The Fix Is In?
 

what a game? What a joke, if anyone doesn't believe that the NFL minupulates the outcome of these games through the officials your only kidding yourselves! The Seahawks are the last team the NFL wanted to see in the SB, who would they promote on that team? Hasselbach? Alexander? Not 2 of the biggest personalities to put on the face of the NFL are they. But Big Ben, the bus, those are great stories for the promotion of the NFL product, I say product because I now believe that the competition between teams is secondary, it's now which team can we promote to the top to make us the most money? To win in the NFL these day's you better have personality at the key positions, or look out you will have to overcome more than just the opposing team to win it all.

In defense of the Steelers they overcame the same nonesense in the Colt game, as if anyone didn't know the NFL was creaming their pant's to see Peyton finally get to the SB, the ultimate poster boy for the NFL, it was a good job by the Steelers to overcome that big of an obsticle.

I am starting to have the same feeling towards the NFL as I have towards boxing, I gave up on boxing because I just could no longer believe the sports legitamacy, and once you can't believe that it's not fixed you might as well watch professional wrestling.

I have a feeling something is going to happen with this in the next couple of years, we are already hearing grumblings from players, Joey Porter accused the NFL of trying to fix the game with the Colts, and guess what? You didn't hear basically boo about that statement, infact I find it kind of ironic he didn't recieve a fine? Now Holmgren is attacking officials, and I have yet to hear anything about a fine from the NFL, perhaps Gibbs should be asking for a refund? These latest accusations are so dangerous that the NFL doesn't want to remotly acknowledge them so the do not gain any momentum whatsoever. The sour grapes excuse works for the NFL when we are ripped because they hate Snyder, but when the entire country watches this nonesense it certainly makes deniablity of minipulation much more difficult.

I know there are plenty of people who will refuse to believe that some of these games are heavily minupulated, and thats fine. But remember, it's alway's tough as a kid when you first hear Santa Claus is a fake! And that super bowl screamed fix! It was not fixed for gamblings sake, but for maximixing the product of the NFL, the Steelers represented the hot babe on the front page, where as the NFL looked at the Seahawks as needing a bag over their head!

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

I think nothing was said by the NFL because there is no sense in responding to such a stupid and baseless comment. If anyone is manipulating games I guarantee its not the nfl.

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

Elvis is alive too.

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

I truly refuse to believe there's some kind of conspiracy theory.

To me it seems like a "Can't see the forest for the trees situation."

A lot of people would love to believe that the Seahawks were shafted in the game, but seriously do you think that if the Seahawks would have won the NFL product would have been any less popular? I mean go back to a Tampa Bay team that had hardly a following a few years ago, a Super Bowl win TRANSLATES to NFL growth. Say Seattle wins the Super Bowl, that would create more "bandwagon" fans and have more fans come out of the woodwork. Being that Seattle isn't exactly what you'd call a "football city" one would think that having a Super Bowl champion would at least bring about a bit of hype.

I don't think that one team or another winning the Super Bowl hurts the "product" of the NFL. It might just be me but I don't think that anyone LOVES a dynasty unless you're a fan of the team in question. I know that I, for one, HATED when the Patriots were dominant year in and year out. It's nice to have a change once in a while.

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

In addition to that, I don't think the sale of Big Ben, Bettis or Alexander jerseys dropped any.

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Elvis is alive too.[/QUOTE]
and aliens landed 50 years ago

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

Players make mistakes and the ref's make mistakes. The Skins had games with bad calls against use and had games the bad calls helped us. I will be the first to agree that there were some bad calls in the game but I just don't buy into to the game is fixed thing. Santa Clause is fake? I saw him this year in the mall drinking beer at Ruby Tuesday during one of his breaks.

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

Nah, it's not fixed. I just believe that Seattle made enough mistakes that any "bad" call against them was going to play a major role in the outcome of the game. Winning teams find ways to win regardless of the officiating. Seattle couldn't do it.

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

i always thought it was crazy but why not?? Porter can yell shit about it along with everyone and their mothers crying about Polamalu's INT vs. the Colts but now it happens against them. Porter accussed them of the same thing 3 weeks ago. The Refs were horrible. Is it fixed? I really really really don't think so but is it impossible?

Where?????
 

