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All i can say is it's pretty sad to only see one coach in the middle of the field after the game. I have no more respect for Holmgren because he didnt show one once of respect to Bill Cowher.

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why no handshake?

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you didnt see bill out in the middle of the field with that look on his face...wheres mike? unless mike did the handshake behind the so called scenes.

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[QUOTE=Hail2em]All i can say is it's pretty sad to only see one coach in the middle of the field after the game. I have no more respect for Holmgren because he didnt show one once of respect to Bill Cowher.[/QUOTE]

i felt bad for holmgren because he just lost the super bowl. I think it's a stupid way to lose respect for someone because they had some unwanted emotions. Sure, it would've been a nice gesture and show of respect, but just because they didn't shake hands doeesn't mean that holmgren has no respect for cowher. I guess you could say the same thing about Joe gibbs after that first dallas game in 2004, where he barely even looked parcells way before walking away.

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I'm sure the two coaches will have words behind the scenes... if they didn't share a handshake at midfield who cares.

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holmgren was prolly to buisy chasing the refs with a knife. if i was a hawks fan i'd be extremely pissed. that officiating was as one sided as i've ever seen. it felt like i was watching the skins vs. pitt. it was so bad.

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its common courtesy to shake hands, its disrespectful not to i dont care if they just lost the super bowl. kinda like college basketball, after the game u shake hands, if one coach just ran off that would be pretty low

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it is a show of respect to the other coach to shake hands. Players do it after the game, and coaches have always done it. Its far more offensive to not do it after a Super Bowl win. I thought it was a classless move and Coher looked like he was really pissed. I am sure something will come out in a day or two.


the game sucked anyway. One of the worst Super Bowls from start to finish. The pregame shows, half time show, all of it was pretty forgetable.

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If I coached as poorly as Holmgren did last night I would have wanted to get off the field as quickly as possible too! He's probably embarrased to show his face!

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I know "The Ego" ;) would ban all threads discussing handshakes if he could, but maybe we can put this one to rest as moot:

[quote]And, finally, on Cowher. The Jaw got an NFL title in his 14th season as Pittsburgh's coach, the longest tenure in the NFL. The tough guy, who lost his only previous Super Bowl 10 years ago to Dallas, teared up as he walked to midfield, Terrible Towels waving everywhere around him, and [u]embraced Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren[/u].[/quote]

[url="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060206/ap_on_sp_fo_ga_su/fbn_super_bowl"]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060206/ap_on_sp_fo_ga_su/fbn_super_bowl[/url]

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]I know "The Ego" ;) would ban all threads discussing handshakes if he could, but maybe we can put this one to rest as moot:



[url="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060206/ap_on_sp_fo_ga_su/fbn_super_bowl"]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060206/ap_on_sp_fo_ga_su/fbn_super_bowl[/url][/QUOTE]


Both coaches have mad respect for the other. I found it hard to believe either one would purposefully disrespect the other.

I find it even harder to believe that people get so crazy about postgame handshakes.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Both coaches have mad respect for the other. I found it hard to believe either one would purposefully disrespect the other.

I find it even harder to believe that people get so crazy about postgame handshakes.[/QUOTE]

I was just kidding - I didn't see this one as an issue, especially, as you said, given the great respect between these two. But, it seems that it [u]really[/u] isn't an issue since they did see each other after the game.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]I was just kidding - I didn't see this one as an issue, especially, as you said, given the great respect between these two. But, it seems that it [u]really[/u] isn't an issue since they did see each other after the game.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't singling you out, I'm just talking in general people get so freaked out about the postgame handshakes. It's pretty comical.

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A totally no class move by Mike.

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I would refer everyone to [url=http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=150153&postcount=10]post #10[/url]. If that article is wrong, then fine - point it out. However, it says Holmgren and Cowher met up, so this is really a non-issue.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]

I find it even harder to believe that people get so crazy about postgame handshakes.[/QUOTE]

Coaches shaking hands after the game is as much a tradition as singing the national anthem before the game. If the post-game hand-shake weren't such a big deal, the coaches would just wave at each other in acknowledgement during the dying minutes of the game, or call each other on a cell phone or something.

No excuse for not shaking hands after a regular season game. If you don't, its clearly an ego thing.

Holmgren is a classy guy.

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What happens at the end of a Super Bowl is highly scripted by the network and the NFL, so what's routine in every other game -- coaches running across the field to shake hands -- is totally overwhelmed by the staging of the trophy presentation, the confetti, the media, cutting away for commercials, etc. etc.

