Best Available? Draft a TE
 

While I would certianly agree that a #2 WR is our biggest need, and probably a pass rushing DE, I think an in-line TE would be a huge boost as well. And I think this is the draft to do it as it is amazingly deep at TE. I realized this after reading Mel Kiper's mailbag...essentially picking at #22 in the 2nd round we could get a guy who would normally go in the mid-late first round (and Im not talking specifically about Mercedes Lewis) because of the insane depth of the 2006 TE class. I am a huge proponent of choosing the best available player, and not necessarily drafting for need...I am curious to hear what you all think.

The portion of the article to which I am refering is posted below:

[b]Why do you have Mercedes Lewis as the sixth-best tight end in this year's draft? I know there are three really good juniors in the draft, but you had Lewis as the best senior tight end for most of the season. -- Wes, Santa Barbara, Calif.[/b]
His stock dropped late in the year. Lewis didn't finish as strong as some of the others and didn't distinguish himself at the Senior Bowl practices or game. USC's [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=137031"][color=#000000]Dominique Byrd[/color][/url] had a better Senior Bowl week, as did Colorado's [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=135535"][color=#000000]Joe Klopfenstein[/color][/url]. [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=113746"][color=#000000]Owen Daniels[/color][/url] has great pass-catching abilities as an H-back.


The juniors ([url="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=145820"][color=#000000]Vernon Davis[/color][/url], [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=133497"][color=#000000]Leonard Pope[/color][/url], [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=134719"][color=#000000]Anthony Fasano[/color][/url]) already were ahead of Lewis. In a year this strong with tight ends, being ranked sixth is not criticism. What Lewis had to do was play great football at the end of the year, and I don't think he did. I wanted to see him take over the practices at the Senior Bowl as a pass-receiving option, but he did not. The tight end position is one of the best, if not the best, position in this draft. In a normal year, Lewis would be one of the top two or three at the position, but this is a great year for tight ends.

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I would be really suprised if we took a tight-end with our first pick, unless Vernon Davis somehow, which won't happen, fell to us.

In Gibbs' system the tight-end is more of a role player. Used more for blocking, creating different looks and formations, and then a receiving threat.
Besides, Cooley plays the pass catching part of that role well for us and he's a good blocker.

In my opinion, Robert Royal will start the '06 season unless someone emerges from nowhere to take his job.

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But unfortunately it's not really Gibbs's system anymore. It's going to maintain the basic form but it's Saunders system and he had TG playing a significant role in that system.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]But unfortunately it's not really Gibbs's system anymore. It's going to maintain the basic form but it's Saunders system and he had TG playing a significant role in that system.[/QUOTE]

If anything, Cooleys role might expand, if that's possible. Perhaps, even Royals.

But personell wise, I think we have what he needs at that position.

Then again, I'm no OC....hell, I don't even know the answer to Q3.

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I think if we draft a TE, first and foremost he needs to be awesome at run-blocking. We need to add more pop to our goalline offense, and a bulldozing TE would help a lot.

If that TE happens to be a great pass catcher too, all the better.

We have other priorities though. If we can satisfy our needs at WR, offensive line depth, and CB depth; then I'm all for drafting a TE. My guess is though, that we'll need our 2nd rounder to address one of those other needs I mentioned.

Maybe a decent TE will be there in the third.

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at 2nd round klop is available, in the 3rd tim day is available (7th best, but the best blocking tight end and he's still faster and has better hands than royal if only slightly). I'd take spencer (OG) in the 2nd and day (TE) in the 3rd, even though that's not really sexy. If day falls to the 4th or we get a 3rd comp pick, then the skins could get mcclover too (fast DE/OLB pass rushing type).

if blocking is important, its pope, klop, day (all 6'6" or 6'7").

Byrd is a bit like cooley in finding open spots, but isn't that fast or a super blocking (and he's not close to 6'7" either). Davis is sshort but super fast for a TE and a terrible blocker right now.