[QUOTE=steveo395]and aliens landed 50 years ago[/QUOTE]
Was that New Mexico??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

[QUOTE=skinsguy]Nah, it's not fixed. I just believe that Seattle made enough mistakes that any "bad" call against them was going to play a major role in the outcome of the game. Winning teams find ways to win regardless of the officiating. Seattle couldn't do it.[/QUOTE]

Well if and I say IF the fix was not on that says a lot about the NFL refs!!!! :frusty: They are so bad and wow most everything about that game sunday was bad. :insane: Yet each week on the NFL network you have them telling us just how good the Refs are and what call that week wasn't a miss call! This NEEDS TO BE FIXED! :headbange

The Super Bowl was Rigged and I Have Proof!
 

[font=Times New Roman][size=3]A transcript of the conversation between Paul Tagliabue and Gene Upshaw, in which they discuss rigging the Super Bowl:[/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[size=3][font=Times New Roman]Tagliabue: Hey Gene![/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[size=3][font=Times New Roman]Upshaw: What?[/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[size=3][font=Times New Roman]T: I am a very, very devious man, and I have an idea.[/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[size=3][font=Times New Roman]U: Talk to me, Pauly.[/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[size=3][font=Times New Roman]T: This idea could go down in history as the single most boneheaded conspiracy. Ever.[/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[size=3][font=Times New Roman]U: I am intrigued. Tell me more![/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[size=3][font=Times New Roman]T: You and I stand to gain absolutely nothing by doing this, but I wanna do it anyway, because I'm a conniving little rascal.[/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[size=3][font=Times New Roman]U: Keep going! Keep going![/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[size=3][font=Times New Roman]T: This is like the Chicago Blacksox, Pete Rose, and Danny Almonte all rolled into one. Only this is with football.[/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[size=3][font=Times New Roman]U: Tell me already or else I'll strike on your ass![/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[size=3][font=Times New Roman]T: LET'S RIG THE SUPER BOWL![/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[size=3][font=Times New Roman]U: Giggity giggity giggity! It's so stupid it's almost brilliant![/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[size=3][font=Times New Roman]T: Tell me about it! I already make over 8 figures a year, but that's worth risking a very very negligible benefit for the NFL as a whole.[/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3]U: You're such a team player.[/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3]T: Indeed. Keep in mind that if anyone were to find out about this, we would be shunned, fired, and potentially prosecuted for our acts. The NFL’s product would lose its legitimacy, and fans all around the country would stop watching. But who cares? I want one for the thumb, biatch![/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3][/size][/font]

[size=3][font=Times New Roman]Anyone who alledges the NFL fixes games is merely babbling in an emotional tirade rather than thinking about the situation logically.[/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[size=3][font=Times New Roman]Right now the NFL is at its zenith, and it is only going to grow more popular and more profitable. Whether the NFL stands to gain something by having certain teams succeed over others is a matter of debate, but regardless of the truth of that matter, the NFL would be crazy to try to influence games. By compromising the integrity of the sport, they stand to lose much more than they have to gain. If it were discovered that games were fixed, the sport would be permanently crippled.[/font][/size]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font]

[font=Times New Roman][size=3]Also, when you say "the NFL wanted the Steelers to win" exactly who are you referring to? The refs? Tagliabue? The owners, or the player's association? Because the refs stand to gain absolutely nothing by fixing the game; their salaries are set from day one and are not influenced by how much the NFL is worth. Same applies to Tags. The owners and players do, theoretically, stand to gain money by increasing the value of the NFL as a whole, but as I've already stated, the risk is not worth the reward.[/size][/font]

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

There weren't even that many bad calls in that game. The pass interference call was iffy, but either way I think it was close. I think D Jack pushed off, that's just me, whatever the case, Patten got called for less on a TD catch against Denver so that call is out.

The big one is the holding call when Seattle had the big play nullified. That one was obviously a bad call, but you never know, the refs get the number wrong all the time, it could have been on someone else on the line.

The Big Ben TD: there was no doubt that you stay with the call on the field, there wasn't enough evidence to overturn it. I think he got in, but I don't know.

The Hasselbeck low block was total BS. That was a terrible call, but it was only 15 yards. That's not that big of a deal

What I think is lost in all this is the fact that Seattle came to the biggest game of their lives and couldn't deal with a little adversity. It was a tough game, but you're supposed to be one of the best teams in the league and then a few calls don't go your way and you can't respond? That's just sad. It pisses me off that Holmgren's crying about it and it's retarded if people think that the game was set up to screw Seattle.