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[QUOTE=Hail2em]All i can say is it's pretty sad to only see one coach in the middle of the field after the game. I have no more respect for Holmgren because he didnt show one once of respect to Bill Cowher.[/QUOTE]

cannot comment upon that but i will say that i cannot think of a worse game manager coach of a superbowl team than holmgren was in this game and in his loss as a packer coach to the broncs. he is atrocious. game managemnt, clock management, being in sync with his qb--- he was really really bad.

truly an overrated coach for the big game. he was hurt by his players droppping passes. he was hurt by the penalties and bad calls. but he really stunk as head coach

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[QUOTE=shallyshal]cannot comment upon that but i will say that i cannot think of a worse game manager coach of a superbowl team than holmgren was in this game and in his loss as a packer coach to the broncs. he is atrocious. game managemnt, clock management, being in sync with his qb--- he was really really bad.

truly an overrated coach for the big game. he was hurt by his players droppping passes. he was hurt by the penalties and bad calls. but he really stunk as head coach[/QUOTE]

I really don't think you can call Mike Holmgren an overrated coach. He's taken a team to the Super Bowl three times. True, he's 1-2 in those games, but he made it at least. I especially don't think you can put this loss squarely on his shoulders, after some questionable calls by the refs, a few dropped passes by a tight end talking trash before the game, and the defense giving up three big plays. That's not being overrated as a head coach, that's on the players.

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[QUOTE=mooby]I really don't think you can call Mike Holmgren an overrated coach. He's taken a team to the Super Bowl three times. True, he's 1-2 in those games, but he made it at least. I especially don't think you can put this loss squarely on his shoulders, after some questionable calls by the refs, a few dropped passes by a tight end talking trash before the game, and the defense giving up three big plays. That's not being overrated as a head coach, that's on the players.[/QUOTE]

Did you see the ends of each half? Now, whether he couldn't figure out how to run a 2 minute offense, or whether his players weren't prepared to execute it, most of the blame still falls on him as a coach. I don't remember the particulars of his SB loss while in Green Bay, but someone else mentioned that it was similar.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Did you see the ends of each half? Now, whether he couldn't figure out how to run a 2 minute offense, or whether his players weren't prepared to execute it, most of the blame still falls on him as a coach. I don't remember the particulars of his SB loss while in Green Bay, but someone else mentioned that it was similar.[/QUOTE]




i posted this in another thread but i'll post it again in this one. holmgren out coached bill cower last night. the seahawks came out gunning, they moved the ball at will against the steelers defense. the seahawks defense held pitt. to NO first downs the entire first quarter, they caused big ben to have the worse qb rating ever for a sb winning qb. jeremy stevens and the pittsburge refferees were the reasons behind seattle's short commings. the only thing holmgren did wrong was call a running play with little time left at the end of the first half and punt the ball back to pitt. with 6 minutes remaining in the game. other than those two mistakes he called a great game . you can't blame holmgren for his TE dropping passes and for those horrible refs. all that confussion at the end of the first half was hasselback's fault, he was trying to audible to a different play.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]i posted this in another thread but i'll post it again in this one. holmgren out coached bill cower last night. the seahawks came out gunning, they moved the ball at will against the steelers defense. the seahawks defense held pitt. to NO first downs the entire first quarter, they caused big ben to have the worse qb rating ever for a sb winning qb. jeremy stevens and the pittsburge refferees were the reasons behind seattle's short commings. the only thing holmgren did wrong was call a running play with little time left at the end of the first half and punt the ball back to pitt. with 6 minutes remaining in the game. other than those two mistakes he called a great game . you can't blame holmgren for his TE dropping passes and for those horrible refs. all that confussion at the end of the first half was hasselback's fault, he was trying to audible to a different play.[/QUOTE]

the last 2 minutes of each half were horrible, holmgren is in charge of his players, that houldn't happen.

stevens sucked, but they kept throwing to him anyways.

If holmgren really did outcoach the steelers, he'd have a ring right now.

