70Chip Presents the #56Fanatic "Does LaVar Deserve Special Treament" Poll
 

Some say that LaVar deserves better (perhaps special) treatment because he's been with us through the lean years and was once our best player. (and may still be if he could stay healthy). LaVar has been loyal and we should show him we'll go the extra mile for him.

Others say...so what. Bottom line is we were bad and now we're better and we've shown that we can win without him and his huge salary. We need to do what's best for the Redskins, not LaVar

What sayest thou?

(Thanks to TheMalcolmConnection for inspiring me to start another thread about LaVar)

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Better?
Better than what? Who?

Does he deserve better than me? I voted NO.

None of know the real story of what's going on.
Gibbs will treat him fair.


peace

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Some say that LaVar deserves better (perhaps special) treatment because he's been with us through the lean years and was once our best player. (and may still be if he could stay healthy). LaVar has been loyal and we should show him we'll go the extra mile for him.

Others say...so what. Bottom line is we were bad and now we're better and we've shown that we can win without him and his huge salary. We need to do what's best for the Redskins, not LaVar

What sayest thou?

(Thanks to TheMalcolmConnection for inspiring me to start another thread about LaVar)[/QUOTE]

I hope you used my sig!

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[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan]Better?
Better than what? Who?[/QUOTE]

Good point. I guess what I meant was do you take into consideration what he's meant to the team and community and figure out a way to make him happy (perhaps more so than you would another player) or do you say LaVar is just one person on the team and regardless of what happened five years ago that shouldn't have any bearing on what is decided this spring.

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I haven't weighed heavily on this decision mainly because there's so many factors that we don't know. We don't know how well LaVar will play with the offseason to strengthen his knee and get back into true "game shape". I believe he can be dominant if he can continue to learn the system and play the way GW asks him to play because God knows the talent is there.

That aside, we DON'T know if that would happen. Just from watching the games towards the end of the season, I saw LaVar (for the most part) be in position, make plays and generally be a good team player. Granted, he had a few lapses and missed tackles, but who didn't?

Because of all this uncertainty I voted "No", just because I fall into the same group of people who feel his contract is what keeps me from wanting him here and him deserving special treatment. In addition to that, anyone who shoots off at the mouth like he does, does not deserve special treatment.

Yes, LaVar, you're a charismatic guy who wears his emotions on his sleeve and someone who knows JUST all the right things to say. BUT, if you're in the headlines every other week with things you are implying, you don't deserve anything special.

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Hell no

No single player is above the team.

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Nobody deserves any special treatment, EVER. Nobody is bigger than the team, nobody is more important than the team. Lavar should get treated like everyone else.

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Nobody deserves special treatment. I am by no means anti-LaVar. Personally, I'd love to see the guy restructure to a deal which is "fair" for both parties. I realize that is a loaded term, but ultimately I'd like to see LaVar stick with us long enough to get a ring & retire a Redskin. How about it Lavar?

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lavar is the man. I want him here. does he deserve "Special" treatment? no

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LaVar has been a loyal Redskin, despite being a little too outspoken. I hate to see him go, but it seems like a done deal.

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I'd like to hear what those who have voted "yes" have to say

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im the first to vote yes.......even tho i agree witht hte fact that the team comes before the player, but a couple yrs ago he was the face of our franchise, he was good when we sucked and hes good now that were good, aanyone who was ever the face of the franchise should get BETTER* treatment than a player who just "showup." also he got that big a contract b.c "HE CAN PLAY"..... he performed this season even after the problems he had with coaches and front office....( contract greivence, being benched, media, comming off season ending injury) he deserved his pay............honestly how many big plays have u seen holdman make?......hes jst an average person who plug the gaps when he was supposed to. when LA was in he made big plays...he had more TFL then any redskin on the team this season and he oplayed 1/3 of a season.......

