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A lot of people critisized the Redskins for giving up so much for another QB. But if you really look at the trade we didn't give that much at all. Basically we gave up a 2nd rnd pick in '05 and a 4th rnd pick in '06 to move our 1st rnd pick in '06 to '05. That in it's self is a pretty good move, but when you factor in that now they are able to start grooming the next starting QB a year early it becomes an even better move. Actually I think this could end up being the move that cements the Redskins championship tradition for years to come.

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I agree with you. Though most will look at what we gave up, like with the Portis trade. You really can't measure the impact in terms of draft picks, especially if he turns out to be a really good QB.

The fact that he's already been in our "system" for a full year has already reaped some benefits for Campbell.

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It depends, you also have to take into account that Campbell was projected as a mid second rd pick, so to give up a #1, #2, and a #4 is quite excesive for a mid 2nd rd pick.

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[QUOTE=offiss]It depends, you also have to take into account that Campbell was projected as a mid second rd pick, so to give up a #1, #2, and a #4 is quite excesive for a mid 2nd rd pick.[/QUOTE]

I agree, on paper it was a helluva lot to give up. But let's just suppose Campbell wins one Super Bowl during his career with the Skins. Would it have been worth it?

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what it was criticized about the move is that everybody tought Campbell was an early second not first so it was said that washington gave 2 much for him and it will be valued once everybody knows is he is any good or a Bust thats at least 3 years from now

It like the bills dallas trade 2 years ago right now dallas has the upper hand dallas got Julius Jones, Ryan, M. Spears and Drew Bledsoe ( because the bills dump him because they had Losman and needed him 2 start ) for J.P Losman Advantage Dallas

or

SD trade with Atlanta 4 years ago

SD got D.Brees and LT and Atlanta got M.Vick advantage S.D

or

SD trade with NY 2 years ago

SD got Merriman and Rivers NYG Eli Manning right now the advantage is for NY because rivers seems it won't play in SD it all depends what SD gets from him and Eli took his team to the playofs on hsi second year.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]I agree, on paper it was a helluva lot to give up. But let's just suppose Campbell wins one Super Bowl during his career with the Skins. Would it have been worth it?[/QUOTE]


Here's how I would look at it, I am greedy when it comes to maximizing talent, and regardless if he wins a SB we could still have done better, we could have possibly kept more draft picks and win 2 SB's who knows, I am not a believer in overpaying for a player if I don't have to. But if he does win a SB you can't argue with it either.

On the other hand, if he doesn't win a SB how would this trade be viewed?

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We really didn't give up a 1, 2, & 4. we only gave up a 2 & 4 to use '06 #1 in '05. No matter what we used the pick for that in it's self is good value. The QB possition has to be the hardest to evaluate in the NFL. I can't tell you how many supposed 1st rnd guy's have been total busts, and how many late rnd guys have become franchise QB's. When ever you take a QB in the 1st rnd it's a huge risk I don't care where is ranked. My point is the fact that we have an extra year to develope our next QB. Whether he is Gibbs' Next Super Bowl QB or not really isn't the point.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Here's how I would look at it, I am greedy when it comes to maximizing talent, and regardless if he wins a SB we could still have done better, we could have possibly kept more draft picks and win 2 SB's who knows, I am not a believer in overpaying for a player if I don't have to. But if he does win a SB you can't argue with it either.

On the other hand, if he doesn't win a SB how would this trade be viewed?[/QUOTE]

Well, it would depend. I think if accumulates some amazing stats but no ring, people will always question the move. If he takes us to the big dance and wins, many will say it was a good move.

And if he does neither, well....

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Its easy to say now, but no one knew how good/bad we would be this year. Alot of people (not here) actually had us being a top ten pick, so hind sight is 20/20. Looking at it now though, I'm happy.

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washington had most likely heard that someone before the 2nd round was looking to draft campbell, so they pulled the trigger on a deal.

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[QUOTE=Dana87]We really didn't give up a 1, 2, & 4. we only gave up a 2 & 4 to use '06 #1 in '05. No matter what we used the pick for that in it's self is good value. The QB possition has to be the hardest to evaluate in the NFL. I can't tell you how many supposed 1st rnd guy's have been total busts, and how many late rnd guys have become franchise QB's. When ever you take a QB in the 1st rnd it's a huge risk I don't care where is ranked. My point is the fact that we have an extra year to develope our next QB. Whether he is Gibbs' Next Super Bowl QB or not really isn't the point.[/QUOTE]

And hence, there may lie the greatest ulitmate value to Campbell's career. [i]That one year of sitting may be the difference maker for him.[/i]

I know there are two schools of thought on that one. Some believe you get better by learning the system and playing later and some believe you should get in there, make your mistakes, and get aquainted with the system as you go along. Both have some merrit.

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It was actually a 3rd round pick in 2005 and 4th in 2006. We didnt have a 2nd rounder last year because we traded our 2005 2nd for a 2004 3rd (used to select Cooley...lets see you guys complain about THAT trade!).

A 3rd and a 4th is nothing to swap a 2005 1st for a 2006 if the picks are similar (which they are 25 and 22). Now if we had finished 2-14 it would be a different story!

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[QUOTE=offiss]It depends, you also have to take into account that Campbell was projected as a mid second rd pick, so to give up a #1, #2, and a #4 is quite excesive for a mid 2nd rd pick.[/QUOTE]


Brilliant Offiss!