Re: The Super Bowl was Rigged and I Have Proof!
 

I agree 100% with last 2 paragraphs....I want 30 seconds back of my life for the top section though!:Smoker:
(Talking about DCOP's post)

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

offiss head

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

it wouldn't surprise me if the game was fixed, i do believe games and/or other sporting events have been fixed before, so why not the nfl ? that was definately the worse officiated game that i have ever seen, and every bad call went against seattle. they were not just little, petty calls. they were major, game changing calls.
taking a td away from seattle
giving a td to pitt.
taking away first and goal from seattle

thats 17 or 21 points.

Re: The Super Bowl was Rigged and I Have Proof!
 

all i know is the nfl loves good stories , and whats a better story than the steelers, being the 6th seed win the super bowl with the 2nd youngest qb in it's history and in detroit where the beloved bus is from and will retire after winning his only championship.


was the game fixed ? who knows but to simply say that there is no way it could have been is being naive. the people who run the nfl are very powerful people. powerful people can do powerful thing without anyone knowing.

Re: The Super Bowl was Rigged and I Have Proof!
 

Say what you will about this Super Bowl, but I will be GOD DAMNED if the Patriots/Raiders AFC Championship game a few years back wasn't rigged. Not even citing the invention of the tuck rule as evidence, though that is a perfectly good argument. But when the Raiders took a timeout when the Pats didn't have any so that a ground crew could shovel snow for 35 seconds around where the Pats were kicking their field goal, when any snow there at all would have prevented the kick from going in. Not to mention earlier in that drive when Brady clearly did not get out of bounds and they stopped the clock anyway.

And how many people here just knew in their heart that Vanderjagt was going to miss that field goal? I knew he'd miss it, just not by 30 ****ing yards. Vegas and politics rule sports. It was also funny that another Seahawks touchdown would have not only covered the spread, but the over as well. You just have to watch the game like you watch the commercials--it's all a production.

Re: Where?????
 

My friend who is a die hard Steelers fan was watching the game and laughing the entire time, telling me how fixed the game was. I didn't disagree with him. Human error has been a scapegoat for consistent ridiculous calls. That's the problem, is the consistency with which these calls are made, and that they are not as "random" as some would like to believe.

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Elvis is alive too.[/QUOTE]

Yea, I heard he was partying with Biggie and Tupac at the Super Bowl!

Re: The Super Bowl was Rigged and I Have Proof!
 

I'm going to merge this with a similar thread already started by Offiss

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/brainalishi/nd1qaa.jpg[/IMG]

dispute that

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

[QUOTE=jdlea]There weren't even that many bad calls in that game. The pass interference call was iffy, but either way I think it was close. I think D Jack pushed off, that's just me, whatever the case, Patten got called for less on a TD catch against Denver so that call is out.

The big one is the holding call when Seattle had the big play nullified. That one was obviously a bad call, but you never know, the refs get the number wrong all the time, it could have been on someone else on the line.

The Big Ben TD: there was no doubt that you stay with the call on the field, there wasn't enough evidence to overturn it. I think he got in, but I don't know.

The Hasselbeck low block was total BS. That was a terrible call, but it was only 15 yards. That's not that big of a deal

What I think is lost in all this is the fact that Seattle came to the biggest game of their lives and couldn't deal with a little adversity. It was a tough game, but you're supposed to be one of the best teams in the league and then a few calls don't go your way and you can't respond? That's just sad. It pisses me off that Holmgren's crying about it and it's retarded if people think that the game was set up to screw Seattle.[/QUOTE]:doh: [size=3]that's just you:confused: ?[/size]:vomit: THAT WAS A SEATTLE TD...[size=4]IFFY [/size][size=2]THERE WAS NO [/size]INTERFERANCE.[size=3]IT'S THE SUPER-BOWL [/size][size=2]GET THE CALLS RIGHT [/size]. BEN'S RUN WAS NOT A TD JUST ASK HIM(last night on leno's show he said he didn't make it )INSTANT REPLAY GET THE CALL RIGHT (IT WAS A HELL OF ALOT CLEARER THAN THE TAMPA BAY 2 POINT CONVERSION EARLIER IN THE YEAR ).THERE IS A [size=3]14 POINT[/size] TURN AROUND.[size=3]YOU DONT[/size] [size=3]KNOW[/size] [size=4]? I[/size] AGREE. WHAT GAME WERE YOU WATCHING ?[size=3]THE BIG 1 IS A HOLDING[/size] [size=3]CALL ?[/size] THEY WERE ALL BIG PIECE OF SHIT CALLS...EVERYBODY KNOWS THE REFS FU:censored: CKED UP THIS GAME.IM GLAD THE SKINS DIDN'T PLAY IN THE GAME BECAUSE I'M PISSED OFF:madani: FOR A TEAM I DONT EVEN CARE ABOUT..HOLMGREN :cussing: HAS EVERY RIGHT TO BE PISSED OFF EVERY TIME A BIG PLAY HAPPENED IT WAS CALLED BACK.A FEW CALLS BUDDY, YOU MUST'VE BEEN REALLY HIGH:party-smi NOT TO SEE THE REFS F:censored: 'D THIS GAME ALL UP.OR YOU HAD:twocents: [size=3]MONEY ON THE [/size]THE STEELERS........

