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[i]"The game was properly officiated, including, as in most NFL games, some tight plays that produced disagreement about the calls made by the officials," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said in a statement.[/i]


Either we weren't watching the same game, or give me some of what he's smokin'!!!!!:Smoker:

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[QUOTE=LongTimeSkinsFan][i]"The game was properly officiated, including, as in most NFL games, some tight plays that produced disagreement about the calls made by the officials," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said in a statement.[/i]


Either we weren't watching the same game, or give me some of what he's smokin'!!!!!:Smoker:[/QUOTE]
The pass interference call was a good call. Jackson only gained separation with his light shove (with arm extended) at the last instant before the ball arrived. Roethlisburger probably didn't break the plane, on his TD run, but if Pittsburgh had to go for it on 4th down at the 2 inch line, I like their chances with a 240 pound QB on a sneak. The hold on the punt return was borderline, but certainly not a phantom call. The most disappointing call was the holding on Locklear when Stevens caught the pass to the 1-yard line. If you get a chance to see the replay, notice that the pass rusher Locklear was blocking jumped an instant before the snap, and should have been penalized for offsides. The most ridiculous call was Hasselbeck flagged for making a legal tackle after his INT. The fact that nobody from a full crew of officials tried to correct that bogus call is amazing. The ref did get a crucial review correct when Hasselbeck was down by contact on his fumble. Bottom line, Seattle didn't make enough plays to deserve the win. To dominate for the first 20 minutes and only have 3 points to show is the reason they lost the game.

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While my tone might imply that I felt Seattle should have won the game with proper officiating that's not the case. My argument here is simply the NFL has the nerve to say the game was properly officiated and I feel that was the furthest thing from the truth. In fact, I'll stick my neck out here and say that I think this has been the WORST year in recent memory for officiating blunders. I totally disagree with the NFL FO that this game was properly officiated. In my perfect NFL world, team A plays team B and the better team wins. In real life, team A plays team B and the team that plays well enough to overcome bad officiating and their opponent wins. Addressing your points:

1. Jackson and Hope were tangling in the end zone. It could have just as easily been illegal contact on Hope as much as it was PI on Jackson.

2. If Roethlisburger didn't break the plane and score, I still would have appreciated the formality of a 4th down play. Call me anal but I like it when a team earns a score rather than just have it handed to them.

3. The holding call killed a Seattle scoring op and the illegal block/tackle on Hasselbeck gives Pitt another 15 yds. I think the ensuing drive featured the flea flicker TD pass, right? If that's true, a case could be made that the gadget play might not be called without the extra 15 yds of field position from the penalty.

Regardless, Pittsburgh still deserved to win that game given the circumstances, simply because Seattle didn't play well enough to (a) capitalize on the Steelers mistakes and (b) overcome any errant calls from the officiating crew.

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pi iffy, holding bad, that blocking on MH call was from mars... roth was in though fromt he posted pics.

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Where are these said pics, That Guy, I'd like to see them. Because Cold Pizza today said there was a more than obvious video showing his elbow hitting down before it crossing the plane.

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I dont think this affected the game but another unbelivable call was the chop block on Hassleback after the interception. Why would you call that? When do they ever call that? Like that is such a dangerous move but the collar tackle is safe.

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I've never seen such a call for blood over a non-Redskin team. Did everyone REALLY want Seattle to win?

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PI was definitely PI

whether he got in or not there's no evidence to overturn it (blah blah blah)... they can't see anything beyond what we have footage of...

call on hasselbeck was bad but not as game-changing as the INT

you know what they (madden) say(s) about holds; they happen every play. don't get the guy in position that makes it even resemble a hold and you're good to go.

all-in-all to me it was a boring ass superbowl. here's the one next next year with the skins beating and afc team!

