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Beemnseven 01-30-2006 01:41 PM

Theismann Vs. Peter King...right now on ESPN Radio
 
Subject-- Why King won't vote Art Monk into the Hall of Fame

On the Dan Patrick show right now!

TheMalcolmConnection 01-30-2006 01:42 PM

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Can I listen online?

MTK 01-30-2006 01:45 PM

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Damn... wish I could hear this, we really need a detailed recap!

cpayne5 01-30-2006 01:47 PM

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[url]http://www.espnradio.com[/url]

cpayne5 01-30-2006 01:49 PM

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I'm recording it now. Will post it when its over.

cpayne5 01-30-2006 01:58 PM

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Up in 3 mins.

cpayne5 01-30-2006 02:00 PM

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[url]http://www.skinsfan.us/redskins/pKingOnMonk.mp3[/url]
~4.5megs

celts32 01-30-2006 02:23 PM

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That was a dud interview. Dan P never challenged him on anything. peter just said that he doesn't wield power with other voters like Joe T said he does and that was the end of it.

Peter called Monk a local argument and implied the the football world as a whole does not care that MOnk is not in.

MTK 01-30-2006 02:25 PM

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All of my friends who know anything about football are just as puzzled as I am over the fact that Monk isn't in.

offiss 01-30-2006 02:25 PM

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This guy is such a hypocrite, he's not voting for Monk because no one outside of DC cares? Yet he pushes for Harry Carson? As if anyone outside of NY can remember the guys name.

It's funny how he backs Curtis martin and say's that he hopes that his anonimity doesn't hurt him on the ballot, sounds a lot like Monk doesn't it.

Russ Grimm over Monk? We all love Russ but lets be real. Monk held all time NFL records, most catches in a season, most consecutive games with a catch, and the all time leader with receptions, ALL TIME!!!!!!

Obviously there is something else there, Monk should have been a first ballot no brainer, and that's why I don't put a lot of stock in popularity contests, such as the pro-bowl and the hall of fame, are they truly about talent? Or just a matter of being one of the boy's?

irish 01-30-2006 02:26 PM

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I'm sure nobody besides redskins fans care whether or not AM is in the HOF.

I"m not surprised the interview was a dud, the DP show itself is a dud. It just not worth listening to anymore.

12thMan 01-30-2006 02:27 PM

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[QUOTE=offiss]This guy is such a hypocrite, he's not voting for Monk because no one outside of DC cares? Yet he pushes for Harry Carson? As if anyone outside of NY can remember the guys name.

It's funny how he backs Curtis martin and say's that he hopes that his anonimity doesn't hurt him on the ballot, sounds a lot like Monk doesn't it.

Russ Grimm over Monk? We all love Russ but lets be real. Monk held all time NFL records, most catches in a season, most consecutive games with a catch, and the all time leader with receptions, ALL TIME!!!!!!

Obviously there is something else there, Monk should have been a first ballot no brainer, and that's why I don't put a lot of stock in popularity contests, such as the pro-bowl and the hall of fame, are they truly about talent? Or just a matter of being one of the boy's?[/QUOTE]

Dude, for the first time in a while I totally agree with you.

Good post.

TheMalcolmConnection 01-30-2006 02:31 PM

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I've already said to Gmanc and cpayne over IM that sports writers shouldn't hold so much weight in the voting system. It should be up to a number of groups, specifically players, coaches and MOST IMPORTANTLY fans. Just because you write about sports what gives you the authority to or not to immortalize a deserving player?

dmek25 01-30-2006 02:31 PM

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does anyone know the reasoning behind monk not getting in?his stats support him to the hall

Beemnseven 01-30-2006 02:40 PM

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In a nutshell for those that missed it...

[B]Theismann says[/B] that Peter King has so much influence among Hall of Fame voters, that since he won't vote Art Monk in, nobody else will either.

[B]Peter King replies --[/B]

1. He doesn't have the influence Theismann thinks he does.

2. He's not saying he'll [I]never[/I] vote Art Monk in, and that he does keep an open mind on the subject. He admits that there's a compelling argument that Monk should be in, but he'd put Russ Grimm in before Monk. Says that if someone tells him something about Monk that he hasn't heard before, he'll consider it.

3. He's not hearing from opponents and others throughtout the league and other cities that Monk deserves to be in -- it's only from former teammates of Monk, and those in circles around Washington D.C.

