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2rd round - OG. The redskins aren't going to take a chance on a 2nd round wide receiver unless there is a magical player there that all the other teams missed (doubtful). This is a much needed position so I can see the skins getting one with their first pick.

3nd round - DT. I suppose they could take a DE here but I think Williams is very happy with what he has.

5th round - DB. All is not well in the CB department as we have seen this past season. A DB pick makes sense here.

6th round - No quality players here. We can only hope for diamonds in the rough and this is where I see the Skins taking a LB and a WR and hope for the best.

7th round - Players in this round should really be classified as un-drafted free agents as few gems ever exist among a vast collection of scrubs. I see the Skins taking an undersized defensive end.

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[QUOTE=saden1]2rd round - OG. The redskins aren't going to take a chance on a 2nd round wide receiver unless there is a magical player there that all the other teams missed (doubtful). This is a much needed position so I can see the skins getting one with their first pick.

3nd round - DT. I suppose they could take a DE here but I think Williams is very happy with what he has.

5th round - DB. All is not well in the CB department as we have seen this past season. A DB pick makes sense here.

6th round - No quality players here. We can only hope for diamonds in the rough and this is where I see the Skins taking a LB and a WR and hope for the best.

7th round - Players in this round should really be classified as un-drafted free agents as few gems ever exist among a vast collection of scrubs. I see the Skins taking an undersized defensive end.[/QUOTE]i like it, but i would switch your 3rd and 2nd.d-line depth is gonna be key for this team in the future. o-line is gonna be addressed in fa

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we need help on the defensive line,pronto.and maybe someone to start at defensive end

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I think they will draft CB, OL, DL, then best available.

We really were think at CB this year and with the potential for Walt Harris to be shown the door for cap reasons, this will be our top priority.

OL next because the loss of Brown, and the worthlessness of Raymer.

DL because of lack of DT depth. I liked the play of Wynn and Daniels at the end of the season. With Clemons healthy we have a solid 3rd down rush end, and I think if Lavar stays you will see him in there some on 3rd.

No Linebackers because McCune and Keasey will be coming along well enough for depth. I also wouldnt be surprised to see us keep our second and trade up or down a lot with our later picks. It seems like we have a pretty deep group of players either on IR or the practice squad. Not to mention we will as always fill our most pressing need with free agent signings.

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2nd OG (spencer, who can also play OT or DT),
3rd/4th (inc either a comp or a ramsey trade)
-TE (klop/day),
-DE (mcclover/lawson, and have wynn move inside or cut him and get rocky bernard/triplet depending on prices).

Then the skins could be up mcphearson (4.25 CB) in the 5th (or trade up with a 6th to make sure and get him).. B Johnson (OLB, 6'5" 4.48) may also fall into the 5th as well.

whoever in the 6th (

and D Quillen (6'6" 4.5 WR) in the 7th
with sam koch (undrafted) at P.

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I'd honestly be all for us resigning Evans. He's home-grown (basically) and everyone seems to think he'll be a starter on another team. He had a great pass rush from what I could tell.

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If there is a good DE on the board they take him. the o-line can either be addressed later in the draft, or FA. The WR sounds like it will be addressed in FA unless someone drops with out reason to them in the second round, which is unlikely. they need young talent for DE spot, daniels is 33, wynn 32 and Evans is FA. They have no one else w/ NFL experience on the roster at that position.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]If there is a good DE on the board they take him. the o-line can either be addressed later in the draft, or FA. The WR sounds like it will be addressed in FA unless someone drops with out reason to them in the second round, which is unlikely. they need young talent for DE spot, daniels is 33, wynn 32 and Evans is FA. They have no one else w/ NFL experience on the roster at that position.[/QUOTE]

OL generally cannot be addressed in FA (drafted OL are CHEAP, otherwise you're paying a starter salary (3mill+) for a bench warmer) and late drafted OL tend to be crap (see 2 years ago). DE would be much easier to address in FA (26/27 year olds) though i'd pick up kampman and get mcclover or lawson as well, since both are extremely fast and could help immediately.

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[QUOTE=drew54]I think they will draft CB, OL, DL, then best available.