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

ok i think we CLEARLY see that big ben had a touchdown....end of story i dnt wanna hear ab that one anymore ....ok the holding and "low block were bad calls.......but thats all they were "BAD CALLS"!!!!!!!!.....i mean cmon......conspiracy?

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

[QUOTE=Warpath][img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/brainalishi/nd1qaa.jpg[/img]

dispute that[/QUOTE]

close but no cigar. the ball isn't across the goal line in this picture.

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

[QUOTE=wheeler]:doh: [size=3]that's just you:confused: ?[/size]:vomit: THAT WAS A SEATTLE TD...[size=4]IFFY [/size][size=2]THERE WAS NO [/size]INTERFERANCE.[size=3]IT'S THE SUPER-BOWL [/size][size=2]GET THE CALLS RIGHT [/size]. BEN'S RUN WAS NOT A TD JUST ASK HIM(last night on leno's show he said he didn't make it )INSTANT REPLAY GET THE CALL RIGHT (IT WAS A HELL OF ALOT CLEARER THAN THE TAMPA BAY 2 POINT CONVERSION EARLIER IN THE YEAR ).THERE IS A [size=3]14 POINT[/size] TURN AROUND.[size=3]YOU DONT[/size] [size=3]KNOW[/size] [size=4]? I[/size] AGREE. WHAT GAME WERE YOU WATCHING ?[size=3]THE BIG 1 IS A HOLDING[/size] [size=3]CALL ?[/size] THEY WERE ALL BIG PIECE OF SHIT CALLS...EVERYBODY KNOWS THE REFS FU:censored: CKED UP THIS GAME.IM GLAD THE SKINS DIDN'T PLAY IN THE GAME BECAUSE I'M PISSED OFF:madani: FOR A TEAM I DONT EVEN CARE ABOUT..HOLMGREN :cussing: HAS EVERY RIGHT TO BE PISSED OFF EVERY TIME A BIG PLAY HAPPENED IT WAS CALLED BACK.A FEW CALLS BUDDY, YOU MUST'VE BEEN REALLY HIGH:party-smi NOT TO SEE THE REFS F:censored: 'D THIS GAME ALL UP.OR YOU HAD:twocents: [size=3]MONEY ON THE [/size]THE STEELERS........[/QUOTE]

Trying to read that just gave me a headache, I'm not even going to bother arguing about it with you. Cause that's the furthest thing from a coherent post I've ever seen.

By the way, it's spelled "interference."

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

[QUOTE=jdlea]Trying to read that just gave me a headache, I'm not even going to bother arguing about it with you. Cause that's the furthest thing from a coherent post I've ever seen.

By the way, it's spelled "interference."[/QUOTE]learn to read english . just take it one word at a time like i did reading you'r painfully ignorant post.You even understood a mispelled word you should be able to read words that are spelled correctly ,this is a football message board not a english class,though i'm sure you know more about writing than you do about football it's obvious to everyone.Just look at your take on the super bowl:joke:

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

Okay, I'm not gonna argue about this. What is your explanation of what happened?

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

it's a shame the rolling stones had to try to save a poorly officiated game that could have and probably did change the final score and super bowl champion

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

My Honest Opinion - The Seahawks were robbed!!! I'm not a Seahawk Fan [burgandy & Gold all the way!] but I would like to see a fair game... and that was not a fair game!!!!!

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

[QUOTE=wolfeskins]close but no cigar. the ball isn't across the goal line in this picture.[/QUOTE]
Please tell me you are joking Wolf!!