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yeah you don't need to waste your first pick in a TE having Cooley there believe me we know lol you have more pressing needs like wr, safety,cb, DE and lb

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]yeah you don't need to waste your first pick in a TE having Cooley there believe me we know lol you have more pressing needs like wr, safety,cb, DE and lb[/QUOTE]
wr, yes. de, yes, cb, yes. safety or lb? no

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you need a SS, who do you have helping taylor really, and you need another ILB this isn't huge need urgent needs but still it is a need

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]you need a SS, who do you have helping taylor really, and you need another ILB this isn't huge need urgent needs but still it is a need[/QUOTE]


at safety, i think clark and pierson p. (sp) fill the spot pretty good.
at lb, alot depends on if arrington stays or goes.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]you need a SS, who do you have helping taylor really, and you need another ILB this isn't huge need urgent needs but still it is a need[/QUOTE]

at lb behind lemar, arrington and washington we have clemons and mccune (who may not be ready to play yet). washington can play inside though and clemons can be reasonable spot starter. I don't think holdman will be back, an a reserve lb is in my list of needs, but it not as important as TE #2, neither is SS. PP and clark are good enough and an upgrade there wont make as much a difference as a better TE. I'm assusming arringotn is back until told otherwise though.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]at lb behind lemar, arrington and washington we have clemons and mccune (who may not be ready to play yet). washington can play inside though and clemons can be reasonable spot starter. I don't think holdman will be back, an a reserve lb is in my list of needs, but it not as important as TE #2, neither is SS. PP and clark are good enough and an upgrade there wont make as much a difference as a better TE. I'm assusming arringotn is back until told otherwise though.[/QUOTE]


just to point out that the patriots had graham and still took ben watson..
i think the skins have greater needs than TE. a lot will depend upon how free agency opens up.
who knows, if we sign a def end and a number 2 receiver in free agency and one of the premier tight ends slides to us in round 2, it might be tempting.
still would prefer another def lineman or off lineman with that pick, but if the TE is one of the better blockers and not a receiving te (byrd, i.e.) it might be worth considering.

for sanders offense we still have cooley and possibly manny white.. plus maybe johnson learned to block this offseason

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[QUOTE=amorentz]While I would certianly agree that a #2 WR is our biggest need, and probably a pass rushing DE, I think an in-line TE would be a huge boost as well. And I think this is the draft to do it as it is amazingly deep at TE. I realized this after reading Mel Kiper's mailbag...essentially picking at #22 in the 2nd round we could get a guy who would normally go in the mid-late first round (and Im not talking specifically about Mercedes Lewis) because of the insane depth of the 2006 TE class. I am a huge proponent of choosing the best available player, and not necessarily drafting for need...I am curious to hear what you all think.

The portion of the article to which I am refering is posted below:

[b]Why do you have Mercedes Lewis as the sixth-best tight end in this year's draft? I know there are three really good juniors in the draft, but you had Lewis as the best senior tight end for most of the season. -- Wes, Santa Barbara, Calif.[/b]
His stock dropped late in the year. Lewis didn't finish as strong as some of the others and didn't distinguish himself at the Senior Bowl practices or game. USC's [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=137031"][color=#000000]Dominique Byrd[/color][/url] had a better Senior Bowl week, as did Colorado's [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=135535"][color=#000000]Joe Klopfenstein[/color][/url]. [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=113746"][color=#000000]Owen Daniels[/color][/url] has great pass-catching abilities as an H-back.


The juniors ([url="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=145820"][color=#000000]Vernon Davis[/color][/url], [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=133497"][color=#000000]Leonard Pope[/color][/url], [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=134719"][color=#000000]Anthony Fasano[/color][/url]) already were ahead of Lewis. In a year this strong with tight ends, being ranked sixth is not criticism. What Lewis had to do was play great football at the end of the year, and I don't think he did. I wanted to see him take over the practices at the Senior Bowl as a pass-receiving option, but he did not. The tight end position is one of the best, if not the best, position in this draft. In a normal year, Lewis would be one of the top two or three at the position, but this is a great year for tight ends.[/QUOTE]

