The Skins' biggest area of need?
 

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has to be WR, solely because our defense is still good with the DLine we have. adding another WR would help our offense immensely

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Wide Receiver. We need a Moss clone on the other side.

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It's not even close. WR.

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i wish that samardzjia guy from ND would drop to us :)

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this is gonna be a wash...

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WR.

nuff said

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[QUOTE=Big C]i wish that samardzjia guy from ND would drop to us :)[/QUOTE]

I thought he was going to play pro baseball. Anyway, wide receiver, though I don't think a Santana clone is the answer (unless you just mean a very productive stud). A bigger wideout who could be a red zone target and compliment - rather than mimick - Santana would be great. I suspect he will command some decent money and New England will probably keep him, but David Givens would be great. A rush DE comes in a close second.

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I'm the first one to vote for "other". I think the offensive line - particularly the depth on the offensive line needs to be improved a lot.

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]I'm the first one to vote for "other". I think the offensive line - particularly the depth on the offensive line needs to be improved a lot.[/QUOTE]

I would agree that depth is a good area that needs to be improved. I think our starting five are fine, but now that Ray Brown is gone, we have NO ONE to step in. I mean, we saw what happened when Raymer got in there at gaurd last weekend, it was ugly.

However, I still voted for WR. Moss is great, but when teams can put multiple men on you, I dont think anyone in the NFL can consistently perform (the lone exception possibly being Steve Smith).

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I've gotta go with WR too.

Jacobs and Thrash simply can't get the job done. I like Thrash on special teams but otherwise he's pretty much a #4 at best.

I still have faith in Patten, but he may be better suited in a #3 role.

I think we really need to add a legit #2 to compliment Moss.

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WR all the way....

Someone with size and good hands. A possesion type receiver.

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Let me be clear here. I am not saying that adding help at WR is unimportant. That is VERY important. Taylor Jacobs is NOT ever going to be a top shelf WR in the NFL. I kinda felt that way at the beginning of last year but held out hope he could become an important contributor to thi team. He didn't; I'm now convinced he can't. James Thrash is a #3 WR and special teams player; that's it. Patten and Moss are solid but they are small and the Skins will need to have some depth there.

OK, does everyone understand that I agree that WR needs upgrading.

Now look at the OL. Sorry but Professor Dockery is only the starting guard on this team because the back-ups were 43-year-old Ray Brown and Cory Raymer. Both back-ups are way below par; imagine if Thomas had been injured in Week 4 and the Skins tried to go 3 months with Brown/Raymer as their tandem at right guard. Excuse me, but there would have been zero playoff games for the Skins. Dockery starts ahead of those two but that ain't sayin' much. He's been here long enough that he should be "really good" at least half the time out there. I'd say he's not tripping over his Johnson half the time out there but that's not quite the same as being "really good"...

So, even if you are 100% convinced that the Skins back-up at OT is the greatest thing since the mattress - I don't know because I didn't see much of any of them this year - that means the Skins need to replace 3 offensive linemen in the off-season. That's why I think this is their biggest need.

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WR without a doubt...even though we need more pass rush from the DL the defense is still managing to get the job done overall.

The offense gets nothing out of any WR other than Moss and it hurts them in a lot of games. Against good teams that can take away Moss it criples the passing game. They need a #2 WR that can get open against one on one coverage consistently.

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At least we appear to be on the same page with the team, this is from Boswell's article today

[quote]"We know it," said one Redskins source of the gaping need at wide receiver. "Believe me, we know it."
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First and foremost, get started renegotiating some contracts and get that cap down to a managable level. Only after that happens can they address the other areas.

Redskins need first off would have to be another WR threat. Someone has to come in and take at least SOME of the attention away from Santana Moss.

Second I would think maybe a little more depth on the defensive front and LB's. I really looks highly doubtful that Arrington will be back next season, and a little more depth should be a plus there.

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yea, we should let the Dallas fan direct this team in the offseason.

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it must be a wr or a special TE that can be split outside to compliment Moss and Cooley. I like Patten as our 3rd wr but we need a bigger frammed, somewhat speedy wr that we can send out slants and use as a redzone target. I'd also like to see the skins use moss a lot more like Carolina uses smith with quick hitches and more reverses as I see them as extremely similar players.

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I am a little surprised by the poll's outcome. I guess we do really all agree WR is the most important thing for us right now. I said WR by the way, nothing else gets close.

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Here's my list.......

1. No. 2 WR
2. Depth on the o-line
3. DE
4. Depth in the secondary (SS, CB)
5. Punter/Kicker

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WR. We need a bigger guy that can help in the redzone and on 3rd downs. Someone built kinda like Rod Gardner but that can catch.

