Rabach is nothing special, we should have drafted Chris Spencer last year, I aslo feel Dockery is nothing more than a backup, Dockery is to slow, and Rabach is to weak.

I would also address our return game we need a bonified return man.

a punter, a kicker, we really have a lot of needs and so few picks, and we haven't shown any ability to find talent in the later rounds, I am not really exited about the upcoming draft as I usually am.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Personally I really feel we missed the boat with last years draft, although I really like Rogers I feel we would have been better served as a team as a whole if we traded down and drafted more players. Or at least used the pick we used on Campbell to trade down at the time and pick up more players.

We have 3 QB's and a lot of holes to fill, and I can't say I have a whole lot of confidence that we will address any real needs with this draft.

Rabach is nothing special, we should have drafted Chris Spencer last year, I aslo feel Dockery is nothing more than a backup, Dockery is to slow, and Rabach is to weak.

I would also address our return game we need a bonified return man.

a punter, a kicker, we really have a lot of needs and so few picks, and we haven't shown any ability to find talent in the later rounds, I am not really exited about the upcoming draft as I usually am.[/QUOTE]

And if a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass when he hops. Woulda coulda shoulda.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Well, that is a lot of priorities you list there.

I agree, I think there are upgrades to be made over Reynaldo Wynn. But I think he's better than he gets credit for. Not much in the way of pass rushing, but he's huge at stopping the run. Plus the leadership and locker room presence should not be ignored.

It's just that we might not be able to address all 4 of the priorities you listed with quality players. I think we all agree that a WR is desperately needed. The ability to grab a big-time starting DE who can rush the passer will depend largely on our salary cap space. Remember, DEs like that are expensive.

Wynn's arm fracture could help decide his fate, who knows. But if we're faced with salary cap constraints, my priorities go in this order:

1) WR
2) O-Line depth
3) Nickel CB
4) DE[/QUOTE]

If Renaldo Wynn's cap number is manageable, I'd say sure, keep him around for rotations, but he is by no means a full time starter at DE. Being able to apply pressure to the quarterback without blitzing is an incredible advantage, and this organization has ignored that position for way too long. Also, the "leadership in the lockerroom" thing is overrated. I've heard that from players -- the head coach is responsible for leadership -- no one else.

Certainly, this team as far as it's draft capability cannot address every single area I mentioned. I think they represent the team's top needs, and the best player at our spot in the second round will probably fall at one of those positions. I imagine wide receiver will be addressed through free agency, if our cap experts are able to figure out a way to make it happen. I haven't given up on David Patten, either. For whatever reason, it just seemed that he and Brunell didn't get a chance to find that cohesive rhythym as quickly as it materialized with Santana Moss. While I'd love to see Reggie Wayne in burgundy and gold, he'e going to be top dollar, the most coveted free agent on the market by far. All of this tends to indicate that an upgrade at WR will be more subtle.

It's all going to depend on who's left by the time we pick in the 2nd round.

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[QUOTE=mheisig]

I am a firm believer in Madden's old saying that "it all starts with the line." Fans seem SO inclined to go after the next WR with a shitty attitude or the next superstar player. Maybe it's watching too many Sportscenter highlights or playing too much fantasy football where the line doesn't matter, but all those highlights and all those amazing stats, catches, runs and players only happen be cause the line got it done first. On a VERY few occasions will a player do something incredible when the line breaks down, but that is the major exception, NOT the rule. Clinton Portis is nothing if he's got no hole to hit. Mark Brunell or even Peyton Manning are just big targets if they've got no protection.[/QUOTE]

I agree, it all starts with the line. But by the same token, the best pass protection an O-line can offer won't matter if you're wide receivers can't get open. With James Thrash and Taylor Jacobs in the lineup while Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels were healthy, this was painfully obvious.

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Regarding the tight end position, Joe Gibbs has always preferred glorified linemen at tight end who block rather than catch, as opposed to Tony Gonzales or Heath Miller. Not saying they can't block, but Gibbs' offense prefers someone like Ron Middleton.

That can be addressed through undrafted free agency on the cheap.

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Any chance we could get Reggie Wayne or would that break our budget?

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[QUOTE=redrock-skins]Any chance we could get Reggie Wayne or would that break our budget?[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, that would pummel our cap. We don't need another Santana Moss. I'll be happy with Patten's return and another wideout as capable as Patten (either via the draft, trade, or free agency).

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I say we trade Lavar to the chargers, for WR Vincent Jackson, he didn't play that much this year but it's a deal I would make in a heartbeat.

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wynn is expensive, daniels is getting older, i'd say a DE even if he comes in as a #3 with potential is a must, as is at least one but probably two WRs (one FA, one for depth in the draft). I'd still vote for tapp and S moss myself :P

after WR and DE i'd get 1 guy that can start at G/T and at least one backup and a young CB that can be our #3. a DT #2/#3 is also a must.

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[QUOTE=redrock-skins]Any chance we could get Reggie Wayne or would that break our budget?[/QUOTE]

if there's one expensive guy worth getting this offseason it'd be him (or maybe mathis). I'd love that, but i think we're looking at the 2nd tier (no TO, no wayne) which will be plentiful and somewhat cheap. P warrick, P Price, K robinson (Very talented, fast, WANTS to come here specifically, alcoholic), B Lloyd (talented but inconsistant), D givens, R Caldwell (had good numbers before he got injured), K Mccardell (old), etc.

I'd take a flyer on K robinson and R Caldwell and also eye S Moss if he falls to us in the 3rd round. All would be very cheap and only 1 of the 4 (including patten) would have to actually step up. Denver did that with CBs and DL this season and spray and pray actually seems to work well with 2nd tier talent.

At DE, kampman seems like the price/performance guy and there's decent depth at DE/DT in the draft we'll be able to pick from in the 2nd. It'd be alright to get a guy that'd take a bit to break in since wynn will probably be back (even though i think he makes too much for his production, the coaches seem to really like him in the lockerroom).

OL i know much less about... 2 bucs starters are FAs and both would be great backups (stussie/mahan), but i don't know if either would agree to that (or how practical it is to pay that much to a backup).