No need for a TE, because Al Saunders will put Cooley at that Position..... no more H-Back...situation, thats not his Offense........so Let's get a #2...or DE no need to get a TE unless he's a for sure......Superstar

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[QUOTE=That Guy]at lb behind lemar, arrington and washington we have clemons and mccune (who may not be ready to play yet). washington can play inside though and clemons can be reasonable spot starter. I don't think holdman will be back, an a reserve lb is in my list of needs, but it not as important as TE #2, neither is SS. PP and clark are good enough and an upgrade there wont make as much a difference as a better TE. I'm assusming arringotn is back until told otherwise though.[/QUOTE]

don't forget about kahary campbell. he played a fair amount of ILB last season- especially in goal line formations. he has gotten better

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the skins should take the best available defensive lineman,no question

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]But unfortunately it's not really Gibbs's system anymore. It's going to maintain the basic form but it's Saunders system and he had TG playing a significant role in that system.[/QUOTE]

Not really, he has been slipping in Fantasy football the last couple of years.

:biggthump

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[QUOTE=shallyshal]
for sanders offense we still have cooley and possibly manny white.. plus maybe johnson learned to block this offseason[/QUOTE]

except white is a running back that did poorly in trying to transition to hback and then got put on ir last year. that's not exactly a surefire solution

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That would be insane to draft a TE. we have about 20 on the roster already. Draft a DE, unless a VERY GOOD WR drops to us. Get depth at either D-Line or O-line later in the draft. 3rd round a corner or safety. We need some secondary depth, BAD. I personally would trade Ramsey for picks. you can never have too many picks. and pick up a veteran FA QB. there are going to be plenty out there.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]That would be insane to draft a TE. we have about 20 on the roster already. Draft a DE, unless a VERY GOOD WR drops to us. Get depth at either D-Line or O-line later in the draft. 3rd round a corner or safety. We need some secondary depth, BAD. I personally would trade Ramsey for picks. you can never have too many picks. and pick up a veteran FA QB. there are going to be plenty out there.[/QUOTE]

20 crappy TEs doesn't equal 2 good ones.

the difference is in the 2nd round you can either get a sure starter at TE or OG or SS or you can get a spare part WR/DE with no promises of contributing next year at all. The WR corp this year isn't just weak, its bad. DE/DT has talent though. you HAVE to draft OL, and remember last time we took OL later on? one lasted a year and the other looks like he'll never play. If you want a guy that can start, the 5th round is NOT the place to find him. Gibs needs althletic guards and even the bad ones are generally gone by then.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]20 crappy TEs doesn't equal 2 good ones.

the difference is in the 2nd round you can either get a sure starter at TE or OG or SS or you can get a spare part WR/DE with no promises of contributing next year at all. The WR corp this year isn't just weak, its bad. DE/DT has talent though. you HAVE to draft OL, and remember last time we took OL later on? one lasted a year and the other looks like he'll never play. If you want a guy that can start, the 5th round is NOT the place to find him. Gibs needs althletic guards and even the bad ones are generally gone by then.[/QUOTE]

I really agree with this, and it was essentially the reason I posted the thread. I think that rather than focusing on a pressing need and reaching on a player, it might be a good year to get an excellent value player. On the other hand, if and excellent WR falls to us then it obviously makes sense to draft for need AND value.

My point on the thread wasnt that we HAVE to draft a TE, but that it may make sense for us to in a bang-for-your-buck sort of way.

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[QUOTE=amorentz]I really agree with this, and it was essentially the reason I posted the thread. I think that rather than focusing on a pressing need and reaching on a player, it might be a good year to get an excellent value player. On the other hand, if and excellent WR falls to us then it obviously makes sense to draft for need AND value.

My point on the thread wasnt that we HAVE to draft a TE, but that it may make sense for us to in a bang-for-your-buck sort of way.[/QUOTE]

Best player available is a good philosophy... IF that player fits your system. Grabbing a great pass-catching TE would be quite duplicative of Cooley's skill set. If we're going after a TE, requirement number one is that he MUST be a great in-line run blocker to help our short-yardage offense. Adding a receiving TE who is a mediocre blocker doesn't help us very much, we already have Cooley filling that role. We should draft a bulldozer at TE, or we shouldn't address it at all. If he can catch passes too, that's a bonus.

