Brunell Reworks Deal (FKA "Brunell Reluctant to Renegotiate Deal")
 

Redskins8588 just posted an article from the WP indicating that Brunell doesn't want to redo his deal.

Brunell has a $4 million base salary for 2006, the second highest on the team, and his agent refused to convert his salary into a signing bonus. The proposed restructured deal would shave a few million off of our cap next season.

What gives Mark? Thanks for helping us out last season, but we need your help again ... in bad, bad way. Hopefully this will get sorted out.

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I find it hard to beleive that Mark won't restructure. I would think if Coach Gibbs gives him a call and ask for help Mark would reconsider. Here lately I just dont know what to beleive. There is no reason why he should not redo his deal. If Gibbs did not beleive in him he would of been a back up QB the past 2 seasons.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]One of our newer members, Redskins8588, just posted an article from the WP indicating that Brunell doesn't want to redo his deal.

Brunell has a $4 million base salary for 2006, the second highest on the team, and his agent refused to convert his salary into a signing bonus. The proposed restructured deal would shave a few million off of our cap next season.

What gives Mark? Thanks for helping us out last season, but we need your help again ... in bad, bad way. Hopefully this will get sorted out.[/QUOTE]

That's not away to make friends is it? Well maybe the wrong guy needs to go! Would I be heart broken if the CBA is not done and Burnell is cut not Ramsey? No if he isn't going to help out!!! See ya Mark :coach: ..have fun as a Jet! :insane: After all those hits!!!

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]One of our newer members, Redskins8588, just posted an article from the WP indicating that Brunell doesn't want to redo his deal.

Brunell has a $4 million base salary for 2006, the second highest on the team, and his agent refused to convert his salary into a signing bonus. The proposed restructured deal would shave a few million off of our cap next season.

What gives Mark? Thanks for helping us out last season, but we need your help again ... in bad, bad way. Hopefully this will get sorted out.[/QUOTE]
Brunnel=Bitch if he doens't help us. we helped him. Gibbs helped him. He sucked ass. We gave him another shot. He got good. he became a bitch. plain and Simple. Every player that does not help us in this tough time, expecially if they owe us, is a bitch

Redskins8588 isn't a new member he has been here twice as long as me. I might be a new member but i have been here for over a year.:confused:

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It does suck that Brunnell will not help us out in our time of need, I mean hell we gave him a second chance this year, well Gibbs did, it is the least that he could do. I do not think that many teams would have given him the oppertunity that he was given this year after such a horrible outing in 2004...

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]Brunnel=Bitch if he doens't help us. we helped him. Gibbs helped him. He sucked ass. We gave him another shot. He got good. he became a bitch. plain and Simple. Every player that does not help us in this tough time, expecially if they owe us, is a bitch

Redskins8588 isn't a new member he has been here twice as long as me. I might be a new member but i have been here for over a year.:confused:[/QUOTE]

Yup, you're right. Sorry, Redskins8588 I got you confused with another member with a similar screen name (Redskins + numbers). :smashfrea :doh:

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If this is true
Brunell=bitch
Ramsey still one of my favorite players. I know I want him to do good when he leaves(even though it makes us look bad) because he has been a model team player. He is always exited. He is jumping around all happy when we do good and is a true redskin. He is the man. I have a feeling he would give up a lot of money if we gave him shots like we give brunell. At the second dallas game I got real close to the redskins bench and Ramsey was running around hitting people on their heads and going wooooo. No one else was acting crazy exited but he was, a back-up.

Brunell owes gibbs and the skins his legacy as a player. If he is going to be a jackass we should have dropped his ass before this season and he could go into retirement dishonored and with a tarnished legacy.

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yeah there is a crazy look alike that goes by redskins88, but not to be confused with me, redskins8588, the 85 my old football number, and the 88 is for dale jarrett, nascar driver who pretty much got his start with Gibbs... But no harm no foul, it happens...

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]But no harm no foul, it happens...[/QUOTE]

Thanks, apparently I had a massive brain fart. I think the CBA impasse may be causing my brain to malfunction.

I'm freaking out right now.