We really were think at CB this year and with the potential for Walt Harris to be shown the door for cap reasons, this will be our top priority.

OL next because the loss of Brown, and the worthlessness of Raymer.

DL because of lack of DT depth. I liked the play of Wynn and Daniels at the end of the season. With Clemons healthy we have a solid 3rd down rush end, and I think if Lavar stays you will see him in there some on 3rd.

No Linebackers because McCune and Keasey will be coming along well enough for depth. I also wouldnt be surprised to see us keep our second and trade up or down a lot with our later picks. It seems like we have a pretty deep group of players either on IR or the practice squad. Not to mention we will as always fill our most pressing need with free agent signings.[/QUOTE]


ah, dude, keasy is no longer onthe roster when i last checked. he was picked up by the niners

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Yeah, maybe it was the fact we cut and resigned him at least a dozen different times during the year.

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[QUOTE=drew54]
No Linebackers because McCune and Keasey will be coming along well enough for depth.[/QUOTE]

mccunes hasn't played a down as a linebacker i don't think (mainly special teams) and keasey got cut weeks ago.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]mccunes hasn't played a down as a linebacker i don't think (mainly special teams) and keasey got cut weeks ago.[/QUOTE]i think mccune got some time in late against dallas and ny. he will have a bigger role in 06. as it is now he's already a solid special teamer

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod]i think mccune got some time in late against dallas and ny. he will have a bigger role in 06. as it is now he's already a solid special teamer[/QUOTE]

i liked the pick and i think he has the talent, hopefully he can learn the NFL before he ages out of it though.

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How about Jeremy Bloom w/ a late round pick? The guy is small but is an athelete w/ speed. He is expected to be a late round pick. He could be used as a return specialist/4th or 5th receiver. If he falls to the later round he may be worth the gamble.

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2nd round- Stanley McClover DE Auburn......he would be a great pick up, a little undersized but young and very fast. Alot of SEC lineman said he was the best lineman they faced this year. He could be Chris Clemons with better strength until he works his way into the starting lineup.

3rd/4th round- Will Blackmon CB Boston College or Anwar Phillips CB PSU....both very athletic and would give us some depth at CB, could be good nickle backs

Late rounds.....Jahri Evans OG Bloomsburg University.....this man is a monster, plays at my school (D-II) which lead the country in rushing this year. He has amazing footwork and is very mobile for a 320+ guy. Could play guard or OT which he played in college. He is going to be a steal trust me. The only reason he didn't go to a major D-1 college is because of an injury his senior year of high school.

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[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]2nd round- Stanley McClover DE Auburn......he would be a great pick up, a little undersized but young and very fast. Alot of SEC lineman said he was the best lineman they faced this year. He could be Chris Clemons with better strength until he works his way into the starting lineup.

3rd/4th round- Will Blackmon CB Boston College or Anwar Phillips CB PSU....both very athletic and would give us some depth at CB, could be good nickle backs

Late rounds.....Jahri Evans OG Bloomsburg University.....this man is a monster, plays at my school (D-II) which lead the country in rushing this year. He has amazing footwork and is very mobile for a 320+ guy. Could play guard or OT which he played in college. He is going to be a steal trust me. The only reason he didn't go to a major D-1 college is because of an injury his senior year of high school.[/QUOTE]

mcclover is a 3rd-4th round pick last i saw, wasting a 2nd on him would be a bit silly, but he or lawson would both be good fits in c clemons like roles (DE/OLB type pass rushers).

Blackmon also plays WR (730 yards last year i think), so he should definately be on the skins board... hopefully we can get a couple 3rds (comp and ramsey), but i really doubt it :( which means we lose either a CB, a TE, or a DE worth having in the third. the MD CB (mcphearson) iss a later round pick that's VERY fast... good pick, but i dont know if he could ever be a #2 corner, meaning another CB pickup in the next coupel years when springs is gone.

I know nothing about that OG... he wont go above the 5th round though, might even be undrafted.

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I have seen McClover in the 2nd or 3rd in alot of evaluations/mock drafts and after the combine his stock will go up.

Evans will be a 5th-7th rounder depending on how he works out but he will be drafted. There has been NFL scouts at his practices since his Jr. year, this year they were at practices weekly.