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

[QUOTE=wolfeskins]close but no cigar. the ball isn't across the goal line in this picture.[/QUOTE]

it crossed the plane, the plane is the white line, its across it by over a milimeter. I don't know what rulebook you're using, but that's a TD according to the actual rules.

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

the PI was a bit iffy, but seattle missed a lot of chances and they weren't the better team. If stevens could catch they would've won. If the refs didn't call the PI and holding, it would've just been a closer defeat.

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

I dont know if the fix was in or not,but I thought it was poorly officiated,1 call i havent heard get much discussion was the catch and fumble in the 1st qaurter{i think jeremy stevens}he took 2 steps at least before he was hit,and thats a call that went seattles way,the refs blow their whistles too early half the time and dont let the play go on,lots of teams get screwd over by the refs blowing their whistle ruling the play dead but i dont know what can be done about it,its human error,and as long as refs are human and not robots theres always going to be bad calls

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

Funny thing after they called back the play to the 1 because of holding Hasselback was then sacked, did anyone else see the defender put his helmit into hasselbacks face? No one even mentioned that in a year if you so much as touch the QB's helmit with your hand trying to block a pass your flagged for 15 yards and a first down, and yet that went unforseen, but they picked up on the illegal block 2 plays later on Hasselbach for having the nerve to tackle the intercepter below the waste and call it a block.

There were other calls that were never brought up that affected that game, I watched the replay on the ball that hit [I forget which Seahawk reciever] in the back of the head or there abouts, he never saw it, reason? he had polomolu standing him up in the secondary funny no pass interference was called considering how tight they were calling it up until then.

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

[QUOTE=htownskinfan]I dont know if the fix was in or not,but I thought it was poorly officiated,1 call i havent heard get much discussion was the catch and fumble in the 1st qaurter{i think jeremy stevens}he took 2 steps at least before he was hit,and thats a call that went seattles way,the refs blow their whistles too early half the time and dont let the play go on,lots of teams get screwd over by the refs blowing their whistle ruling the play dead but i dont know what can be done about it,its human error,and as long as refs are human and not robots theres always going to be bad calls[/QUOTE]


It didn't go Seattles way because the ball went about 10 more yards downfield and out of bounds, that's a big first down for the Hawks if it's allowed. Only if someone was there to recover would it have been a call for Seattle.

So far all my Steeler buddies are saying the same thing, they all think that the game was manipulated in their favor, but they also are saying that was exactly what was happening to them against the Colts, which I couldn't agree more, I watched that game and although I bet the Colts I was just laughing at what the refs were letting the Colts get away with to get them back into that game. To the Steelers credit they got out to an early lead and were able to hold them off, I guess the nfl learned from their mistake and made sure nothing like that hapeened in the SB. Especially after the start as the Hawks were moving the ball methodically on them, and not allowing the steelers out of their own end.

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

WWE has entered into the NFL. This SB will be remembered for all the wrong reasons for a long time to come.

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

[QUOTE=redrock-skins]WWE has entered into the NFL. This SB will be remembered for all the wrong reasons for a long time to come.[/QUOTE]

No doubt. IMHO, the shame of it is, this whole Official-gate thing is overshadowing the end of a great career for Jerome Bettis. He finally gets his chance to go out on top, gets it, and now this. Damn zebras!

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

[QUOTE=wolfeskins]close but no cigar. the ball isn't across the goal line in this picture.[/QUOTE]

WHAT??!!! You do realize the ball doesn't have to touch the line, it just has to cross it even if it's just for a split second. That picture clearly shows the ball breaking the line.

Re: The Fix Is In?
 

If the fix really was in, the Seahawks would have won or at least covered and I'm sure the casinos and bookies everywhere would have made a killing.

The officiating has sucked for years... that doesn't necessarily mean the games are rigged.

The game is becoming too fast for the human eye to properly judge. You've got these huge guys who can run like the wind and plays are bang-bang on the field, and these refs are under enormous pressure to get the calls right. They probably get 98% of the calls correct, but it's that very small percentage they get wrong that gets held under the microscope.

As long as there's the human element to officiating, mistakes are going to happen, it's that simple.

Everyone is overlooking the fact that Seattle just didn't play well enough to win the game. Penalties, horrible clock management, poor exeuction, etc., were the main causes they lost the game. Blaming the refs is always the convenient excuse. I'm not denying there were some bad calls, but that wasn't the main reason they lost.