There you have it ... and like you've read from other posts, they're right, it wasn't much of an interview. No challenges from Dan Patrick, nothing about the disparity in numbers comparing Art Monk to say, Lynn Swann. Nothing. Pretty lame.

skins052bgr8 01-30-2006 02:49 PM

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Dumb ass! I will support T.O to be in the Hall of Fame, but monk is not deserving. Doesn't the hall represent the best of the best in the NFL and you want those involved to be respected and instill pride in the game. T.O you have got to be shittin me, true the guy can ball but damn he single handedly has made two organizations he has been associated with look like shit and a complete embarrassment. He's got my vote that is what we are looking for and want to be the example that players have to go off of to get into the Hall of Fame beside greats like Joe Gibbs. Very fitting don't you think.

Hog1 01-30-2006 03:23 PM

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[QUOTE=offiss]This guy is such a hypocrite, he's not voting for Monk because no one outside of DC cares? Yet he pushes for Harry Carson? As if anyone outside of NY can remember the guys name.

It's funny how he backs Curtis martin and say's that he hopes that his anonimity doesn't hurt him on the ballot, sounds a lot like Monk doesn't it.

Russ Grimm over Monk? We all love Russ but lets be real. Monk held all time NFL records, most catches in a season, most consecutive games with a catch, and the all time leader with receptions, ALL TIME!!!!!!

Obviously there is something else there, Monk should have been a first ballot no brainer, and that's why I don't put a lot of stock in popularity contests, such as the pro-bowl and the hall of fame, are they truly about talent? Or just a matter of being one of the boy's?[/QUOTE]


Good post chief!

MTK 01-30-2006 03:33 PM

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Support T.O.?

Please, what has he done at this point in his career to be even mentioned in a discussion regarding the Hall??

backrow 01-30-2006 04:02 PM

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[QUOTE=skins052bgr8] I will support T.O to be in the Hall of Fame, but monk is not deserving. [/QUOTE]


I missed something in the translation.

I thought the thread was about PK not voting for Art Monk, and the D. Patrick show. I totally missed how TO quietly crept in.

And you and I disagree sir. Art Monk deserves to be in the HOF, hands down!

We don't even need a poll for this question! His statistics do not lie!

The HailRedskins.com forum has many HOF voters with their e-mail addresses, which is now shown below. So, you might want to flood their in-boxes.


Arizona Kent Somers, Arizona Republic [email]kent.somers@arizonarepublic.com[/email]
Atlanta Furman Bisher, The Atlanta Journal [email]fbisher@ajc.com[/email]
Baltimore Scott Garceau, WMAR-TV [email]garceau@wmar.com[/email]
Buffalo Mark Gaughan, Buffalo News [email]mgaughan@buffnews.com[/email]
Carolina Charles Chandler, Charlotte Observer [email]cchandler@charlotteobserver.com[/email]
Chicago Don Pierson, Chicago Tribune* [email]dpierson@tribune.com[/email]
Cincinnati Chick Ludwig, Dayton Daily News [email]cludwig@daytondailynews.com[/email]
Cleveland Tony Grossi, Cleveland Plain Dealer [url]http://www.cleveland.com/weblogs/hey...il_author.html[/url]
Dallas Rick Gosselin, Dallas Morning News* [email]rgosselin@dallasnews.com[/email]
Denver Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News [email]legwoldj@rockymountainnews.com[/email]
Detroit Jerry Green, The Detroit News* [email]jergreen@prodigy.net[/email]
Green Bay Cliff Christl, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel [email]cchristl@journalsentinel.com[/email]
Houston John McClain, Houston Chronicle* [email]john.mcclain@chron.com[/email]
Indianapolis Mike Chappell, Indianapolis Star [email]mike.chappell@indystar.com[/email]
Jacksonville Sam Kouvaris, WJXT-TV [url]http://www.news4jax.com/contact/index.html[/url]
Kansas City Bob Gretz, KCFX Overland Park, KS Unknown
Miami Edwin Pope, Miami Herald* [email]epope@herald.com[/email]
Minnesota Sid Hartman, The Minneapolis Star-Tribune [email]sidh@startribune.com[/email]
New England Ron Borges, Boston Globe Unknown
New Orleans Pete Finney, Times-Picayune 504-826-3802
New York (Giants) Vinny DiTrani, Bergen Record [email]ditrani@northjersey.com[/email]
New York (Jets) Paul Zimmerman, Sports Illustrated go to cnnsi.com
Oakland Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange [email]fcooney@sportsxchange.com[/email]
Philadelphia Paul Domowitch, Philadelphia Daily News [email]pdomo@aol.com[/email]
Pittsburgh Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette [email]ebouchette@post-gazette.com[/email]
St. Louis Bernie Miklasz, St. Louis Post-Dispatch [email]bjmiklasz@post-dispatch.com[/email]
San Diego Jerry Magee, San Diego Union Tribune* [email]jerrymagee@uniontrib.com[/email]
San Francisco Ira Miller, San Francisco Chronicle* [email]imiller@sfchronicle.com[/email]
Seattle John Clayton, ESPN/ESPN Magazine go to espn.com
Tampa Bay Ira Kaufman, Tampa Tribune [email]ikaufman@tampatrib.com[/email]
Tennessee David Climer, The Tennessean [email]dclimer@tennessean.com[/email]
Washington Len Shapiro, Washington Post* [email]Badgerlen@hotmail.com[/email].