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the reason seattle beat us because hassleback got to stand in the pocket all day and make plays.we need a flat out pass rusher.i dont care if its a linebacker or an end.we need someone who can get to the qb without the skins blitzing.patten is a proven #2 receiver

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I went WR but I also think SC is right about needing oline depth. I don't necessarily think Dockery needs replacing when a more pressing need would be depth in general. At least one guy who can play tackle, another who can play guard, one who can play both and a center. And if any of them look as clueless as Raymer then someone needs to get shot.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]And if any of them look as clueless as Raymer then someone needs to get shot.[/QUOTE]


I'm surprised no one started any threads about that.

Raymer was horrible!

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]Let me be clear here. I am not saying that adding help at WR is unimportant. That is VERY important. Taylor Jacobs is NOT ever going to be a top shelf WR in the NFL. I kinda felt that way at the beginning of last year but held out hope he could become an important contributor to thi team. He didn't; I'm now convinced he can't. James Thrash is a #3 WR and special teams player; that's it. Patten and Moss are solid but they are small and the Skins will need to have some depth there.

OK, does everyone understand that I agree that WR needs upgrading.

Now look at the OL. Sorry but Professor Dockery is only the starting guard on this team because the back-ups were 43-year-old Ray Brown and Cory Raymer. Both back-ups are way below par; imagine if Thomas had been injured in Week 4 and the Skins tried to go 3 months with Brown/Raymer as their tandem at right guard. Excuse me, but there would have been zero playoff games for the Skins. Dockery starts ahead of those two but that ain't sayin' much. He's been here long enough that he should be "really good" at least half the time out there. I'd say he's not tripping over his Johnson half the time out there but that's not quite the same as being "really good"...

So, even if you are 100% convinced that the Skins back-up at OT is the greatest thing since the mattress - I don't know because I didn't see much of any of them this year - that means the Skins need to replace 3 offensive linemen in the off-season. That's why I think this is their biggest need.[/QUOTE]

There is some validity to your statement, however buges and co felt dockery played awefully well this year, as did I. This is only his 3rd season, 1st playing w/ a healthy o-line. Olines take a few years to really start playing as a unit. I do think he will be a probowler for years to come. The backup at tackles are an unknown. Molinaro has impressed the staff enough to be on the roster, and actually filled in quite well when samuels was injured last season for a game or so. I feel the WR spot is in need of an upgrade, but as important over everything else I am just not sold. Patten historically has been a very productive 800 yard receiver. New offense, new staff, alot of thing contribute to a decline in numbers. I believe he will be a better receiver next year and provide some catches maybe up to 60 or 70. But, I dont think we want him taken a number of balls away from Cooley either. He is going to be a hell of a weapon once he get the over all knowledge of the schemes and NFL in general. I think we could get a decent WR in 3rd and maybe a gibbs guy in the 4th. DE is what I would draft, unless the Ramsey - Abraham thing works out. I do think we need upgrading in the secondary. Clark is a good run stopper, but his coverage skills need something to desire. a good coverage safety to compliment Taylor and the blitzing schemes of Williams could make them as dominant a unit in recent memory. Plus springs is old, as is walt harris and bowen. Jimoh is a big ? mark. How many of us felt comfortable with Jimoh going in the philly game and some dude off the practice squad? I would guess not many. I say if the FS from Notre Dame is there, we take him. He looks like a hell of an athlete and smart kid obviously.

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I like our starting 5 up front including Dockery.

Depth is an issue... Raymer was a mess against Seattle.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I like our starting 5 up front including Dockery.

Depth is an issue... Raymer was a mess against Seattle.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'd love to have 5 guys competing for pro bowl starting slots but I think for money's sake it is best to settle for better than average at one or two spots. I don't concur with SC that the only reason Dockery was starting was because our depth was so bad that there was anyone decent enough to challenge him. He is a starter on just about any team outside of teams with pro bowlers at both guard spots.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Here's my list.......

1. No. 2 WR
2. Depth on the o-line
3. DE
4. Depth in the secondary (SS, CB)
5. Punter/Kicker[/QUOTE]

thats pretty much how i see it as well. depth in the secondary, especially depth at cornerback is a must. that may be above the need for a DE

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I tend to agree
WR #2
CB #3
OL (2 quality G/T)
DL (DE #2, DT #3)
LB
K/P/KR/PR

i think we're also going to need at least one good (not great) LB too... holdman needs to move on and clemons is alright, but if lavar is gone (or even if he isn't) we have no legitimate depth there.