Best player available doesn't always improve your team the most. You have to pick guys that fit your style of football. When you add a player, the goal is to make the team play better as a whole, not get more guys who can play well on your team. There's a big difference. A blocking TE would help Portis tremendously in short-yardage situations. He'd pick up more 1st downs and TDs and defenses might need to use 8 in the box more often. While a pass-catching TE would probably just eat into Cooley's production.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Best player available is a good philosophy... IF that player fits your system. Grabbing a great pass-catching TE would be quite duplicative of Cooley's skill set. If we're going after a TE, requirement number one is that he MUST be a great in-line run blocker to help our short-yardage offense. Adding a receiving TE who is a mediocre blocker doesn't help us very much, we already have Cooley filling that role. We should draft a bulldozer at TE, or we shouldn't address it at all. If he can catch passes too, that's a bonus.

Best player available doesn't always improve your team the most. You have to pick guys that fit your style of football. When you add a player, the goal is to make the team play better as a whole, not get more guys who can play well on your team. There's a big difference. A blocking TE would help Portis tremendously in short-yardage situations. He'd pick up more 1st downs and TDs and defenses might need to use 8 in the box more often. While a pass-catching TE would probably just eat into Cooley's production.[/QUOTE]

pope (2nd), klop (3rd), day (4th), day is the best blocker, but pope is very good and 6'7". all can catch, but pope is probably the best at that. byrd would be a waste cause he's 6'3" and plays slike cooley (well, it definately wouldn't be a waste, but there's equal talent in a guy like pope thats a much better fit for the system the skins run).

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Best player available is a good philosophy... IF that player fits your system. Grabbing a great pass-catching TE would be quite duplicative of Cooley's skill set. If we're going after a TE, requirement number one is that he MUST be a great in-line run blocker to help our short-yardage offense. Adding a receiving TE who is a mediocre blocker doesn't help us very much, we already have Cooley filling that role. We should draft a bulldozer at TE, or we shouldn't address it at all. If he can catch passes too, that's a bonus.

Best player available doesn't always improve your team the most. You have to pick guys that fit your style of football. When you add a player, the goal is to make the team play better as a whole, not get more guys who can play well on your team. There's a big difference. A blocking TE would help Portis tremendously in short-yardage situations. He'd pick up more 1st downs and TDs and defenses might need to use 8 in the box more often. While a pass-catching TE would probably just eat into Cooley's production.[/QUOTE]

I definitely agree that we would need a TE that fits us (ie Mashing Power Blocker that can catch some)...otherwise if you just keep taking "best available at all costs" you end being the Detroit Lions with too many overpaid WRs!

But my thought was that this might be a good year to look at a TE because we can get a better one later than we could in the foreseeable future.

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If TEs are deep, it'll be a smart move to draft otherwise. Question is, who'll be available in the third?

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I think we are getting ahead of things here. Because what we do in freeagent market well have a big say what we will do in aprils draft! Maybe we pick up a free agent WR's or fill two needs like a DE and WR. That would change our view in the draft to other needs. But yes you should take a long hard look if a player falls to you that can improve your team! Then again maybe nothing happens in free agent market but I think we[Redskins] will use both to improve this team!

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WR and DE are there in FA in our price range. OL aren't, FA TEs aren't very hot either... and its a weak DB market compared to last year. If the need can be filled in FA without a $40mill contract, that's a good place to fill it for immediate results and then draft the best you can get in the draft... we could get 3 starters in the draft if the skins can use FA for DE and WR.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]WR and DE are there in FA in our price range. OL aren't, FA TEs aren't very hot either... and its a weak DB market compared to last year. If the need can be filled in FA without a $40mill contract, that's a good place to fill it for immediate results and then draft the best you can get in the draft... we could get 3 starters in the draft if the skins can use FA for DE and WR.[/QUOTE]

I think you are right big guy!!! :towel: :food-smil :headbange