saden1 01-30-2006 04:52 PM

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Tedy Bruschi a HOFer? No way! And since when are players voted in to represent a "team?"

FRPLG 01-30-2006 04:58 PM

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I could understadn if this guy was simply a hard ass about who to vote in. But he seems like a two bit whore who'll let anyone have a go. Curtis Martin? Harry Carson? Tedy Bruschi? He actually thinks these people deserve to be in the hall! And not Monk? That makes no sense whatsoever. Clearly he is both misguided and must have a problem with Monk. What a sad sack of poo this guy is.
I too know NOT ONE PERSON who thinks that Monk not only should be in the hall but that he is also being royally shafted not having been a first balloter. This seriously one of the most perplexing things in sports today to me. How anyone can think he doesn't deserve to be in is BEYOND beyond me.

saden1 01-30-2006 05:02 PM

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]I could understadn if this guy was simply a hard ass about who to vote in. But he seems like a two bit whore who'll let anyone have a go. Curtis Martin? Harry Carson? Tedy Bruschi? He actually thinks these people deserve to be in the hall! And not Monk? That makes no sense whatsoever. Clearly he is both misguided and must have a problem with Monk. What a sad sack of poo this guy is.
I too know NOT ONE PERSON who thinks that Monk not only should be in the hall but that he is also being royally shafted not having been a first balloter. This seriously one of the most perplexing things in sports today to me. How anyone can think he doesn't deserve to be in is BEYOND beyond me.[/QUOTE]


Curtis Martin is a HOFer.

Beemnseven 01-30-2006 05:10 PM

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[QUOTE=saden1]Curtis Martin is a HOFer.[/QUOTE]

I'd have to disagree on that one. Martin has been solid, dependable, and a workhorse, but to say that his career warrants a guaranteed Hall of Fame spot is a little much, in my opinion.

Some guys are great football players who are on the cusp of the Hall, but fall just short. Curtis Martin is exactly that type of player to me.

SmootSmack 01-30-2006 05:26 PM

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]I'd have to disagree on that one. Martin has been solid, dependable, and a workhorse, but to say that his career warrants a guaranteed Hall of Fame spot is a little much, in my opinion.

Some guys are great football players who are on the cusp of the Hall, but fall just short. Curtis Martin is exactly that type of player to me.[/QUOTE]

What bout Bettis?

Arrows over NFC East 01-30-2006 06:47 PM

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Curtis Martin and Art monk same people they both fly under the radar. Stats dont lie, but stupid ass writers who know nothing more then what they want to eat are complete dumbasses. Idiot probably thinks marvin harrison doesn't deserve it because he doesn't like to be in the spotlight.

wolfeskins 01-30-2006 07:47 PM

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]What bout Bettis?[/QUOTE]



you know, i've never considered bettis to be a hof rb but his stats are pretty impressive. he'll get voted in. monk should have already been voted in.

Beemnseven 01-30-2006 08:01 PM

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]What bout Bettis?[/QUOTE]

No. He probably ranks just a bit higher than Martin, if for no other reason than his numbers which are going to finish in the Top Five.

To me, the criteria for establishing a player's spot in the HOF is consistent domination of opponents for several years. Art Monk at many times dominated the game. He held the single season reception record for many years, at a time when 100 or more receptions was unheard of.

If I had a vote, neither Martin nor Bettis would get into the Hall.

SmootSmack 01-30-2006 08:08 PM

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]No. He probably ranks just a bit higher than Martin, if for no other reason than his numbers which are going to finish in the Top Five.

To me, the criteria for establishing a player's spot in the HOF is consistent domination of opponents for several years. Art Monk at many times dominated the game. He held the single season reception record for many years, at a time when 100 or more receptions was unheard of.

If I had a vote, neither Martin nor Bettis would get into the Hall.[/QUOTE]

I just wondered if you thought maybe two SB appearances, including a possible ring this Sunday, would put Bettis over the top. I'm sort of torn on it.

