Musgrave Moving On?
 

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Washington Redskins quarterbacks coach Bill Musgrave will interview with the Falcons this morning, the team confirmed.

Atlanta asked for and received permission on Monday to speak to Musgrave. He coached Falcons backup quarterback Matt Schaub in college and is familiar with Atlanta's running and passing game.

The Redskins recently hired Al Saunders as offensive coordinator. The Washington Post reported that all of the Redskins assistant coaches recently received contract extensions.

The Falcons have been interviewing candidates to replace quarterbacks coach Mike Johnson, whose contract was not renewed.

Musgrave appears to be high on the Falcons' list based on his experience playing in the NFL and serving as an offensive coordinator in the league as well as at Virginia, where he coached Schaub in 2001-02.

Musgrave, a backup quarterback with San Francisco and Denver, has coached quarterbacks in Oakland, Philadelphia, Carolina and Jacksonville, serving as offensive coordinator with the Eagles, Panthers and Jaguars as well.

The Falcons hope to find a coach who relates well to starter Michael Vick and Schaub and can improve their effectiveness in coordinator Greg Knapp's version of the West Coast offense. Knapp also works with quarterbacks.

Musgrave also has experience working with left-handed quarterbacks — Vick is a lefty — having worked with Mark Brunell in Jacksonville and Washington.

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If Musgrave leaves, the Redskins will be in fine shape now that they have added Saunders. I wish Musgrave the best!

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Interesting... I wonder if Saunders wants to bring someone in or if Musgrave is simply looking at what else is out there for him.

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I'm sure Saunders is looking to pony up with some of his favorite staff to make the trip.

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The Washington Post does mention that Al's son Bob, most recently an offensive assistant with KC, may be coming here in the offseason.

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[QUOTE=scowan]If Musgrave leaves, the Redskins will be in fine shape now that they have added Saunders. I wish Musgrave the best![/QUOTE]

Hmm. I'd like to see Musgrave stay for the purposes of continuity, but if Saunders can bring in some guys that develop as offensive coordinator candidates to eventually replace Saunders, that would seem to work out fine.

I always thought that if he ever got another shot, Musgrave would be a better offensive coordinator than he was with the Jags. I think he's probably learning a lot under Gibbs. But if Saunders can bring in some guys, then I suppose we're none the worse for the wear.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Hmm. I'd like to see Musgrave stay for the purposes of continuity, but if Saunders can bring in some guys that develop as offensive coordinator candidates to eventually replace Saunders, that would seem to work out fine.[/QUOTE]

At some point, there's going to be friction between coaches with conflicting offensive philosophies. Musgrave's a "Walsh Coast" guy, while Saunders is a "Coryell Coast" guy -- basically the opposite end of the spectrum. Of all the assistant coaches, this move would surprise me the least. The shotgun formation will likely be scrapped, and I imagine Gibbs and Saunders will get their heads together for a new quarterback coach to fit in more with their scheme.

It'll also help with defusing all of the "too many chefs in the kitchen" flak that the team will undoubtedly get.

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I'm pretty sure KC used the shotgun though.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I'm pretty sure KC used the shotgun though.[/QUOTE]

They may have. The shotgun basically gives the defense a major clue as to what play is about to be run, and according to what I've read over the past few days, that's something that Saunders deliberately avoids.

Now I wished I'd payed more attention to KC games this year.

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losing musgrave isnt that big a deal to me.he was only here one season and if you look at it like a trade,all of us would trade musgrave for saunders

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]They may have. The shotgun basically gives the defense a major clue as to what play is about to be run, and according to what I've read over the past few days, that's something that Saunders deliberately avoids.

Now I wished I'd payed more attention to KC games this year.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like they do use it

[quote]Gibbs sees virtue in running a play until the defense stops it, but Saunders preaches unpredictability. With that in mind, the Chiefs often ran out of the shotgun formation and passed out of traditional under-center formations, and would often run on third and five or longer and pass on second and short. Saunders almost never called the same play out of the same formation twice in the same game -- or even in a string of games.
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Musgrave definitely helped, as Brunell played much better this year than last. But still having a qb coach who is more in tune with Saunders/Gibbs' offense should help, and his son is probably as good as anyone to teach what Saunders' wants the qbs to do.

All I needed to know about KC's offense is that Indy has scored 27 points a game for the last four years and finished #2 to KC over that time period. Add in a stint shaping the greatest show on turf and Saunders is our guy.

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Good riddins, no big lose, it's not like we some kind of elite offense or anything, what has this guy's coaching abilities really done for us?