Year Team GP/GS T S Sack PD FF FR INT Yds TD
2005 Redskins 13/8 53 45 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2004 Redskins 4/2 18 10 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
2003 Redskins 16/16 116 71 6 10 7 2 0 0 0
2002 Redskins 16/16 107 73 11 8 4 3 0 0 0
2001 Redskins 14/14 118 76 0.5 6 0 2 3 120 1
2000 Redskins 16/11 73 53 4 4 0 0 0 0 0
Total 79/67 467 335 22.5 30 11 7 3 120 1

2005: Arrington played in 13 games and started eight, recording 53 tackles (45 solo). He also started two games in the playoffs, recording 12 tackles and one interception with a 21-yard return.
([url]http://www.redskins.com/team/profile[/url])

these stats show that the guy can play.....look at his sack column in 03' when he was 100% he has the ability to make the big play! hes fast, he can hit, he can get off his blocks, the only thing that slows him down is his so called "freelancing" and this season since he did a lot better job executing the play call, he didnt make the big plays he usually did when "freelancing".........work with LA! work with him to rework his contract..........this guy is a "core guy" as u guys love to ssay and love for gibbs to have........you want "core guy" its this guy...........micheal irvin used to run his mouth to the media also look at him now.....what im trying to say is no ones perfect and this guy talks with, and plays with emotion.........

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I love Lavar as much as the next guy, but he does not deserve anything special. Business is business and nothing is personal. People like Lavar get cut every year from their football team. Will I miss him, YES.

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He should be on this team and he won't be getting special treatment. Lavar will be a pro bowler again. I don't get understand all that CBA stuff but if lavar will restructure it isn't anything "special"; it will be deserved. Its not like because he was the face of the team he will be getting a new contract but rather because he has the ability to be the face of the team in the future. Lavar is the man.

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thank you

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yes, he has done nothing but has been a good player for the skins. he gets hurt and people turn their back on him... when we were terrible he said he wanted to stay a skin for life and continues to say it now. he should not be traded for Ray Lewis on anyone else for that matter

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Some say that LaVar deserves better (perhaps special) treatment because he's been with us through the lean years and was once our best player. (and may still be if he could stay healthy). LaVar has been loyal and we should show him we'll go the extra mile for him.

Others say...so what. Bottom line is we were bad and now we're better and we've shown that we can win without him and his huge salary. We need to do what's best for the Redskins, not LaVar

What sayest thou?

(Thanks to TheMalcolmConnection for inspiring me to start another thread about LaVar)[/QUOTE]

[color=black]I'm not sure if you’re trying to be humorous...if so I missed the joke. No one is saying that Lavar deserves to be placed above the team...the fact of the matter is that we don't know the real story behind Lavar and fans shouldn't be so quick to draw conclusion. [/color]

"Treated better"...No...How about being treated like a person; a human being!

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Wow, should I feel special?

1st off, I dont think he should get special treatment, no player should get special treatment. 2ndly, reworking his deal would save us a good bit of money on the cap for next year. I am not a big fan of reworking deals, but in this case with the cap hit being such a huge burden, and LaVar willing to take less money to stay here, why not! I do feel he has been, at times, treated unfairly. Now, whos guilty for that, who knows, not anyone here, and not me. we all have out OPINIONS on who is at fault. The fact is he is a good LB, at one time one of the best in the NFL. That was before the injury. At the end of the year, and through the playoffs he was a playmaker and put Sean Alexander out(clean or not) He means a lot to the fans and to the community. That doesn't mean we keep him for the fans sake, you can not run a team that way. However, it would be different if he had the talent of a waterboy. He will be back to 100%, should be back to his original playing weight which will bring back the quickness and stamina. He will also be much stronger with his legs and more than likely would be a better pass rusher. My vote for special treatment is NO. I am tired of the LaVar issue. we will see if he is here or not shortly.

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I think the Skins have been more loyal to Lavar than he has to them. Has Lavar lived up to his contract? NO! Has he lived up to the elite status that a #2 pick in the draft should be? NO! And the fact that Lavar has been grossly overpaid he has the nerve to make a major stink about another 6 mil that he never had coming to begin with, as if the 68 mil wasen't double what he was worth to begin with, kind of like knocking off fort knox, and then going back to accuse someone of lifting your wallet.