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My guess is that this decision is less about Brunell the person than it is about Brunell the union member. He's probably, as are other NFL players around the league, been instructed to not acquiesce during this time of negotiations

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OK, so if he doesn't restructure if we need him to after the negotiations are done I will lose respect for him.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]My guess is that this decision is less about Brunell the person than it is about Brunell the union member. He's probably, as are other NFL players around the league, to not acquiesce during this time of negotiations[/QUOTE]

TAFKAS makes a very good point here. Brunell might be siding with the union. Brunell might not want to make a deal until he knows whether or not an extension will be reached. If an extension is reached, Brunell might not want to restructure out of self-preservation. If I understand the salary cap correctly and a deal is reached, there will be a cap, albeit a larger one, in 2007. If Brunell restructures his cap figure in 2007 will increase by a few million; making it more likely that he will be a cap casualty in 2007.

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We don't have enough facts to make any kind of judgment of Brunell at this point. For all we know he was offered the league minimum. I believe Mark will restructure to help the team but it should be equitable for both parties. Until we know what he is turning down we are jumping the gun.

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depending on players to restructure every year is a stupid idea. no one wants to restructure, it makes getting cut next year much more likely, and if you're cut, you're losing money.

If you didn't think there'd be problems playing with people's contracts, you're fooling yourself.

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AHHHH my kind of thread, I would laugh my A** off if this guy doesn't restructure, Gibbs has kept him off the scrap heap the last 2 years, and basically treated Brunell like the son he never had, if he turns around and thumbs his nose at him and refuses to restructure, that would be classic. I seriously doubt that would happen, he's already made far more money with us than he would have with any other team, he owes Gibbs big time.

He may be hearing grumblings that he's no longer the teachers pet, as Gibbs is going to push hard for Campbell this season, and he's not going to take a pay cut to sit the bench, perhaps he overheard Saunders evaluation of him and it ain't good. Welcome to Ramseys world Mark. :biggthump

Perhaps the Jets or Dolphins would give up a high pick for Brunell? You know because he's so good. Don't make me laugh.

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It might be a bit early to lead him down the Green Mile. As Tafkas pointed out, all is not known at this point. I'm sure he will do the right thing. If not, don't let the door hit you in.........................

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its all strictly business.by the way,what kind of cap hit if we cut brunell loose?

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If Mark Brunell doesn't restructure we should cut him. Go into the season with Campbell and Ramsey. I don't know what the cap savings is, but if it's considerable, then he should go. This isn't emotional, it's just business, remember. Everyone who said that about LaVar should apply it to MB, right now. It's the same situation.

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for the fifthteenth time, brunell costs 300k more to cut then to keep. ramsey costs 1.7mill more to keep then to cut. If a new cba gets done then the situation flips. right now MB has the leverage though.

and without a new cba we literally can't afford even a 300k (+230-310k replacement cost) hit just to be spiteful.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]for the fifthteenth time, brunell costs 300k more to cut then to keep. ramsey costs 1.7mill more to keep then to cut. If a new cba gets done then the situation flips. right now MR has the leverage though.

and without a new cba we literally can't afford even a 300k (+230-310k replacement cost) hit just to be spiteful.[/QUOTE]

wow, thanks and sorry for making you repeat it so many times. So, Mark holds all the cards on this one I guess. He doesn't have to restructure cause the Skins don't gain much by cutting him. That makes him even more of an ass if he doesn't restructure.

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I think we're all reading more into this than we should at this point. With the cba thing still unresolved noone is jumping the gun in any direction. Problem for Brunnell he might find himself not in a Redskins uniform next season if cba doesn't pass...

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]My guess is that this decision is less about Brunell the person than it is about Brunell the union member. He's probably, as are other NFL players around the league, to not acquiesce during this time of negotiations[/QUOTE]

That makes way too much sense, it's easier to just label him a bitch.

He's probably on roids too, and in his roid rage he's refusing to restructure.

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That article is deceptive where it says they want him to convert salary into bonus and reduce his cap number. In order for that to happen he has to take less not only this year but every year of the contract because of the 30% rule. If it were a simple restructure he'd do it in a heartbeat. They can't even do what they did last year and make salary into incentives because in the last capped year all incentives count against the cap as if they were likely to be earned so his cap hit wouldn't change.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Gibbs has kept him off the scrap heap the last 2 years, and basically treated Brunell like the son he never had[/QUOTE]
First, Gibbs has a son.