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I've never seen such a call for blood over a non-Redskin team. Did everyone REALLY want Seattle to win?[/QUOTE]

Again, look at the title of the thread. I don't speak for everyone else who responded, but my gripe isn't with Seattle losing as much as it is with the horrid offciating (which by the way has been going on ALL SEASON LONG) and the NFL FO turning a blind eye. For those people who wish to propagate conspiracy theory, the NFL condoning the performance of the off crew is just more fuel for the fire.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Where are these said pics, That Guy, I'd like to see them. Because Cold Pizza today said there was a more than obvious video showing his elbow hitting down before it crossing the plane.[/QUOTE]

From one of the many Super Bowl/Referees/Conspiracy threads

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/brainalishi/nd1qaa.jpg[/img]

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I've never seen such a call for blood over a non-Redskin team. Did everyone REALLY want Seattle to win?[/QUOTE]

That's what I've been trying to figure out. The calls weren't even that bad. I've seen plenty of worse ones. :insane:

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[QUOTE=jdlea]That's what I've been trying to figure out. The calls weren't even that bad. I've seen plenty of worse ones. :insane:[/QUOTE]

Yeah I don't get it either. The bad calls don't make up for the fact that Seattle simply didn't play well enough to win the game.

Turnovers, penalties, poor clock mgmt, dropped passes, etc., are what Seattle fans should really be upset over, and what the rest of us should be pointing to as the main reasons why they lost the game.

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it's been gaining momentum, bad call after bad call all year long and the nfl acts like all is well.and i can gaurantee that if it had been the skins instead of the seahawks you guys would be quite irate.if it's bad for them then it will be bad for all.

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[QUOTE=Skins fan 44]I dont think this affected the game but another unbelivable call was the chop block on Hassleback after the interception. Why would you call that? When do they ever call that? Like that is such a dangerous move but the collar tackle is safe.[/QUOTE]

Skins fan 44, I am with you on the whole "horse collar" thing. The rules committee or where ever this thing is discussed , really need to better define what a horse collar IS and IS NOT. I think I saw a lot of it last year and it was never called. It seems like a new way to tackle that I dont' ever remember seeing that much in the past. It seems like every defender who gets beat these days goes for the back of the shoulder pads on a tackle from behind. I think the Skins were really lucky a lot last year that Portis did not miss significant time due to injury from several horse collars that brought him down last year. It is an injury waiting to happen!

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The fact that the NFL says the game was "properly officiated" doesn't bode well for the future. The NFL simply doesn't care enough if the officiating is bad. If they did, the refs would be hired full time and be in shape and able to see. Nfl is the only sport that doesn't hire full time refs. Golly, could it be a "money issue".????

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[QUOTE=dblanch66]The fact that the NFL says the game was "properly officiated" doesn't bode well for the future. The NFL simply doesn't care enough if the officiating is bad. If they did, the refs would be hired full time and be in shape and able to see. Nfl is the only sport that doesn't hire full time refs. Golly, could it be a "money issue".????[/QUOTE]Just a question. If the REF's were full time what would they do diffrent? What would they do in the off season? And what would they do Monday thru Friday? Other major sports have games seven days a week and need full time REF's. I'm not defending the REF's but I just don't see how being full time would change the mistakes.

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[quote]it's been gaining momentum, bad call after bad call all year long and the nfl acts like all is well.and i can gaurantee that if it had been the skins instead of the seahawks you guys would be quite irate.if it's bad for them then it will be bad for all.[/quote]

Exactly, the refs have been hideous all year (Hocculea (sp?) and the guy that did both of our playoff games are the only two I dont cringe when I see em) The NFL should be working hard to correct this, not coddle the refs so that people can't criticize them.

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While I don't agree with the essential sentiment conveyed by the NFL's statement, I would agree that most of the calls that went against Seattle were, in fact, judgment calls by the officials that may have gone the other way if the referee had been in a different location. Not agreeing with the calls, just saying that they weren't blatantly "wrong".