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I voted for WR of the choices listed, but I'm in agreement with SC on the O-line. I think we could stand to upgrade at LG and we need to really improve our depth and quality of depth in case of injuries.

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Yep! Depth on the OL and DL, Secondary, and Wide Receiver. Depth is the key to winning!

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I'll play devil's advocate. CB all the way. Our depth due to injuries at the end of this year had us playing Prioleau one on one for entire games. That sucks.

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Does anyone else think TE is a concern?? Is robert royal worthy of being re-signed??

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is it possible we will draft santanas brother Sinorice. obviously has to play like Santana and will very likely be availabe in the late 2nd round

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]Does anyone else think TE is a concern?? Is robert royal worthy of being re-signed??[/QUOTE]only for the league min.

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FRPLG:

You say Dockery starts for any team that does not have two Pro Bowlers starting at offensive guard. I believe that no team in the league has that luxury so do you REALLY mean to say that Dockery starts for any team in the NFL? That's not even close to right.

Dockery is better now than he was as a rookie but he's not all that much better than he was last year. And I fear that is "not good enough".

BTW, the Skins made it through 2005 with Samuels and Jansen at OT for about every snap of the ball on offense. That was a major factor in the OL's improvement over last year when Jansen was out and Samuels was playing at middling efficiency. Molinaro might have been satisfactory because he worked hard in practice and didn't cost a whole lot in terms of cap room - AND he didn't have to play a lot so that other teams could figure out if he has a huge hole in his game. He may be spectactular or he might be a stumblebum if he has to play 14 games next year. That's why this team needs OL depth - badly.

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i hate to join the bandwagon you guys got running here ,but i'll be the conformist and say wide receiver. A good #2 would really help the offense, provided brunell is healthy or campbell is ready to go. our defense, as long as it stays healthy, is one of the top defenses in the league.

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QB is an area we will only need to consider if Ramsey leaves. If he leaves there is no way we draft a backup. That guy will come from free agency.

RB we are pretty full. I think the team might make a decision on Ladell of Rock, and send the other man off to find more playing time. Either way, both these guys deserve a shot as a true number two back, or even a number one guy.

WR has to be the number one need. To be honest the only starting position that should really be in question is that number 2 wide out. All of our other starters seem pretty set.

TE might be an area of possible upgrade. Maybe more of a physical blocker, but all in all I think Royal will be back. He should become Bugel's bitch for this offseason to develop more of that blocking mentality.

OL will be thin if when we Raymer and with Brown hanging it up. This could be an area of drafting the best guy available when our pick is up.

DL depth is a non issue. We have 8 guys on the roster right now.

LB is only an issue if Lavar gets shipped out. Maybe keep Holdman for depth that knows the scheme. McCune could slide in to replace Lavar and maybe we bring back the rookies from Princeton and the Stanford as well as another veteran.

DB we must consider cutting Harris for cap room. Most likely he stays and provides good depth. We must consider drafting best available CB just like lineman to add young depth around our already solid group.

K/P If Hall can ever be healthy maybe he can be worth a crap. If Tupa is healthy I say we keep him. Who cares if he is old, some of the best punters and kickers kick until they are 45. Otherwise it’s up to free agency, because drafting a K/P is a gamble of a draft pick we cannot afford.

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We need Art Monk. (I know, Boswell said it--but he's right)--No one moved the chains like Monk. Gibbs O is crying out for a possession receiver.

Agree with the O-line depth. Hard to argue with. I hope Molinaro does pan out--that would really help. If not, we've got bupkes after the starting 5.

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I agree that another WR is in much need, but I do not want to write Patten off just yet. I would love to see us get a bigger possion WR, someone in the mold of Art Monk to complement the two speedsters that we currently have now. I think that if Patten did not get hurt this season we would have seen more production out of him as the year went on and teams realized that Moss had to be double covered at all times.

Patten was put on IR after the Tampa game. If you were to look at the stats Moss did not have a 100 yard game or a multiple TD game after we beat the 49ers(10/23/05) until the second NYGiant game(12/24/05). I think that is about the time frame when teams started to notice that Moss needed more attention than just 1 on 1. If Patten was healthy during that strech who knows what would have happend. All that we do know is that during that strech when Patten was out we relied on Thrash, until his injury, and Jacobs and we now know what they did for us, Zero!!!

If we could get a possion reciever and have Moss and Patten healthy, I would like to see us run WR screens to both Moss and Patten. Have one on the left and one on the right that way D's would not know which one was going to get the screen, also this would open up the middle for Cooley and who ever our possible new WR maybe.