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Here is a little article about the OG I was talking about. He played OT in college but projects as a guard in the league. Could be a big steal in a late round.

[url]http://www.bloomu.edu/sports/fb05/fb05evanscombine.shtml[/url]

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2nd round we should take a CB

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2. Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA
3. Martin Nance WR Miami (OH)
5. Kyle Williams DT L.S.U
6. Dawan Landry SS georgia tech
6. Will Allen G Texas
7. Tre' Stallings T Ole Miss

I'd also try to make the Ramsey for Abraham trade happen

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[QUOTE=saden1]7th round - Players in this round should really be classified as un-drafted free agents as few gems ever exist among a vast collection of scrubs. I see the Skins taking an undersized defensive end.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. Nemo and Rock were both recent 7th round picks by the Skins.

If you go back to Gibbs 1, you find players like:

Keenan McCardell: 12th round 1991
Mark Schlereth: 10th round 1989
Clarence Vaughn: 8th round 1987
Kurt Gouveia: 8th round 1986
Barry Wilburn: 8th round 1985
Terry Orr: 10th round 1985
Raleigh McKenzie: 11th round 1985
Kelvin Bryant: 7th round 1983
Ken Coffey: 9th round 1982
Charlie Brown: 8th round 1981
Darryl Grant: 9th round 1981
Clint Didier: 12th round 1981

None of those guys were shabby players.

You can credit Beathard and Casserly if you like, but the point is that talent can be found in late rounds of the draft. Good scouts and GMs do not waste 7th round picks and allow those guys to walk into someone else's camp. I say that you find the biggest bull left in the pen, give him good technique coaching and make a servicable lineman out of him.

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Also :

1992 Matt Elliot C 12th Rd (336 overall)

Given the title "Mr. Insignificant" as the last player drafted that year, Elliot made the team and I believe played a few more seasons in the league after his one-year stint with the Skins. I think the only other draft picks from that class to make the team were Desmond Howard and Darryl Moore, an offensive lineman.

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[QUOTE=Sociofan]I disagree. Nemo and Rock were both recent 7th round picks by the Skins.

If you go back to Gibbs 1, you find players like:

Keenan McCardell: 12th round 1991
Mark Schlereth: 10th round 1989
Clarence Vaughn: 8th round 1987
Kurt Gouveia: 8th round 1986
Barry Wilburn: 8th round 1985
Terry Orr: 10th round 1985
Raleigh McKenzie: 11th round 1985
Kelvin Bryant: 7th round 1983
Ken Coffey: 9th round 1982
Charlie Brown: 8th round 1981
Darryl Grant: 9th round 1981
Clint Didier: 12th round 1981

None of those guys were shabby players.

You can credit Beathard and Casserly if you like, but the point is that talent can be found in late rounds of the draft. Good scouts and GMs do not waste 7th round picks and allow those guys to walk into someone else's camp. I say that you get a find the biggest bull left in the pen, give him good technique coaching and make a servicable lineman out of him.[/QUOTE]

good point, sociofan. thanks for the data.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]2. Marcedes Lewis TE UCLA
3. Martin Nance WR Miami (OH)
5. Kyle Williams DT L.S.U
6. Dawan Landry SS georgia tech
6. Will Allen G Texas
7. Tre' Stallings T Ole Miss

I'd also try to make the Ramsey for Abraham trade happen[/QUOTE]

lewis will be gone way before the skins pick. pope might still be up, but klop or day will be available in the 3rd/4th respectively and are just as good as blockers... I believe the knock on lewis was his blocking, and i don't think a pure receiving TE is really a need with cooley around, so you get more efficiency for the team by waiting a round or two and filling more dire needs while still getting one of the best blockers who's also bigger and faster than royal to boot.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]lewis will be gone way before the skins pick. pope might still be up, but klop or day will be available in the 3rd/4th respectively and are just as good as blockers... I believe the knock on lewis was his blocking, and i don't think a pure receiving TE is really a need with cooley around, so you get more efficiency for the team by waiting a round or two and filling more dire needs while still getting one of the best blockers who's also bigger and faster than royal to boot.[/QUOTE]

We will get a better picture of where these player will land after the combine. I can't wait!