My above statement DOES NOT apply to the Illegal Block called on Hasselback. Until I hear an explanation as to how a TACKLER can be called for an illegal block, I can't agree with the NFL's statement. Further, in light of the blatantly wrong Hasselback call and the refusal to acknowledge it as such, I find the NFL's entire position on the matter suspect.

With that said, this was a very winnable game for Seattle and they just didn't step up. Even the most blatantly wrong call only occurred AFTER Seattle had just committed a turnover - no turnover, no bad call.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Yeah I don't get it either. The bad calls don't make up for the fact that Seattle simply didn't play well enough to win the game.

Turnovers, penalties, poor clock mgmt, dropped passes, etc., are what Seattle fans should really be upset over, and what the rest of us should be pointing to as the main reasons why they lost the game.[/QUOTE]

Seattle did put themselves in position to leave it the hands of the refs. Something we did a few times this year too and it bit us in the ass. Hopefully, this brings some more serious discussion about officiating and we do see some real changes, not just "committees".

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The officials didn't decide the outcome of the game. the sorry-ass SeaDucks got their butts kicked. GET OVER IT!

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[QUOTE=redrock-skins]Seattle did put themselves in position to leave it the hands of the refs. Something we did a few times this year too and it bit us in the ass. Hopefully, this brings some more serious discussion about officiating and we do see some real changes, not just "committees".[/QUOTE]

And I'll make my last comment on the subject (at least for antoher 3 to 4 hours) thus:

Mediocre teams play at a level good enough to beat their opponent half the time

Good teams play at a level good enough to beat their opponent all the time

GREAT teams play at a level good enough to beat their opponent [b]and overcome adverse officiating [/b]all the time.

With that said, we didn't have two great teams out there Sunday, but two good teams. One team didn't get the job done, the other got the job done good enough.

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[QUOTE=LongTimeSkinsFan]And I'll make my last comment on the subject (at least for antoher 3 to 4 hours) thus:

Mediocre teams play at a level good enough to beat their opponent half the time

Good teams play at a level good enough to beat their opponent all the time

GREAT teams play at a level good enough to beat their opponent [b]and overcome adverse officiating [/b]all the time.

With that said, we didn't have two great teams out there Sunday, but two good teams. One team didn't get the job done, the other got the job done good enough.[/QUOTE]

I am curious who you think would have been those 2 great teams. I think these were 2 great teams that did not play great games on Sunday.

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[IMG]http://www.gifs.net/Animation11/Sports/Football/Stomping_referee.gif[/IMG] :bdh: :insane: :cool-smil: :httr:

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[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins]The officials didn't decide the outcome of the game. the sorry-ass SeaDucks got their butts kicked. GET OVER IT![/QUOTE]



what game did you watch ?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Yeah I don't get it either. The bad calls don't make up for the fact that Seattle simply didn't play well enough to win the game.

Turnovers, penalties, poor clock mgmt, dropped passes, etc., are what Seattle fans should really be upset over, and what the rest of us should be pointing to as the main reasons why they lost the game.[/QUOTE]




matty, please,come on now ? turnovers (they had 1) poor clock mgmt (they had trouble for about 1 min. with the clock) dropprd passes (i'll give you that one, steven struggled) PENALTIES (do i need to say anything)

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I talked to the only Seahawk fan i know today and he says "I dont blame the refs, we had our chances and beat ourselves".

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod]I talked to the only Seahawk fan i know today and he says "I dont blame the refs, we had our chances and beat ourselves".[/QUOTE]


he's just being the "good fan".

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Yeah I don't get it either. The bad calls don't make up for the fact that Seattle simply didn't play well enough to win the game.

Turnovers, penalties, poor clock mgmt, dropped passes, etc., are what Seattle fans should really be upset over, and what the rest of us should be pointing to as the main reasons why they lost the game.[/QUOTE]


How well do you have to play to overcome biased officiating?

It's not like Pitt didn't drop any passes, they did have 2 criticle turnovers, this nonesense on how Seattle didn't play well enough to win that game is just that nonesense. How many times does a team have to try and overcome a joke of a penalty.