Lavar has proven this much, he can easily be replaced by the likes of Lamar Marshall, and Chris Clemons, kind of funny we start winning as soon as Lavar hits the bench, so far he's shown we can lose with him, and win without him. You don't win football games because you have charisma, you win by playing smart football, that's something Lavar has yet to prove.

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If Greg Williams and Dale Lindsey determine that Lavar can be a solid contributor for the next few years , then we should do whatever is necessary to ease his cap burden and keep him here. If they believe his best days are behind him, then they should cut him loose unless keeping him for say, one more year somehow benefits our cap.

Any sentimental or heartstring type b.s. should not be considered when dealing with any personel decision. Those days ended when #28 retired (and well before that for all the other numbers) This is a league wher Joe Montana was let go by the 49ers. Where Emmitt Smith became a Cardinal. Jerry Rice was cut in pre-season by the Broncos. Art Monk, my God, Art Monk played for the gd Eagles. No special treatment.

BTW. Why is it that three seperate Lavar threads are booming while may brilliant, insightful post regarding the League of 9 Extraordinary Gentleman is ignored. I think it's because the anti-Lavarites enjoy hearing the pro-Lavarites make verbal googly eyes. I lova Lavara soa mucha. I can'ta liva without hima.

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[QUOTE=offiss]I think the Skins have been more loyal to Lavar than he has to them. Has Lavar lived up to his contract? NO! Has he lived up to the elite status that a #2 pick in the draft should be? NO! And the fact that Lavar has been grossly overpaid he has the nerve to make a major stink about another 6 mil that he never had coming to begin with, as if the 68 mil wasen't double what he was worth to begin with, kind of like knocking off fort knox, and then going back to accuse someone of lifting your wallet.

Lavar has proven this much, he can easily be replaced by the likes of Lamar Marshall, and Chris Clemons, kind of funny we start winning as soon as Lavar hits the bench, so far he's shown we can lose with him, and win without him. You don't win football games because you have charisma, you win by playing smart football, that's something Lavar has yet to prove.[/QUOTE]

dude, what are you talking about? Did he play his ass off before being injured? YES. did he put up pro-bowl numbers every year? YES. He had major knee injury that forced him out for basically two years. And to say about winning, our defense started playing alot better when he was in the games full time, if him being on the bench helped, I do believe Williams would have kept him there. Fact was, williams knew LaVar deserved, and earned PT. As he proved again the second half and in the playoffs, when he was as close to 100% as hes been in two years. Are you kidding me with this Clemons crap?, he is a 3rd down player, if he was any kind of player wouldn't he have been infront of Holdman. Hey, Danny gave him that money, LaVar signed the contract. Has Danny ever overpaid anybody? I believe about almost all the free agents he has signed have been overpaid compared to what other players with their stats generally get. This contract thing was dropped by LaVar, the Player Association did not drop it, hense the law suit against his agent filed by the PA. Get your facts straight before talking. of course I am going to be the LAVAR LOVER, bla bla bla, doesn't matter! I would stick up for any player on the team that deserved it.

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No he doesn't deserve special treatment. Do I want him off the team? No, I can't say I do. I think Lavar is a shell of what he used to be, but I believe that probably has to do with all the playing time he missed with being injured. I'd give him another healthy season to make my decision on Lavar.

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Poor LaVar.

Give me a break, I can't believe people actually fall for his sad sack routine.

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[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe][color=black]I'm not sure if you’re trying to be humorous...if so I missed the joke. No one is saying that Lavar deserves to be placed above the team...the fact of the matter is that we don't know the real story behind Lavar and fans shouldn't be so quick to draw conclusion. [/color]

"Treated better"...No...How about being treated like a person; a human being![/QUOTE]

Well there have been posts in the past that talk about how he's meant so much to the team, and he's the face of the organization, and remember how he was our best player back in 2002. Some quotes from TheWarpath.net:

"For all the Lavar Bashers...I'm not sure where all the negativity towards Lavar is coming from but it is not deserved. This guy has been the face of our franchise since he came on board and is guilty of nothing but wanting to win."