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Steelers won. Handshake is traditional show of gratitude if nothing else for the cameras and the fans. I think it's real lame of Holmgren not to shake hands. Sure its a spectacle after the gun, but other coaches have shaken hands under far worse outcomes. Holmgren prospered in a division with STL 6-10, AZ 5-11 and San Fran 4-12. So 6 wins come off that piss poor division. Won't interject here that the Redskins and the Seahawks tied in NFC wins/losses, but I will say that Seattle had an easy home road to the SB while Pittsburgh played their #6 seed spot on the road since the wildcard game. Jeremy Stevens? Bust. Alexander (even thought league MVP: proved he's a nonfactor in post season play) will be gone next season. Hasselbeck glad to have an appearance in the SB, he'll never see those days again. Holmgren should be replaced after the easiest season in his career not being able to show up in the big game. Sure the offensive interference call was bs but how many games have a call or 2 that is purely human error? All of them! Did Ben get in? Ref couldn't tell til he saw the ball and replay was honestly inconclusive. Seattle was overrated and deserved to be exposed by the hand of a #6 seed team that beat Denver and Indy on the road in the playoffs. Booyah! Seattle will not win their division next season and perhaps won't see a wildcard birth either. Toast to another 'pretender' being shown out; ie the Philadelphia Eagles.

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I agree the steelers won, but what makes you think seattle won't win their division? their D is young and uner contract (dbs arent great), but there's no gaping holes and the other teams in their division will be awful next year too. 6 wins a year helps you get in the playoffs.

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[QUOTE=Luxorreb]Steelers won. Handshake is traditional show of gratitude if nothing else for the cameras and the fans. I think it's real lame of Holmgren not to shake hands. Sure its a spectacle after the gun, but other coaches have shaken hands under far worse outcomes. Holmgren prospered in a division with STL 6-10, AZ 5-11 and San Fran 4-12. So 6 wins come off that piss poor division. Won't interject here that the Redskins and the Seahawks tied in NFC wins/losses, but I will say that Seattle had an easy home road to the SB while Pittsburgh played their #6 seed spot on the road since the wildcard game. Jeremy Stevens? Bust. Alexander (even thought league MVP: proved he's a nonfactor in post season play) will be gone next season. Hasselbeck glad to have an appearance in the SB, he'll never see those days again. Holmgren should be replaced after the easiest season in his career not being able to show up in the big game. Sure the offensive interference call was bs but how many games have a call or 2 that is purely human error? All of them! Did Ben get in? Ref couldn't tell til he saw the ball and replay was honestly inconclusive. Seattle was overrated and deserved to be exposed by the hand of a #6 seed team that beat Denver and Indy on the road in the playoffs. Booyah! Seattle will not win their division next season and perhaps won't see a wildcard birth either. Toast to another 'pretender' being shown out; ie the Philadelphia Eagles.[/QUOTE]

Well, to say a Super Bowl team is overated is highly debatable. I agree they play in a soft division, but to me that takes nothing away from their Super Bowl appearance. Because they beat who they had to beat to get there.
That's what really matters.

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On another Holmgren note, ESPN radio reporting, apparently Holgren called out the officiating of the game stating, (to paraphrase) "playing the Steelers was tough enough. I didn't know we would be playing the officiating staff as well". [b]That[/b] will be expensive!

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Poor Holmgren. He felt slighted. Every team that lost in the playoffs feels slighted. GET OVER IT! YOU LOST! TRY AGAIN NEXT YEAR!

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[QUOTE=That Guy]
If holmgren really did outcoach the steelers, he'd have a ring right now.[/QUOTE]



you think cower was the better coach in that game ? he had every major call by the refs go his teams way plus cower doesn't even call the plays. the steelers made 3 good plays all night. thats it 3.

the pass to ward on 3rd and long (i say it was luck but i'll give it to ya)
the long td run by parker
the trick play


holmgren had a great gameplan and it was working effectively until the refs got involved and stevens started dropping passes.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]you think cower was the better coach in that game ? he had every major call by the refs go his teams way plus cower doesn't even call the plays. the steelers made 3 good plays all night. thats it 3.

the pass to ward on 3rd and long (i say it was luck but i'll give it to ya)
the long td run by parker
the trick play


holmgren had a great gameplan and it was working effectively until the refs got involved and stevens started dropping passes.[/QUOTE]

Let's throw the ball on third and long with :30 left in the game, down by 2 scores instead of kicking a field goal. Yeah - that's some stellar playcalling right there. :rolleyes:

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Let's throw the ball on third and long with :30 left in the game, down by 2 scores instead of kicking a field goal. Yeah - that's some stellar playcalling right there. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]


ok you kick the field goal. what next, oh yea, try an onsides kick, they work all the time. if by chance you get the onsides kick, believe you me hasselback will be throwing the ball 30 yards on 3rd down as well as 1st , 2nd and possibly 4th.

come on , get real. the game was well over at that point. the refs would not have allowed a miracle come back by seattle.

