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V. Cerrato has f-ed our team again with this whole salary cap fiasco. He did it when he was here the first time, then Schottenheimer comes in and "rights the ship" for one year, Cerrato comes back and trashes it again. Why is he still around? He over pays everyone, is a poor talent evaluator, and structures deals that end up biting the skins in the ass, not to mention those crazy bug eyes. I know he is DS's boy but where ever he goes, he seems to bring salary cap problems along with him, hes the one that screwed up the 49ers cap years ago.

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Uhm, the Redskins have been one of the best teams in the league at massaging the salary cap, we're not the only team that will be completely screwed if the CBA doesn't get signed. For instance, the Atlanta Falcons are well under the cap as it stands now, but if the CBA isn't signed then they may have to cut Warrick Dunn (stole that from Pasta Belly). I really can't put any blame on the Redskins organization for the way they've handled the cap, the CBA is a bit of an exception, but I have yet to see us fall into cap hell where we have to liquify the team (see the Titans)

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[QUOTE=Stacks42]V. Cerrato has f-ed our team again with this whole salary cap fiasco. He did it when he was here the first time, then Schottenheimer comes in and "rights the ship" for one year, Cerrato comes back and trashes it again. Why is he still around? He over pays everyone, is a poor talent evaluator, and structures deals that end up biting the skins in the ass, not to mention those crazy bug eyes. I know he is DS's boy but where ever he goes, he seems to bring salary cap problems along with him, hes the one that screwed up the 49ers cap years ago.[/QUOTE]

Cerrato isn't the GM. Moreover, many of the recent free agent acquisitions have been good - Griffin, Moss, Washington, Springs, Portis, Thomas, Clark, to name a few. Who we draft is often determined by the coach, Snyder, and the scouting reports (which Cerrato doesn't do). So, I'm not sure how Cerrato is to blame. But, I know he's a popular figure to blame.

While we may be entering the depths of the salary cap hell, we wouldn't be (at least yet) if the CBA were extended (as most thought it would be). The Redskins have done a pretty good job of proving people like me wrong about how good/bad our cap is being managed. For years people like me said that we were going to go into cap jail. We haven't really seen too much cap hell yet (save the loss of Pierce and Smoot). If an extension to the CBA is reached, we might not ever see cap hell.

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I actually think what the Redskins did, planning wise, was a decent job of managing the cap.. Their obvious mis-step was assuming the CBA would be signed. If so, they would only be about 8 million over the cap, easily able to get to that point and have $$ to sign free agents... Nobody anticipated this labor situation coming to pass and even with it coming we are potentially looking at not having 4 starters (Royal, Clark, Hall, Wynn) from last season's playoff team? We'll have no veteran depth, but with teams looking at releasing players like Dunn, Derrick Brooks, Moulds, Simeon Rice it's not going to be as ugly as it will be in other cities from a star/impact player standpoint.

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if a new cba happens, we'll be fine. last year the skin made almost no moves (rabach, cheap... moss, VERY cheap, and patten, also cheap) in an effort to balance out the cap which was spiraling a bit out of control. they were fixing it with sound financial restraint, but a dead cba will kill it outright.

the 4 worst contracts we have right now are lavar (pre gibbs), brunell (that on gibbs being to eager and falling into a one way bidding war with himself), wynn (pre gibbs), and samuels (danny coul've gotten him MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper if he didn't wait and let walter jones sign a crazy deal instead).

that's it. the portis contract isn't great, but its structured well enough that the bonus money won't be killer when its time to rework or let him go. They signed marshall to a long deal before he started 16 games at MLB, washington has earned his check and moss performed WAY above his deal. everyone else is generally a good value.

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the good news (i guess) is at least these players are coming back:
5 offensive starters, 5 defensive starters, #2 QB, #2 RB, and a crappy WR...

Chris Cooley
Taylor Jacobs
Manuel White Jr.
Mark Brunell
Cornelius Griffin
Randy Thomas
LaVar Arrington
Shawn Springs
Clinton Portis
Jason Campbell
Sean Taylor
Santana Moss
Carlos Rogers

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our draft strategy suddenly changes to include a LOT more players at every position, especially offensive line.

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I am not a big Vinny fan, but your giving him a little to much credit here. vinny does what he's told...he doesn't make any decisions that dictate the Redskins salary cap. He runs scouting and he may give opinions on players himself, but he does not have final say on anything that happens. So to blame him for being over the cap is wrong.

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if the cba was signed,would this thread have even been started?

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I can't believe we made it this far into the offseason without a Cerrato bashing thread.

He doesn't have much to do with the team operations anymore, so let's give the guy a break already.

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Just a random thought, if Taylor gets sent to jail does he still count against the salary cap?

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[QUOTE=dmek25]if the cba was signed,would this thread have even been started?[/QUOTE]

Yes, but for different reasons. For example: Is anyone else sick and tired of the emails trying to sell the limited field view seating we get during the regular season. I for one am, and therefore, Vinny Cerrato sucks.