Anyone who thinks that 3 or 4 bogus penalties can't deciede the outcome of a game is only kidding themselves.

If Seattle takes the lead in the second half on Pitt, does anyone really think Pitt is going to comeback in that game? There is a big difference between playing with a lead, and playing from behind.

A defensive offside's turns into a offensive holding penalty, which was not holding, which negates a 1st and goal from the 1, then Seattle is placed into a 1st and long, this allows Pitt to send in a safty blitz knowing Seattle is probably looking for a deep pass play, the safety nails Hasselbach helmit to helmit for a sack and no penalty is called, Seattle then runs a sweep to the right Alexander is horsecollared in front of the entire country and no call, Hasellbach now tries to make a big play and gets picked off, he then tackles the intercepter low and is called for an illegal block, which leads to a trick play for Pitt and a game over TD. AMAZING the refs seem to catch all these little ticky tack and phantom calls against Seattle, and yet can't see anything blatent against Pitt?

Everyone is entitled to believe whatever they want, that's fine, but there is no way I am going to be convinced that the NFL doesn't minupulate the outcome of certain games with the referee's, NO WAY!

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[QUOTE=That Guy]pi iffy, holding bad, that blocking on MH call was from mars... roth was in though fromt he posted pics.[/QUOTE]they were looking for offensive pi, they called one on miller late in the second quarter. the only difference is the steelers got a td(disputed)out of the drive as opposed to a fg.as for the hold, put yourself in the refs shoes on that one, hes probably standing at an angle thats just behind haggans and he looks like he is getting clotheslined.the cmera angle is in front of hagans and you see that the tackle still has some position. the hasslebeck penalty was awful but it (in my opinion) was already over.

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this thread is pathetic! why 3 pages on 2 teams that the majority of people here could give a rats ass about?

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[QUOTE=dmek25]this thread is pathetic! why 3 pages on 2 teams that the majority of people here could give a rats ass about?[/QUOTE]




this thread is about the officiating. it's not about the two teams.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]this thread is about the officiating. it's not about the two teams.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Wolfeskins. It seems rather difficult to keep on topic here like people are assuming that everyone that feels the game was less than properly officiated is a Seahawks sympathiser.

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Yeah, the point of this thread is that we're concerned about the officiating. Like someone said earlier, we could have this come back and bite us in the ass (possibly in next year's SB). I don't want any stupid calls deciding a game like that for us. BTW, Seattle DID play well enough to win (at least in the first half.

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Please, some of you are acting like Seattle played a great game and had the game stolen from them by the refs.

Can anyone honestly say the Seahawks played a better overall game than the Steelers?

-Seattle was 5/17 on 3rd downs (29%) compared to the Steelers who were 8/15 (53%)

-Seattle was penalized 7 times for 70 yards compared to the Steelers who were penalized 3 times for 20 yards.

Yes some of the calls were iffy.

The push off in the endzone was iffy but hey, he did clearly push off so it really wasn't a horrible call.

The only outright horrible call I saw was the low block on Hasselbeck. You can argue about the holding calls, some were legit, some weren't, but those types of calls are made all season. How many phantom holding calls did we see this year both for us and against us??

Ben's TD was a very close call that could have went either way. I don't think anybody can say with 100% confidence that he did or didn't get in.

-Seattle missed 2 FG's.

-Jerramy Steven's 4 dropped passes caused several drives to stall out.

-Hasselbeck's INT in the 4th quarter killed any chances the Seahawks had of coming back.

-The Steelers scores boiled down to 3 key plays. Willie Parker's 75 yard run, Roethlisberger's 37 yard pass to Ward on 3rd and 28, Randle El's reverse toss for a TD. There wasn't any "ref interference" on any of these plays, the Steelers simply made these big plays when needed and Seattle couldn't stop them.