Second, yes, it's crazy to rely on players to restructure their deals, but I think it's understood that you are going to have to restructure if you want to stick around for long. If Brunell restructures, maybe he lasts 2 years. If he doesn't restructure, he's gone after next year. Yes, it would be a paycut (looking at yearly average salary), but I think it was understood from the outset that his contract was not meant to run its course.

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Remember all the posts on the LA threat about should he receive special treatment from the skins? A line used in most all those posts was no he should not because business is business. Well for MB, business is business. He owes the skins nothing but a days work for a days pay.

Whether its a good idea (career wise) for him to restructure is something he has to decide for himself but the notion that he needs to do this to help the skins out is off base. Business is business and for MB, nearing the end of his career, he's in the business of getting as much $ as he can in the best playing situation he can find.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]for the fifthteenth time, brunell costs 300k more to cut then to keep. ramsey costs 1.7mill more to keep then to cut. If a new cba gets done then the situation flips. right now MR has the leverage though.

and without a new cba we literally can't afford even a 300k (+230-310k replacement cost) hit just to be spiteful.[/QUOTE]

MR? Is that Pat and Mark's love child? :)

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]MR? Is that Pat and Mark's love child? :)[/QUOTE]

you have angered the tiki gods.


if MB gave up 500k this year, he'd also have to give up 650k next year to have his contract be legal within the confines of the 30% rule, as someone pointed out a few posts up. therefore its real money.

that means to cut his base saslary this year by 500k requires turning 1.15mill of base salary (500k in 2006 and 650k in 2007 due to the 30% rule) into a bonus that only prorates out 4 years (to 2009)... that's nearly 300k that still counts against the cap this year.

So a 500k cut this year and 650k cut next year combined only saves the skins 200k on the cap in 2006... talk about diminishing returns. If he nuked his entire base salary to vet min, thats till only about 600k savings this year and it virtually gaurantees he won't be on the roster in 2007.

of course, he could actually give up a lot of money in both 2006 AND 2007, but not many people are going to agree to a massive paycut, regardless of the situation.

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This all goes back to the decision to waaaaay overpay Brunell when we signed him. It's coming back to bite us in the ass.

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overpaid wynn and lavar (and samuels, we had a chance to get him much cheaper before the walter jones deal) too

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It's much easier to make rational, logical decisions when the future is known. Unfortunately, the future is...........not...............

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]That makes way too much sense, it's easier to just label him a bitch.

He's probably on roids too, and in his roid rage he's refusing to restructure.[/QUOTE]

While I don't believe this comment was necessarily directed at me, I feel the need to respond. I don't think that Mark Brunell is any different from LaVar when it comes to the need to restructure his deal. We have to get LaVar restructured cause it would cost too much to cut him. We need to get Brunell restructured cause we are way over the cap and need to get under. I do think that calling him a "bitch" might be a little out of line, but we desperately need cap space. If he refuses to renegotiate his deal, he's pretty much an ass.

As for Mark Brunell and the business aspect is concerned...people on this site hate LaVar because of how much he's paid. That may not be everyone, but a lot of people think if he doesn't restructure he's gone. So, I think people should be able to think the same about Mark Brunell.

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Heres why I dont understand this.... why wouldn't you renegoiate the deal? Everything as far as base salaries can be gaurnteed after this season, so why wouldnt you renegotiate it and get all that gaurnteed money? Especially when a guy like Brunell will probaboly get cut within the next couple years anyways?

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[QUOTE=jdlea]While I don't believe this comment was necessarily directed at me, I feel the need to respond. I don't think that Mark Brunell is any different from LaVar when it comes to the need to restructure his deal. We have to get LaVar restructured cause it would cost too much to cut him. We need to get Brunell restructured cause we are way over the cap and need to get under. I do think that calling him a "bitch" might be a little out of line, but we desperately need cap space. If he refuses to renegotiate his deal, he's pretty much an ass.