Something like that would definitely have popped up.

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I think Cerrato is the one that provides Portis with the juice.

Bastard.

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haha

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are we seriously going to the salary cap thing and start to blame another person for this mess. We are going to pay the price, just as everyone else in the situation. we are just going to pay it a little harder than the rest of the league.

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Cerrato is the head scout of NFL players. He hands coach a book at the end of the year saying lets get these guys.

It was Cerrato who finds all of these free agents we sign, its not his fault that we might have signed the wrong ones. That would lie on the coaches and Danny's shoulders.

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Cerrato is responsible for 9/11.

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your mama

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz]Just a random thought, if Taylor gets sent to jail does he still count against the salary cap?[/QUOTE]

Not unless he has an escape clause in his contract.

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Cerrato’s responsibilities have deminished because he did such an awful job, but he used to be the salary cap specialist. His theory in San Fran was win now pay later, he does have input he is DS’s right hand man, I believe that his title now is “head of football operations”. Gibbs has come in and rectified some of the problems, but we are still paying the price for Cerratos mistakes. Why do you think Schottenheimer, wanted him out when he came to the skins? Schottenheimer builds his teams from the ground up (which he would have done here given the time) and now has San Diego in great shape to be perrenial winners, we on the other hand, (since he has been here), go out and grab FA’s paying them top dollar and trade away our draft picks, we will never get out of salary cap hell if we continue down this road. And we still would be in trouble if the CBA was signed, every year we are forced to restructure to get under the cap.

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[QUOTE=Huddle]Not unless he has an escape clause in his contract.[/QUOTE]

My understanding is that we wouldn't automatically get the money back (and taken off the cap). I believe we would have to go to an arbitrator to get the money back. We would have to convince the arbitrator that, under the terms of the contract, we are entitled to get the money back because of Sean's alleged illegal activities. I haven't read Sean's contract (obviously), but I assume there is a provision that allows us to get money back in the event he is convicted of a crime and goes to jail.

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I'm not one to go pimping other sites, but really this one of the best interviews with VC I've read.

[url]http://extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95692[/url]

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[QUOTE=Stacks42]Cerrato’s responsibilities have deminished because he did such an awful job, but he used to be the salary cap specialist. His theory in San Fran was win now pay later, he does have input he is DS’s right hand man, I believe that his title now is “head of football operations”. Gibbs has come in and rectified some of the problems, but we are still paying the price for Cerratos mistakes. Why do you think Schottenheimer, wanted him out when he came to the skins? Schottenheimer builds his teams from the ground up (which he would have done here given the time) and now has San Diego in great shape to be perrenial winners, we on the other hand, (since he has been here), go out and grab FA’s paying them top dollar and trade away our draft picks, we will never get out of salary cap hell if we continue down this road. And we still would be in trouble if the CBA was signed, every year we are forced to restructure to get under the cap.[/QUOTE]

the last two years have been fine. brunell's contract was awful, but the other three (wynn, samuels, lavar) weren't gibbs's fault. no one else has gotten a terrible contract (for the team) under his watch. sean taylor is the most underpaid top 5 pick ever (7years 18mill, the average for a 1st rounder is close to 2.8mill a year, and being top, he should make OVER the average, yet he isn't. Its incentive laden to the point that he hass to make the pro bowl to get paid equal to his performance). cooley (who has a 4 year for nearly vet min), and moss (top WRs get 7mill a year, he was #2 and he's not even getting half that). washington and griffin both are playing above contract etc.


once gibbs got here the money well dried up pretty quickly. with a new cba, we wouldn't have been able to break the bank, but the core is/was in place for the longterm.

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Vinny's about as effective as Pepper Rodgers was at whatever the hell he was hired to do.

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Vinny Cerrato and Taylor Jacobs could both leave and nobody would notice. They do not do much. In the NFL it is all about what have you done for me lately and these two guys are not very productive. Snyder must really like them to keep them around this long.

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V.C's title is V.P. of Football Operations. He's here so Snyder has somebody in the owner's box that he can yell at. He bears very llittle responsibility for our current cap situation.

As for Marty building a perennial winner in San Diego, it depends on your defenition of winning. My view is that at the end of each season there is exactly one winner and 31 losers. To me, Marty has always been a loser. If getting bumped from the playoffs in the first round and then missing the playoffs completely is a dynasty in the making, then I guess other people have different ideas about what winning is. I can't relate to anyone that is pining for the good old days of 2001.

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Why is Cerato being blamed when they have a specialist dedicated to the cap???

Also, Think of the additional cap problems they would have had if they hadn't bitten the Coles bullet.

Smarten' up!!!

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]Why is Cerato being blamed when they have a specialist dedicated to the cap???

Also, Think of the additional cap problems they would have had if they hadn't bitten the Coles bullet.

Smarten' up!!![/QUOTE]

I agree. You guys see how easy it is to control a Synder spending spree. By the way I am VC.

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Cerrato likes big butts and he cannot lie.