"Who cares about what he makes...he must of done something right to recieve the contract in the first place. As I stated before...it's not our place as fans to worry about what a player makes and rather he deserves it or not. If he is "overpaid", consider it compensation for all the BS that everyone has been putting him through."

"The man gave our defense an attitude and ferocity back when the 'skins were a struggling team."

"He was the face of the organization through thick and thin, during those bad years. He wants to be a Redskin for life. LOYALTY, us fans bitch about loyalty, that the players are here for the money, they have no loyalty. This guy has more loyalty to the Redskins than I have ever seen out of todays players."

And all I'm saying is should that matter? I think truthfully it's a factor, but it should not be the deciding factor. But for those that believe (and I'm pretty sure there are quite a few who do) that we "owe" LaVar something all I'm asking is why?

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those that say yes are mainly argueing an emotional attachment. his contract is horrible and he runs to the media to whine too much. If you give him special treatment than moss needs it too, and portis, and taylor, and....

moss and taylor are playing WAY above their contracts, have started every game, haven't whined to the media and have consistantly been more concerned with winning than playing time. of all the people on the team, lavar deserves nothing because he hasn't really played in two years and he's complained to the media every other week.

as for loyalty, you realize he's gotten MILLIONS to ride the bench and has 12mill more this year. he's been paid for his loyalty, and its killing the team due to the cap concerns its brought.

and you CANNOT rework his contract without a new CBA. If it isn't signed lavar's contract (danny's fault, not his) will single handedly nuke the roster.

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I think that we should keep Lavar because he likes apple pie... my favorite.

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[quote]"Who cares about what he makes...he must of done something right to recieve the contract in the first place. As I stated before...it's not our place as fans to worry about what a player makes and rather he deserves it or not. If he is "overpaid", consider it compensation for all the BS that everyone has been putting him through."[/quote]

everyone should care because what he makes and whether he lives up to his contract directly affects the competitiveness of the team. like i said, no cba and HIS contract forces a mass release of players.

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Lavar is my favorite Skin. But he should be dealt with like anyone else on the team. If Arrington reworks his contract He could be back next year. But I must say I would be happily surprised if he does.

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I voted yes just to piss everyone else off...lol.

But seriously, does he deserve "special" treatment? No. I think he should be treated just like any other Redskin...that means he's definitely gone. Big Deal + Any drop in production = A ticket out of Washington. That's how Snyder rolls.

What's the worst part about it is that everyone here turns on those players immediately after they get cut, like it's their fault. Did they make Snyder give them the huge money? No. But it'll happen with Portis and Taylor and Griffin and almost happened with Samuels and will probably happen with Washington and Jansen at some point.

That's what we do here. Not to put it all on Washington, that's today's NFL, but we're some of the worst offenders, IMO.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Hell no

No single player is above the team.[/QUOTE]
That wasn't question......Hell yeah..he deserves better....he's our boy!!!
....Geez..and when he's our D mvp next year? people will be breaking their knees jumping back on wagon.......:frusty: :) :Smoker:

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Where did "special" come from anyway....thought it was deserve better?
Ohh sry Taff...didnt read ()s in 1st post....
Say whatcha mean or mean watcha say. :)

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[QUOTE=44deisel44]Where did "special" come from anyway....thought it was deserve better?
Ohh sry Taff...didnt read ()s in 1st post....
Say whatcha mean or mean watcha say. :)[/QUOTE]

I've edited the thread title to reflect the fact that it's about him deserving better treatment than others...or "special" treatment

The poll was concocted during another chronic session with Redskins_P. We have this friend who's a bad [URL=http://youtube.com/watch?v=m7JmtJQMfIA&search=towelie]influence[/URL]