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I'd love to see an OG in the second but it won't happen. They like to get developmental O-Lineman on day two and hope Buges can work his magic.

A good situational (pure pass rusher) DE could fall to us at a pretty good price if other teams worry about size and durability. This would make perfect sense for us because Wynn is a monster run stopper and then we could spell him on passing down with a N.D. Kalu type player. I don't like Arrington at De - he usually gets pushed out of the play. I'd rather keep him in between the ball carrier and our goal line as much as possible. What we need is a tweener DE/LB type if they don't get snatched up by all the 3-4 D's.

I think we are decent at DT with Boscetti and Killings getting some play time this year.

Help at DB and of course WR is also on my wishlist.

MAN, I wish we had a 1st rnd pick!!! I HATE it when they trade future picks. Draft Day is like Christmas for me.........and somebody pooped in my stocking!

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DT is alright, but noble was a lot better than joe and there's definately FAs worth at least looking at there.

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[QUOTE=Sociofan]I disagree. Nemo and Rock were both recent 7th round picks by the Skins.

If you go back to Gibbs 1, you find players like:

Keenan McCardell: 12th round 1991
Mark Schlereth: 10th round 1989
Clarence Vaughn: 8th round 1987
Kurt Gouveia: 8th round 1986
Barry Wilburn: 8th round 1985
Terry Orr: 10th round 1985
Raleigh McKenzie: 11th round 1985
Kelvin Bryant: 7th round 1983
Ken Coffey: 9th round 1982
Charlie Brown: 8th round 1981
Darryl Grant: 9th round 1981
Clint Didier: 12th round 1981

None of those guys were shabby players.

You can credit Beathard and Casserly if you like, but the point is that talent can be found in late rounds of the draft. Good scouts and GMs do not waste 7th round picks and allow those guys to walk into someone else's camp. I say that you find the biggest bull left in the pen, give him good technique coaching and make a servicable lineman out of him.[/QUOTE]

I wont credit Casserly it was all Beathard back then.

This regime hasen't proved at all that they can evaluate late round talent. They better step up to the plate this draft because there are no 1st round no brainers waiting for them.

As for which direction we should go, I think we have many needs I personally would take the best available player, I really would like to add a mauler to our offensive line I think we have a weak link in Dockery, and I am not sold on Rabach either. I would then look for some serious speed for our LB's and secondary.

Evans should move into the starting left DE, and hopefully find someone to take over for Daniels, Daniels finished strong but he's injury prone and another year older. We won't find stars, but we may find upgrades.

Perhaps the biggest impact considering our situation on defense would be a very fast outside LB who Williams can Groom, he just needs physical ability Williams will teach him the rest ALA Clemons.

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[QUOTE=Sociofan]I disagree. Nemo and Rock were both recent 7th round picks by the Skins.

If you go back to Gibbs 1, you find players like:

Keenan McCardell: 12th round 1991
Mark Schlereth: 10th round 1989
Clarence Vaughn: 8th round 1987
Kurt Gouveia: 8th round 1986
Barry Wilburn: 8th round 1985
Terry Orr: 10th round 1985
Raleigh McKenzie: 11th round 1985
Kelvin Bryant: 7th round 1983
Ken Coffey: 9th round 1982
Charlie Brown: 8th round 1981
Darryl Grant: 9th round 1981
Clint Didier: 12th round 1981

None of those guys were shabby players.

You can credit Beathard and Casserly if you like, but the point is that talent can be found in late rounds of the draft. Good scouts and GMs do not waste 7th round picks and allow those guys to walk into someone else's camp. I say that you find the biggest bull left in the pen, give him good technique coaching and make a servicable lineman out of him.[/QUOTE]

Keep in mind that most of the guys you mentioned are guys who were drafted after the 7th round. And since the NFL only has seven rounds now it's tough to compare Gibbs 1.0 to Gibbs 2.0. Guys like Clark, Clemons, Evans, Marshall (even Antonio Pierce) were all undrafted free agents that have turned out to be "not too shabby" to say the least. A decade ago these guys would have been the 8th to 12th round picks of the draft.