As for Mark Brunell and the business aspect is concerned...people on this site hate LaVar because of how much he's paid. That may not be everyone, but a lot of people think if he doesn't restructure he's gone. So, I think people should be able to think the same about Mark Brunell.[/QUOTE]

I don't disagree, I would just prefer see the big picture rather than just jumping to conclusions and assume he's just being difficult for the sake of being difficult.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]As for Mark Brunell and the business aspect is concerned...people on this site hate LaVar because of how much he's paid. That may not be everyone, but a lot of people think if he doesn't restructure he's gone. So, I think people should be able to think the same about Mark Brunell.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I noticed that too. It seems one of the themes of this forum is to hate on anyone that makes a lot of money, or wants more money. It happened with Samuels, Smoot and Pierce, and it's happening to Arrington right now. But of course there's a double standard when it comes to Brunell, and we have to think rationally about what the reason could be for him not restructuring...

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]Yeah, I noticed that too. It seems one of the themes of this forum is to hate on anyone that makes a lot of money, or wants more money. It happened with Samuels, Smoot and Pierce, and it's happening to Arrington right now. But of course there's a double standard when it comes to Brunell, and we have to think rationally about what the reason could be for him not restructuring...[/QUOTE]

When it comes to renegotiating, I have give more leniency to the player that has been a team player throughout his stay with our organization. Someone who never questions the coaches decisions, and supports the other people around him without question, even when they are trying to take his job. I like what Mark Brunell does for our team, 1000 times more than I like what Lavar does for our team. Mark and Joe are the same type of man. I know that no matter what happens, Mark will not shoot us in the foot if he can honestly avoid it.

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[QUOTE=Monksdown]When it comes to renegotiating, I have give more leniency to the player that has been a team player throughout his stay with our organization. Someone who never questions the coaches decisions, and supports the other people around him without question, even when they are trying to take his job. I like what Mark Brunell does for our team, 1000 times more than I like what Lavar does for our team. Mark and Joe are the same type of man. I know that no matter what happens, Mark will not shoot us in the foot if he can honestly avoid it.[/QUOTE]

LaVar has already come out and said that he would restructure. I also know he's restructured more than once for this team. He complained one time to the media before the Eagles game. How much did it hurt the team? LaVar said all the right things to ESPN when he had an interview about his being benched. He put the blame on himself. I don't think that you can say LaVar isn't a team player.

I do agree that Mark is a team player, but I don't necessarily agree that LaVar isn't.

As for giving either the benefit of the doubt, I thought it was all just business. That means we shouldn't give anyone the benefit of the doubt cause emotional attachment has no place in these decisions.

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Sorry. Sometimes I go off on a "I hate Lavar" tangent. It's the most uncomfortable during dates. Where I realize I've been talking about the cap, and how useless Lavar is. I look up, and she is already trying to end the date.

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lavar being willing and actually getting it done are two different things. I need to see it, words don't mean much. I personally don't hold what people make against them, btu at the same time if they're not playing up to their contract i have no qualms about seeing them go.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]While I don't believe this comment was necessarily directed at me, I feel the need to respond. I don't think that Mark Brunell is any different from LaVar when it comes to the need to restructure his deal. We have to get LaVar restructured cause it would cost too much to cut him. We need to get Brunell restructured cause we are way over the cap and need to get under. I do think that calling him a "bitch" might be a little out of line, but we desperately need cap space. If he refuses to renegotiate his deal, he's pretty much an ass.

As for Mark Brunell and the business aspect is concerned...people on this site hate LaVar because of how much he's paid. That may not be everyone, but a lot of people think if he doesn't restructure he's gone. So, I think people should be able to think the same about Mark Brunell.[/QUOTE]

Why is MB an ass for looking out for what he views as his own best interests? The minute he's of no use to the skins he will be gone because the skins are looking out for their best interests so why can he look out for his? Sounds like a double standard.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]lavar being willing and actually getting it done are two different things. I need to see it, words don't mean much. [/QUOTE]

I would agree with that, but at the same time, LaVar will have to be willing to give up a lot of money to get his deal restructured. However, if he changes the roster bonus to a signing bonus then it's guaranteed so he'll see it even if he does get cut, so I don't see the point in not restructuring. However, I pretty much think that everyone need to restructure right now cause I want this team to stay together. I know cuts need to be made, I just hope they don't include too many starters. I know that's not realistic, but it's really gonna suck to see a lot of these guys go.