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[QUOTE=offiss]Good riddins, no big lose, it's not like we some kind of elite offense or anything, what has this guy's coaching abilities really done for us?[/QUOTE]

Career best numbers for Brunell??

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]

The Falcons hope to find a coach who relates well to starter Michael Vick and Schaub and can improve their effectiveness in coordinator Greg Knapp's version of the West Coast offense. Knapp also works with quarterbacks.
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Schaubs entering the final year of his contract and there a lot of people down here including myself that think that the Falcons could get a 1st or 2nd round pick for Schaub (a la Rob Johnson or AJ Feely). The Lions seem like a likely suitor but that was more so when Mooch was still around.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Career best numbers for Brunell??[/QUOTE]

True, but what happened in the playoffs? Give me Saunders.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72][QUOTE=offiss]Good riddins, no big lose, it's not like we some kind of elite offense or anything, what has this guy's coaching abilities really done for us?[/QUOTE]

Career best numbers for Brunell??[/QUOTE]

From 30th in yards to 11th?

From 31st in points to 13th?

Got Jack Burns "promoted" to Special Offfensive Assistant (or some such nonsense)?

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Is anyone else worried that it could take Saunders some time (as in a couple of years) to get adjusted to these players and these other coaches? More specifically, if it does take some time, is anyone else worried that Gregg Williams may have moved on or Gibbs may have re-retired by then?

I don't really think this will be a problem, I mean just look how fast Williams turned our D around, but i still have to wonder. Sometimes I feel like we're making such a hard push for a Super Bowl that it won't be able to last more than a few years.

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[QUOTE=memphisskin]True, but what happened in the playoffs? Give me Saunders.[/QUOTE]

What happened in the playoffs? Yes, the offense was horrible.

But on the other hand there were 24 other teams that wish they had that option this year.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]What happened in the playoffs? Yes, the offense was horrible.

But on the other hand there were 24 other teams that wish they had that option this year.[/QUOTE]

Hear, hear!

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Yea Brunell looked like a top flight QB? Even a broken clock is right twice a day, if you throw 300 passes 5 yards or less your stats are going to be inflated. Whoever thinks Brunell is a better QB now than he was in his prime is nut's, and when you site his numbers as carreer best, that is what you are doing.

It's funny how last year doesn't matter when comparing Ramsey to Brunell, yet it does when comparing Brunell to brunell?

How on earth could anyone, and I mean ANYONE, not improve on the numbers Brunell put up last year? You would have to be dead and burried to to put up worse numbers.

Brunell was horrid when it counted, he ran into some good defenses, and well coached defensive schemes our last 3 games, and folded like a cheap suit, does Brunell deserve the credit, or Musgrave? Personally I think they are a perfect match, our offense looked a lot like Jacksonvilles previously, perhaps thats why they tossed Musgrave and Brunell to the curb. I am curious what were Brunells numbers the last 3 games?

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Raise your hand if you'd like to see one, JUST ONE, thread that doesn't turn into yet another Ramsey vs. Brunell debate

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[QUOTE=offiss]Yea Brunell looked like a top flight QB? Even a broken clock is right twice a day, if you throw 300 passes 5 yards or less your stats are going to be inflated. Whoever thinks Brunell is a better QB now than he was in his prime is nut's, and when you site his numbers as carreer best, that is what you are doing.

It's funny how last year doesn't matter when comparing Ramsey to Brunell, yet it does when comparing Brunell to brunell?

How on earth could anyone, and I mean ANYONE, not improve on the numbers Brunell put up last year? You would have to be dead and burried to to put up worse numbers.

Brunell was horrid when it counted, he ran into some good defenses, and well coached defensive schemes our last 3 games, and folded like a cheap suit, does Brunell deserve the credit, or Musgrave? Personally I think they are a perfect match, our offense looked a lot like Jacksonvilles previously, perhaps thats why they tossed Musgrave and Brunell to the curb. I am curious what were Brunells numbers the last 3 games?[/QUOTE]

Man, why does it seem like you have an axe to grind with Brunell?

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Raise your hand if you'd like to see one, JUST ONE, thread that doesn't turn into yet another Ramsey vs. Brunell debate[/QUOTE]

:stop: that's as close as I could get to raising my hand without having the guy laughing.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Raise your hand if you'd like to see one, JUST ONE, thread that doesn't turn into yet another Ramsey vs. Brunell debate[/QUOTE]

I have both hands up-Sincerely, Patrick Ramsey

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No one is actually arguing for Ramsey are they???