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[QUOTE=saden1]2rd round - OG. The redskins aren't going to take a chance on a 2nd round wide receiver unless there is a magical player there that all the other teams missed (doubtful). This is a much needed position so I can see the skins getting one with their first pick.

3nd round - DT. I suppose they could take a DE here but I think Williams is very happy with what he has.

5th round - DB. All is not well in the CB department as we have seen this past season. A DB pick makes sense here.

6th round - No quality players here. We can only hope for diamonds in the rough and this is where I see the Skins taking a LB and a WR and hope for the best.

7th round - Players in this round should really be classified as un-drafted free agents as few gems ever exist among a vast collection of scrubs. I see the Skins taking an undersized defensive end.[/QUOTE]
2 DT/CB - I don't think they'll take a Guard this high, unless he's a top prospect. A
second round CB could be a nice pick if he's a 1st round talent. If not, DT is a must, big fat run stopper a la Ted Washington.
3 WR - Gibbs may be forced to draft WR because of average free agent pool. We have to make this pick on day 1 with one of these 2 picks. Taylor Jacobs needs to go. Thrash needs to be on teams only.
5 G/T - Take a steady performer with no injuries who can play both (T in college).
6 DT/DE/OLB - We could still get a good DT this late, if we are really looking for a fat run stopper..Griffin can get to QB...For DE/OLB, A 'tweener would work here to help out Wynn, Daniels, Clemons and LaVar (I hope?). I love Demetic Evans, do we still have him? I hope we resign him.
7 WR/K For heaven's sake, John Hall used to kick the ball 60-65 yards when I was at U. of Wisconsin with him. Now he kicks like Eddie Murray's joke of a 44-yard attempt in that 9-7 debacle with Jeff George at Fed Ex back in Norv's final days...Hall kicks like an old man now.....Vanderjat/Longwell needs to come to town or we'll draft a K, or another WR just so we can cut Jacobs on the spot.
One final note:
Cedrick Killings is the toughest name in the NFL. Period.

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at round 2 we could possibly get the #2 guard in the draft. the best olb/de tweeners (real speed guys) will go in the 2nd-3rd (possibly 4th depending on other teams needs and combines). I'd still much rather WR and DE get fixed in FA, simply because the draft has crap at WR and no drafted DE is going to come in and start immediately... i guess if evans moves to start and the skins draft for 2 years from now it'd make sense, but next year with a 1st roun pick we could do better.

K is better through FA (longwell - still has 10 years of olid play left). P is better through the draft this year though. (and a coupld good WRs will go undrafted too, some 6'6" 4.5 guys to bring in and learn). one of the fastest CBs may go in the 5th (from UMD)... taking him as a future prospect couldn't hurt.

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I like the sounds of Purdue DE Ray Edwards, 6' 6" 270lbs and Pittsburgh WR Greg Lee, 6' 2" 200lbs. These are two underclassmen that may have greater upside than thier senior comrades. If we get either in the second round it's a steal!

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ray ewards in the 2nd wouldn't be a steal (he's ssuppoed to go in the 2nd), but it would be a good pickup (he would have to fall a little). Greg lee is closer to a mid 3rd rounder though, so using a 2nd on him would be a waste since he'll probably be there for the skins third.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]ray ewards in the 2nd wouldn't be a steal (he's ssuppoed to go in the 2nd), but it would be a good pickup (he would have to fall a little). Greg lee is closer to a mid 3rd rounder though, so using a 2nd on him would be a waste since he'll probably be there for the skins third.[/QUOTE]Gibbs thought drafting Jason Campbell last year was a steal when most experts projected him much lower. My point was that these two underclassmen are underrated because of thier class.

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[QUOTE=EXoffender]Gibbs thought drafting Jason Campbell last year was a steal when most experts projected him much lower. My point was that these two underclassmen are underrated because of thier class.[/QUOTE]

being an underclassman doesn't mean you're automatically underrated though (ie mike williams). edwards iss well thought of... btw, C spencer (OG/T) will be available and he's lower on the board because he spent two years playing DT before moving to Oline, so he's athletic but could use some technique work, which sounds like a good fit with the 42 coaches... (if he were a 4 year starter he'd probably be a 1st rounder and challenge for 1st OG overall)...