Trade for Ogunleye?
 

The more he speaks out about not wanting to play without a contract, then perhaps the less Miami would want to get him in a trade. I dont know if it would be worth giving our first rounder up for him, theres speculation hes only good when hes opposite double teamed Jason Taylor, but he would definitly be an upgrade for us.

Associated Press
MIAMI -- Miami Dolphins defensive end Adewale Ogunleye plans to miss a minicamp for the first time in his career this week, and he said he'll sit out the start of the season unless he receives a better contract offer.



Ogunleye, who led the AFC last year with 15 sacks and made the Pro Bowl for the first time, said he won't sign the one-year, $1.824 million tender the Dolphins extended to him. He's seeking a five- to seven-year deal after making a base salary of $375,000 last year.



"I'm coming off a Pro Bowl year," Ogunleye said Wednesday. `They've gotten basically a steal. They should be happy."



Ogunleye spoke from New York, where he's visiting family. He's not participating in the Dolphins' offseason program, and he said he'll be absent when the team opens its first mini-camp Friday.



If necessary, Ogunleye said, he'll sit out the first 10 games this year, then make himself available for the final six games so he can become a free agent after the season.



Training camp begins in July, and Miami opens the season Sept. 12. Ogunleye said he's not sure the Dolphins are convinced he's willing to hold out.



"I think it might come down to when I miss that first game," he said. "I think that's when it's going to be, `OK, he's serious.' And by then it might be too late."



Dolphins general manager Rick Spielman described such scenarios as "hypotheticals that we don't need to deal with right now."



Ogunleye is a restricted free agent but received no offers this offseason from other teams.



Two teams in the market for free-agent help at defensive end, Seattle and Philadelphia, signed Jevon Kearse and Grant Wistrom, respectively. Each received a signing bonus of at least $14 million.



"The market is set," Ogunleye said. "There should be no debate. Are you trying to stick it to me for some reason? That's the way I'm looking at it."



Spielman said the Dolphins consider Ogunleye an important part of the team.



"He played very well last year," Spielman said. "Where we're at right now is that he's a restricted free agent who had the highest tender placed on him, and as long as he has not signed that, he will not be at mini-camp because he's not under contract."

i think he'd probably be too expensive contract wise and trade wise since we don't have a 2nd rounder next year and the dolphins wouldn't take anything less than that i would think unless this becomes a situation like TO in San Fran or Boston in San diego, when those teams were willing to give up said players as long as they got something in return. i've watched the dolphins quite a few times the past couple years and sure it doesn't hurt him to have taylor on the other end of the d-line, but Ogunleye is no slouch of a de by himself.

I guess it would be great to have him, I think with Daniels on the other side they could make some big plays, but I don't really see Daniels as an everydown DE. If it was my decision to make I would probably not mess with trying to get him.

Its too much of a risk. I doubt this guy has ever seen a double team, with Taylor on the other side.

[QUOTE=Carnage]Its too much of a risk. I doubt this guy has ever seen a double team, with Taylor on the other side.[/QUOTE]

he saw his share of double teams when taylor was out of the game or when he was getting good pressure on a cosistent basis in a game, the dt sometimes got shifted to him.

but he is kinda on the smallish side for a de.

No way! He has a good year and want's the world! I say put up the numbers for a few years in a row and then we will see.

[QUOTE=Riggo44]No way! He has a good year and want's the world! I say put up the numbers for a few years in a row and then we will see.[/QUOTE]

he had 15 sacks last year and 10 the year before. ever since he was put in as a regular starter, he's lit up the backfield.

We don't have the cap space. Again, it looks like the only real trade we could make would be for Samuels. I don't like it, but if we could find some other way, he'd be a big upgrade at DT.

yea its not like this guy had one year that he was good and now wants the big payday. Hes benn good ever sine he was put in, and he made 375000 last year, thast nothing for a probowl player. They should give him a new contract, or trade him. He woudl definitly be a force with Griffin and daniels, and if they double team him then we blitz lavar to his side, problem solved.

A he is better then anybody we got but we shoud not give a first round draft pick for him.

I dunno, a probowl end, or the 32nd pick in the draft?!? kinda tempting.