Losing Musgrave won't matter. What will Danny do with that extra million????
I don't worry about Saunders coming in because he will run a variation of Gibbs' offense. I am sure Saunders has a QB coach in mind.

I really wouldn't be surprised if there was some more coaching turnover. They have so many guys it is bound to happen. The big guns are there and that is what really matters.

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offiss, behave your self

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Looks like a done deal now.

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Michael Vick has a new tutor and the Falcons finally have a new quarterbacks coach.

Bill Musgrave, who most recently coached quarterbacks with the Washington Redskins, was hired by Atlanta Tuesday, coach Jim Mora said. Musgrave, who interviewed for roughly three hours Tuesday morning with Mora and offensive coordinator Greg Knapp, was scheduled to take a real estate tour before returning to Washington Tuesday afternoon and was unavailable for comment.

He begins his new job Monday, Mora said. Musgrave replaces Mike Johnson, whose contract was not renewed after the season.

Musgrave's hire was deemed 'huge' by Mora because he has played and coached in the West Coast scheme the Falcons utilize. Musgrave was a backup to Steve Young with the San Francisco 49ers and to John Elway in Denver.

Mora also said Musgrave can offer some new perspective to the Falcons' system because he has served as an offensive coordinator in Philadelphia, Carolina, Jacksonville and the University of Virginia, where he coached Falcons backup quarterback Matt Schaub.

Having played quarterback in the NFL also should help Musgrave relate to the team?s young quarterbacks, Mora said.

Mora even went so far as to say that Musgrave's knowledge of what the Falcons want to do with their quarterbacks is already so sound, that Knapp can relinquish some of his control of coaching quarterbacks and concentrate more on formulating the entire offense and weekly game plans.

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Brunell's numbers are what they are, I really don't see what's so bad with 3050 yards, 23 TDs and 10 INTs.

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With Musgrave going to the Falcons, I guess this thread is dead? oh well, on to the next anti-Brunell post! So much pro-Ramsey swill to post...............so little time.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]What happened in the playoffs? Yes, the offense was horrible.

But on the other hand there were 24 other teams that wish they had that option this year.[/QUOTE]

Huh? My point is that while Musgrave did help Brunell improve, and while the offensive did enjoy a statistical renaissance during the regular season all that went out the window in the playoffs. We returned to tight formations and Brunell started spraying the ball again.

And Matty, there's nothing wrong with Brunell's numbers last year. But where was that guy in the post season?

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I'd just love for Brunell to stay healthy all season OR if he DOES get hurt to have the balls to say that he's hurting the team and step down.

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It's definetely done: even the Post has it!

[URL=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/24/AR2006012400888.html]Musgrave Leaving Redskins for Falcons[/URL]

Wonder if Saunders will bring someone in--or maybe Gibbs himself will do it?

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]They may have. The shotgun basically gives the defense a major clue as to what play is about to be run, and according to what I've read over the past few days, that's something that Saunders deliberately avoids.

Now I wished I'd payed more attention to KC games this year.[/QUOTE]


KC did use the Shotgun formation ( I remember watching KC play a few times this year other than the Redskins game,) but it wasn't an automatic assumption everytime KC got into a 3rd and long situation. I like the idea of using it sparingly. I believe making it an automatic thing on long yardage downs tends to make it easier to stop.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Raise your hand if you'd like to see one, JUST ONE, thread that doesn't turn into yet another Ramsey vs. Brunell debate[/QUOTE]

Consider my hand raised.

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[QUOTE=JWsleep]It's definetely done: even the Post has it!

[URL=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/24/AR2006012400888.html]Musgrave Leaving Redskins for Falcons[/URL]

Wonder if Saunders will bring someone in--or maybe Gibbs himself will do it?[/QUOTE]

This will be interesting. Now that Saunders has control over the offense, Gibbs and Burns would have the opportunity to take over coaching the quarterbacks.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]This will be interesting. Now that Saunders has control over the offense, Gibbs and Burns would have the opportunity to take over coaching the quarterbacks.[/QUOTE]

Excellent...sorry, I see the name Burns and I just have to say it

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Joe knows QB's

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Well, there's one less chef in the kitchen now. I always had the feeling that Musgrave was more or less just passing through. If you look at his resume, he has rarely stayed in one place very long. As far as I can tell his longest stint was two years at UVA. I also notice in the Press Guide that he coached with Buges in 1997 at Oakland. [b][i] I did not know that[/i][/b].

I don't expect any more departures from the Offensive staff. Anyone disagree?

I also like the idea of bringing in [b][i]Monty[/i][/b] Burns...

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