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Holmgren's gameplan was great in the first quarter, when they actually threw to DJax. 5 catches in the first quarter, none for the rest of the game. Nice Holmgren. Way to expose the Steeler's crappy secondary.

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[QUOTE=skindogger47]Holmgren's gameplan was great in the first quarter, when they actually threw to DJax. 5 catches in the first quarter, none for the rest of the game. Nice Holmgren. Way to expose the Steeler's crappy secondary.[/QUOTE]



jeremy stevens was their way but he was having trouble catching. holmgrens game plan was perfect but his players didn't execute well enough. when the players did play well the refs steped in and put a stop to it.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]come on , get real. the game was well over at that point. [u]the refs would not have allowed a miracle come back by seattle.[/u][/QUOTE]

Um...yeah - I'm the one that needs to get in touch with reality... :rolleyes:

Fact is, he botched the last couple of minutes of both halves, not to mention he was mediocre at best for a good portion of the second half. It doesn't make him an awful coach, but it sure makes your claim that he "perfectly coached 58-59 minutes out of 60" sound a bit silly.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]the refs would not have allowed a miracle come back by seattle.[/QUOTE]

btw, offiss could use a little help ;)
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=11005[/url]

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Um...yeah - I'm the one that needs to get in touch with reality... :rolleyes:

Fact is, he botched the last couple of minutes of both halves, not to mention he was mediocre at best for a good portion of the second half. It doesn't make him an awful coach, but it sure makes your claim that he "perfectly coached 58-59 minutes out of 60" sound a bit silly.[/QUOTE]


holmgren botched or his players botched ? i say his players. i don't think i said he was perfect for 58,59 minutes but what i did say was he had a perfect gameplan and that he coached well for 58, 59 minutes. the gameplan was good, it was the execution that faultered.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Um...yeah - I'm the one that needs to get in touch with reality... :rolleyes:

.[/QUOTE]


if you don't believe that the officiating was one sided and had a direct impact on the outcome of the game then yes, you are out of touch with reality.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]
holmgren had a great gameplan and it was working effectively until the refs got involved and stevens started dropping passes.[/QUOTE]


the gameplan obviously wasn't that great if it required throwing to a guy with teflon hands 30 times a night.

and where was his great gameplan in the last 2min of each half? he's the head coach he's who told or allowed his qb to audible when he wanted to.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]if you don't believe that the officiating was one sided and had a direct impact on the outcome of the game then yes, you are out of touch with reality.[/QUOTE]

i'm not really sure what your problem is, but I think all this crackpot conspiracy stuff is a little over the top and that statement up there is highly ironic.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]if you don't believe that the officiating was one sided and had a direct impact on the outcome of the game then yes, you are out of touch with reality.[/QUOTE]


Parcells was interviewed on the radio tuesday, and was asked what he thought about the officiating? And he said he never critisizes the officials and wasen't going to start now, but he did say that he felt that those penalties determined the outcome of that game. He kind of in a round about way blamed the officiating by saying those calls were tough.

Personally I think that game raised a lot of eyebrows of suspicion about the legitamcy of the game.

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[QUOTE=Hail2em]All i can say is it's pretty sad to only see one coach in the middle of the field after the game. I have no more respect for Holmgren because he didnt show one once of respect to Bill Cowher.[/QUOTE]

Just to follow up on the original post in this thread:

[url]http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9214984[/url]

"Nobody saw Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren and Steelers coach Bill Cowher shake hands after Super Bowl X-tra L-arge, but nobody should interpret it as a rift. It was more a miscommunication.

The two coaches were supposed to meet at the 25-yard line. Holmgren went to one 25-yard line, Cowher to the other, and they never got to engage in the traditional hand-shaking act that most coaches do after every game.

While they each waited and looked for the other, the madness and grandiosity of the game swallowed them. Nobody was going to find anybody at that time. Finally, Holmgren opted to head to the locker room.

Later, in the Seahawks locker room, the two coaches caught up with other, with Holmgren congratulating Cowher on joining the fraternity of Super Bowl winning coaches. With nobody watching, the two shook hands and spoke.

Not only was there no feud between the two, but it's just the opposite. The two really like each other, so much so that after each won the conference championship, they spoke on the telephone and congratulated each other."