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[QUOTE=44deisel44]That wasn't question......Hell yeah..he deserves better....he's our boy!!!
....Geez..and when he's our D mvp next year? people will be breaking their knees jumping back on wagon.......:frusty: :) :Smoker:[/QUOTE]

he'll have a hard time competing with griffin, washington, and taylor... all of whom make less than half his current price.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]What's the worst part about it is that everyone here turns on those players immediately after they get cut, like it's their fault...
That's what we do here. [/QUOTE]

I dont remember people feeling that way when Thrash went to the Eagles, or when Trent Green was sent packing. The difference here is simply that Lavar has not earned his paycheck for two years and the Skins have to deal with the salary cap. People tend to stand behind the guys that work thier ass off, keep thier mouth shut, and don't complain about thier paycheck (i.e those two guys I mentioned above). Lavar, for all his talent, is guilt of breaking at least two of these three football fan rules.

Again, as mentioned, these things are why fans have different opinions about the Lavar release and why your statement about the fans turning on Lavar after his release my become true. I just believe that if it does, it is his fault.

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im not sure special treatment is the right wording.after being a model employee on a team that he could have jumped ship,demanded a trade,talked bad about management.he said the right things,came to work every day ,and gave the skins 110% every time he stepped on the field.for a 2-4 year span lavar was the face of the skins.i voted yes(but im not sure how much free reign is involved)and the redskins do have to factor in his salary cap issues

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Although I like what Arrington brings to the field, Offiss made a very good point in bringing up that he never lived up to expectations. Many people said he'd be the next Lawrence Taylor (when Arrington first entered the league). Kind of the same way potentially great rookie safeties are compared to Ronnie Lott. Arrington has been solid, but his stats do not reflect Taylor type numbers. How many times did LA post 10+ sacks and 100+ tackles per season? LT had 7.5 sacks in 1991, when he was in the twilight of his career. Arrington only posted more than six sacks in a year just ONCE. Am I saying he's a bad player? NO. But he never did live up to the hype surrounding him.

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Something else. When Darrell Green had opportunities to go other places, he restructured his contract to stay in Washington, even though it meant taking a pay cut. Lots of people profess loyalty to their teams these days (remember Antonio Pierce and Fred Smoot?), but few back it up. If Arrington restructures, I'll believe him. But all the rumors about him retiring and wanting to leave have cast serious doubts in my mind regarding his future with the 'skins. I hope he can stay, but not at the unecessary expense of the team. :duel:

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[QUOTE=jermus22]Although I like what Arrington brings to the field, Offiss made a very good point in bringing up that he never lived up to expectations. Many people said he'd be the next Lawrence Taylor (when Arrington first entered the league). Kind of the same way potentially great rookie safeties are compared to Ronnie Lott. Arrington has been solid, but his stats do not reflect Taylor type numbers. How many times did LA post 10+ sacks and 100+ tackles per season? LT had 7.5 sacks in 1991, when he was in the twilight of his career. Arrington only posted more than six sacks in a year just ONCE. Am I saying he's a bad player? NO. But he never did live up to the hype surrounding him.[/QUOTE]

While I agree he hasn't lived up to the hype I think it's a little unfair.

His hype coming out of college was unreal. The next LT? Tell me that's not unfair expectations. Nobody gave him the chance to become the next LaVar... but then again by taking the #56 LaVar didn't help the situation and it only fueled the hype even further.

I do think his career is far from over and he still has time to get back on track and re-establish himself as one of the more exciting defenders in the game.

It's just a question whether he'll have the chance to do that in a Redskins uniform or not.

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I say yes. I am a big fan of loyalty and doing the right thing by your employees. Treating him with a little extra respect goes a long way towards showing your other players that you care about them and want them to be happy which I think in turn helps you keep guys at lower costs and makes for an overall happier and more productive group. I don't think you make decisions that really hurt your team in deference to offering this extra respect but I think little (more manageable) concessions along they way would have been the best way to handle him.

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I'm one of the one's who voted NO, BUT do you think that LaVar should give the REDSKINS special treatment when it comes to restructuring his contract to help out the team?