As some have already said, complaining about the refs is what losers do. Once the dust settles on this whole thing, the Seahawks only have themselves to blame and they know it.

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Thank you Matty!

Complaining doesn't help matters.

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[QUOTE=dblanch66]The fact that the NFL says the game was "properly officiated" doesn't bode well for the future. The NFL simply doesn't care enough if the officiating is bad. If they did, the refs would be hired full time and be in shape and able to see. Nfl is the only sport that doesn't hire full time refs. Golly, could it be a "money issue".????[/QUOTE]
Train, watch game film, increase their knowledge of the rules to name a few. I don't know how many times this year there were "conferences" that lasted forever, "disagreements" as to what happened on a flag, flags picked up that were thrown, obvious replays from the booth that were still not overturned, a blatent misunderstanding of the rules (see Plummer's fumble or 'tuck rule'), the non call of horsecollar tackles and I could go on and on. I guess they need more time to LEARN THE F-----G RULES!

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[QUOTE=firstdown]Just a question. If the REF's were full time what would they do diffrent? What would they do in the off season? And what would they do Monday thru Friday? Other major sports have games seven days a week and need full time REF's. I'm not defending the REF's but I just don't see how being full time would change the mistakes.[/QUOTE]
Train, watch game film, increase their knowledge of the rules to name a few. I don't know how many times this year there were "conferences" that lasted forever, "disagreements" as to what happened on a flag, flags picked up that were thrown, obvious replays from the booth that were still not overturned, a blatent misunderstanding of the rules (see Plummer's fumble or 'tuck rule'), the non call of horsecollar tackles and I could go on and on. I guess they need more time to LEARN THE F-----G RULES!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Please, some of you are acting like Seattle played a great game and had the game stolen from them by the refs...[/QUOTE]

Matty: I respect your opinion and you have issued valid points however I would like to bring your attention to the following sequence of events

1. Seattle has the ball in I think it was the 3rd or maybe 4th quarter. Hasselbeck drops back to pass and completes inside the 10 yd line. Play is called back for holding penalty. I will grant that from the official's viewpoint the holding is a valid call. However, it appeared the Pitt linebacker had jumped offsides. The offsides was never flagged but the holding was. Same two players/field of view was involved.

2. After the holding penalty was assessed, Hasselbeck throws an interception. During the return, Hasselbeck is flagged for an illegal block (?) while tackling the return man. This gives Pitt the ball and places the ball near midfield.

3. A couple plays later, Randle El takes a pitch and runs around right end, then throws and completes a pass to Heinz Ward for a TD.

I would submit that without the two key calls made here (the holding and illegal block) that (1) Seattle scores at least a field goal, and probably a touchdown and (2) Pittsburgh does [b]not[/b] score. Would that be reasonable or not? Others feel free to chime in on this one too!

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I found a clip online of that play from some bitter Seahawks fan the other day and the guy that supposedly jumped offsides had PERFECT timing. He went RIGHT when the ball moved and the holding clearly prevented him from sacking Hasselbeck. And Matty's point really is this (and my mantra lately is "can't see the forest for the trees):

If Seattle deserved to win, you think they would have been able to stop that long run by Parker. If Seattle deserved to win, Stevens wouldn't have dropped those passes. If Seattle deserved to win, they wouldn't have been burned on that play by Randle El that you HAD to know was coming. Even the announcers called it.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]If Seattle deserved to win, you think they would have been able to stop that long run by Parker. If Seattle deserved to win, Stevens wouldn't have dropped those passes. If Seattle deserved to win, they wouldn't have been burned on that play by Randle El that you HAD to know was coming. Even the announcers called it.[/QUOTE]

The crux of my argument is that officiating interfered heavily with the outcome of the game. Obviously, you don't see it that way and your argument is simply that Seattle didn't play well enough to win and Pittsburgh did. Personally, I enjoyed watching Seattle being abused. I think they're in a soft division with no real competition and I think Chicago or Carolina might have represented the NFC better.