I say wait for hugh douglas to get cut in June see how much he wants, that would be an awsome pick up

he would be cheaper, or should be atleast. Hes old and wanst productive last year and is out of shape now. If by June 1st hes in shape and wants to redeem him self with a small one year deal, then id say get him.

I love the the skins but i do not think they going to when the superbowl this year.So that pic first round pick we can us.we need to stop trading picks we will save alot more money. we don't need a bigtime name we need people who love the game and plays hard

Still if I were miami I would offer better than just one year. I think he's worth the risk of a 3 year deal say in the range of 4.5 mil. Ofcourse i can say that because its not MY $4,500,000.

[QUOTE=hi-jinx]Still if I were miami I would offer better than just one year. I think he's worth the risk of a 3 year deal say in the range of 4.5 mil. Ofcourse i can say that because its not MY $4,500,000.[/QUOTE]

yeah, and it's like he's some over the hill living off of past accomplishments(see Bruce Smith), the guy is like 26-27 years old.

he wont sign a 4.5 million dollar deal for one year, he wants atelast a 15 million dollar signing bonus. He thinks he deserves that much as is going to try and makeup for the money he didnt get last year, or this year if no one signs him. Hed be stupid to sit out, no one wants to pay big bucks to a guy that took a year off.

Solid... but he wouldn't have been a pro-bowler without jason taylor on the other side and zack thomas behind him. He's not worth what he thinks he is.

[QUOTE=EEich]Solid... but he wouldn't have been a pro-bowler without jason taylor on the other side and zack thomas behind him. He's not worth what he thinks he is.[/QUOTE]

well it's not like he won't be surrounded by talent here either. but it all depends on not only the contract price he wants but also how much it'd take to get miami to give him up.

Did I get his stats wrong or did he not play the whole season last year. I kinda remeber he only played 12 games. Is that injury or just didn't play?

[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]well it's not like he won't be surrounded by talent here either. but it all depends on not only the contract price he wants but also how much it'd take to get miami to give him up.[/QUOTE]
I disagree... He'll be double teamed most of the time on the Redskins line where he wasn't in Miami because the DL was much more talented. My point was that he's not worth the money he's asking for.

Ogunleye is a stud. Just b/c Taylor is on the other side shouldn't diminish his abilities. A lot of teams have a great DE but how many of them have the other DE lead the AFC in sacks?

This guy was undrafted due to an injury his senior season at Indiana. He comes back and starts in his 2nd year and immediately takes off.

He is on the smaller side but you could say the same about Hugh Douglas.

With him, Daniels and Wynn, I think that would be a great rotation that could supply some much needed pass rush. I would say it's a sure thing that he gets at least 10 sacks next year...

Sorry. I don't think he's worth the price he would cost regardless of his talent. Maybe I am wrong, but I have seen nothing to indicate that he is a "game changer". For the money he is demanding and the trade price Miami will be demanding, it seems to me the player has to be that kind of stellar.

Also IMHO, although the same could have been said about Portis, the rules are the rules. For the first four years of your career you belong to the team that first signed you UNLESS you are sooooo good that you can convince someone to pay you big bucks and give up a first and third when you become an RFA.

If Ogunlewe follows the rules and is really as good as he thinks he is, sign the tender, buy yourself a huge injury insurance policy, play the year out, and then cash in as a UFA. If he is willing to sit out now rather than sign his tender, play his ass off, and set himself up for next year, then two things are true: First, he is an idiot b/c his cash value goes down unless he lights it up the last six games and, second, he ain't the kinda guy I want on my team.

If we really really want him. Wait a year and get him at a reduced cost on the UFA market. If he actually sits out, we could probably outbid everybody next year and still not pay as much as he is demanding now.

His price tag is way too high and he's had the benefit of playing with Jason Taylor on the other side. He seems like this years' Peerless Price. A good #2 guy who thinks he's a #1.

That's an apt analogy. You can't judge a player in a vacuum. If a player lines up opposite Jason Talyor or Eric Moulds you can't just look at the stats.

I call it the "Barry Wilburn Theory". How did this guy get 9 interceptions one season? Well, because people were throwing at him all the time rather than challenge #28 on the other side

Lets hope that doesn't become the Fred Smoot theory too.

Nah people were challenging Bailey all the time too he looked very human at times last year..