Just like I'm torn about whether guys like Andre Reed, Henry Ellard, and Jimmy Smith should also join.

saden1 01-30-2006 08:28 PM

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]No. He probably ranks just a bit higher than Martin, if for no other reason than his numbers which are going to finish in the Top Five.
[/QUOTE]

I'm I missing something or does [URL=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/MartCu00.htm]Martin[/URL] have better numbers than [URL=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BettJe00.htm]Bettis[/URL]?

wolfeskins 01-30-2006 08:35 PM

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[QUOTE=saden1]I'm I missing something or does [url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/MartCu00.htm"]Martin[/url] have better numbers than [url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BettJe00.htm"]Bettis[/url]?[/QUOTE]

wow, they are pretty darn close in a bunch of stats.

saden1 01-30-2006 08:52 PM

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]wow, they are pretty darn close in a bunch of stats.[/QUOTE]

Except Martin has played two years less (11 years to Bettis' 13 years), has 439 yards more rushing, 1880 more receiving yards. and 6 more combined rushing and receiving TDs. If Martin isn't a HOFer, I don't know who is.

NM Redskin 01-30-2006 08:54 PM

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Receptions: 5 th all time
Receiving yards: 9 th all time
Nuff said!

wolfeskins 01-30-2006 08:59 PM

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[QUOTE=saden1]Except Martin has played two years less (11 years to Bettis' 13 years), has 439 yards more rushing, 1880 more receiving yards. and 6 more combined rushing and receiving TDs. If Martin isn't a HOFer, I don't know who is.[/QUOTE]


martin has definately put together a very impressive career, i'd say people in ny would want him in just as bad as poeple around dc want monk in.

looking at the stats, i don't see how either one of them(monk, martin) can not be voted in.

SmootSmack 01-30-2006 09:06 PM

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[QUOTE=saden1]I'm I missing something or does [URL=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/MartCu00.htm]Martin[/URL] have better numbers than [URL=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BettJe00.htm]Bettis[/URL]?[/QUOTE]

Let me throw Marshall Faulk into the mix, does he get in?

bigmarley4 01-30-2006 09:43 PM

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I'd say Faulk, Monk, Martin, and Bettis are all in...

Isn't Faulk like top-3 all time in combined yards from scrimmage (with Brian Mitchell in there of course too)

Pocket$ $traight 01-30-2006 10:22 PM

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Marshall Faulk isn't even a question. Monk, Martin, & Bettis never dominated their position like Faulk. Plus Faulk carried the Rams to a title.


I think that Bettis should get in before Martin. The Steelers have been a contender for years on his shoulders. My problem with Martin is that I have never considered him an elite back (I guess Bettis isn't either but his teams have been consistently better).

Honestly, you could make a case that neither should make it. Monk, should definitely make it before both of them. He has the rings...

skinsfanthru&thru 01-30-2006 10:56 PM

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[QUOTE=backrow]I missed something in the translation.

I thought the thread was about PK not voting for Art Monk, and the D. Patrick show. I totally missed how TO quietly crept in.

And you and I disagree sir. Art Monk deserves to be in the HOF, hands down! [/QUOTE]

to be fair skins052bgr8 was saying it was bs for TO to be considered in the same conversation with Monk and deserving to be in the HOF.

I think PK's argument was pretty weak, cuz I'm sure that for a lot of players going to the HOF, it's mainly just the area around where he played that cares a lot about whether or not said player gets voted in. I know there r a couple non-redskins here and there that I hope get in but the main ones I keep an eye out for are former great Skins and I'm pretty sure most fans of the nfl are like that. All I'm saying is if Darrel Green gets anything like the shaft job Monk has gotten, I will be among the many skins fan sending letter after letter to the HOF and it's voters and will even do protests if need be.

FRPLG 01-30-2006 11:22 PM

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[QUOTE=saden1]Curtis Martin is a HOFer.[/QUOTE]
I'd agree. Is he a better HOFer than Monk? Not even close. That's the point.

skinsfanthru&thru 01-31-2006 01:13 AM

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]I'd agree. Is he a better HOFer than Monk? Not even close. That's the point.[/QUOTE]

yeah I agree cuz while I think Martin is a heck of a rb, Monk retired in the top 5 in all of the important wr statistics and in some cases even the all time leader at the time and that's despite the team having several good recievers and the team running the ball the majority of the time.

70Chip 01-31-2006 02:22 AM

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Saying Harry Carson should be in is like saying Mel Kauffman should be in. These New York guys really live in a world of their own. What we need to do is pick an anti-Monk voter at random and give the guy the business for a solid year and then pick another and so on.


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