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They made a trade to get into position to take aguy they wanted for the future. In doing so they gave up a 2nd and 5th rounder and simply moved the 1st rounder like Dana said. Everyone can say "well he was projected to go early second round" but if they wanted him and this was the only spot they could get then they didn't give up too much. How do we know they didn't have three other deals for later picks asking for the same amount or more. I don't think giving up a 2nd and 5th rounder to get a guy you really want is thta big a deal. If he turns out as good as they think no one will question it. The question will be whether people admit they were wrong. I know they'll gloat if he isn't as good as the Skins think.

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My problem with the move for Campbell had more to do with Campbell himself than what we gave up for him. I don't mind giving up any amount of picks for a spectacular QB who can lead us to a Super Bowl. Problem is, I just don't see Campbell as being that guy.......I've just never been sold on him.

At this early stage, I think it's far to early to try to guage whether it was a good move or not. Until he proves to be either great or a bust, how can we even argue the point?

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[QUOTE=Big C]washington had most likely heard that someone before the 2nd round was looking to draft campbell, so they pulled the trigger on a deal.[/QUOTE]

My guess looking back is that the Cleveland Browns would have taken him with the 3rd pick of the second round (they took Charlie Frye in that position if I'm not mistaken).

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[QUOTE=offiss]It depends, you also have to take into account that Campbell was projected as a mid second rd pick, so to give up a #1, #2, and a #4 is quite excesive for a mid 2nd rd pick.[/QUOTE]
They didn't. They gave up a 1,2 and 4 for a 1. You can quibble with who they took but logically that should be a seperate issue. If they ended up drafting the greatest QB in football history it wouldn't matter either. Was the amount you paid for the pick equal in value to what you got? I say it was somewhat steep but not overly steep. They then took Campbell which may have been a misuse in terms of value because they could have taken him later but I really doubt they simply traded up too high. These guys know what is going and for some reason I imagien they thought if they went any lower they took too great a risk.

This is not a comment on you offiss but so many people around complain that we don't draft well and then they complain when we trade the picks away to get a player we want. If we aren't drafting well what do they care if we traded pcisk awya since we don't use our picks in any good way anyways.

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21]At this early stage, I think it's far to early to try to guage whether it was a good move or not. Until he proves to be either great or a bust, how can we even argue the point?[/QUOTE]
You're right. It really is moot to discuss now.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]They didn't. They gave up a 1,2 and 4 for a 1. You can quibble with who they took but logically that should be a seperate issue. If they ended up drafting the greatest QB in football history it wouldn't matter either. Was the amount you paid for the pick equal in value to what you got? I say it was somewhat steep but not overly steep. They then took Campbell which may have been a misuse in terms of value because they could have taken him later but I really doubt they simply traded up too high. These guys know what is going and for some reason I imagien they thought if they went any lower they took too great a risk.

This is not a comment on you offiss but so many people around complain that we don't draft well and then they complain when we trade the picks away to get a player we want. If we aren't drafting well what do they care if we traded pcisk awya since we don't use our picks in any good way anyways.[/QUOTE]

My complaint is I want them to get it right with our picks, but it is true if we continue to pick poorly then it really isn't a big deal.

Although I will say this, we have picked fairly well in the first round, we havesn't had any seconds under Gibbs that I can remember, it's the later round picks that we have been lowsey with, and thats pretty much all will have this year, I believe we will have some wheeling and dealing to do before this draft hits, we can't sit pat on 1 #2 pick. Arrington I hope brings back some pick's.

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As amorentz said before me.

Last year our #2 was traded to New Orleans the year before to move up and draft Cooley.

We only traded a #3 last year and this years #1 and #4.

Much better than a #2.

And this years #1 is the #22 pick. Campbell was the #25.

I think at the time last year I was just as pissed as most of you, but now that Ramsey is pretty much on his way out, and we had a winning season, I feel a lot better about the move.

Its funny how winning can cure those worries.

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Who's to say we won't trade for someone's #1 THIS year?

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We banked on having a winning record this year when making the Campbell decision.

BTW, San Diego is way ahead of the Giants on the Eli trade IMO. They got Merriman, Rivers, and their kicker for that little punk Eli, who rode Tiki to the playoffs.

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I think that kind of is a lot to move up into the bottom portion of the 1st round. I think it was worth it though since they were able to get a young QB they like into the system a year earlier than they would have otherwise. And the fact that they would have only picked in the 20's thanks to making the playoffs it makes it more acceptable. Had the skins drafted top 10 again this year I would have been real mad to have to give it to Denver.

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I also believe we gave way too much up for a guy that had one good season. Plus the fact he had,not one, but two all american running backs behind him. also one of the best defenses in the country. You figure we have a 7th rounder or 6th rounder for Brunell, 1st rounder for Ramsey, and actually 4 picks all totaled for Campbell. thats 6 draft picks, and 5 of those six are sitting their asses on the bench. Now, Campbell could turn out to be a pretty damn good QB, but that is alot to give up on a "hope so". Especially if he was to be a second rounder. We could have traded our # 1 for a #2 and #4 or so and still got him, plus a pick. It neither here nor there right now, we will see come next year.

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I think we payed a premium to get a young QB in place the Gibbs likes to start learning and holding the clip board. Hopefully...Campbell paid attention and actually learned something this season....

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We traded a 1,3,4 not a 1,2,4. I hardly think that is a premium to pay for a qb of the future. Basically all we gave up was the 3 and 4 to move up one full year in the draft. All in all not a bad deal at all. And considering Denver wasted one of their 3d rounders on Clarrett, who cares. Didn't help them any, and we have cut some of those late round picks from the last two years, because our team has good depth already. I am not upset at all about this trade.

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It's not that bad only becasue we made the playoffs and our pick is in the 20's. It was a gamble, becasue if the skins picked in the top 10 again the trade would have been a disaster...