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The AP reported that this morning that after a 57 minute metting the Owners vote to turn down the players and union last offer. The League will have a news conference in a few hours to let the teams know what the Cap will be for 06 season. It was said to be between 10 and 15 million over last years! Well it over boys!!! If you need to see it yourself go to Yahoo sports!

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We are cooked...if they need to cut the 10 to 15 players as is being reported then next season is over already.

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let the utter chaos begin I guess!!! The NFL is over, looks like we are headed to the wonderful world of MLB!!! :Flush: :Flush: :Flush:

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we need info on the restructures. brunell saves 1.8mill, which is good, but that only keeps a total of 16 current players on the team. I don't think we'll know about that info until after cut are announced though.

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AP is reporting that NFL commis Paul [I am out of here]Tegliabue is expected to have a news conference in a hour!

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If we're cooked, it's because Snyder is a dolt.

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[QUOTE=Bozzy]If we're cooked, it's because Snyder is a dolt.[/QUOTE]

I am not so sure about being cooked! Gibbs has a plan and we just don't know it! Look at the Burnell thing of a day ago! I believe if we keep our heads like Gibbs seems to be we will come out of this better off in the end!

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[QUOTE=That Guy]we need info on the restructures. brunell saves 1.8mill, which is good, but that only keeps a total of 16 current players on the team. I don't think we'll know about that info until after cut are announced though.[/QUOTE]

It might be just "phrasing", but the reports suggest [b]Brunell[/b] "AND OTHERS" have re-structured. I hope it's a whole S...load of others!

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Lets keep our heads up!!! If you had to pick a coaching staff to handle something like this, it would be ours. Thank God no cap on staff.

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Well at least we will not be in cap hell in 07!!!! That is the bright side!

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Oh, boy....I sure hope Joe and Dan have a plan! This is gonna get real ugly.

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I saw Jon Jansen and Randy Thomas listed in one of the WP articles as possible cuts. If the skins are forced to rip apart their OL then this is going to have a long term affect on the team....more than just 2006. It takes a long time to gel a line together...

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Randy thomas is my favorite player :( . My friend brought in the post article to show me that he might be gone.

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One thing we can all say......there is going to be a lot going on at Redskins park till 7pm Est!!!

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right now there are only 13 players gauranteed to be here tomorrow. Thomas is one of them:

Chris Cooley
Taylor Jacobs
Manuel White Jr.
Mark Brunell
Cornelius Griffin
Randy Thomas
LaVar Arrington
Shawn Springs
Clinton Portis
Jason Campbell
Sean Taylor
Santana Moss
Carlos Rogers

jansen has a high base salary and samuels has a big bonus and a very low number (300k vs 500k+ so replacing him with a rookie only saves 65k). the bonus and high base mean they're prime candidates to restructure and stay/keep the skins from dumping others.

While brunell would have to give back 650k next year to give back 500k this year, jansen has a much lower 2007 salary (well under the max of 2006 pay + 30%), so he has to give up less total money and therefore his savings from salary -> bonus conversions would be greater than brunells, and he'd have to give up far less actually money to give the skins similar cap relief.

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The owners voted unanamously to reject the union proposal, so I don't think it's just Snyder who's a dolt here.

As for the "plan" I figure we restructure what we can, cut who we have to, and buy a new team in 07. Don't know what else we can really do here.

But will there be a strike down the road? Isn't that implied? If the owners set the cap and profit sharing wherever they please, the players will feel thaty have no recourse but to strike. On the bright side, we are the best team in history in strike years ;).

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[QUOTE=JWsleep]The owners voted unanamously to reject the union proposal, so I don't think it's just Snyder who's a dolt here.

As for the "plan" I figure we restructure what we can, cut who we have to, and buy a new team in 07. Don't know what else we can really do here.

But will there be a strike down the road? Isn't that implied? If the owners set the cap and profit sharing wherever they please, the players will feel thaty have no recourse but to strike. On the bright side, we are the best team in history in strike years ;).[/QUOTE]

the owners would lock the players out to force them to take a new cap system, not the other way around. the players would decertify to prevent a lockout and immediately go to anti-trust court.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]the owners would lock the players out to force them to take a new cap system, not the other way around. the players would decertify to prevent a lockout and immediately go to anti-trust court.[/QUOTE]

Good post; I stand corrected. When will this occur?

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Ah, I saw your post in the "2008" thread. Thanks.

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The union has said there is no way they will ever accept a salary cap again. Its going to be really interesting to see how this shakes out.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]right now there are only 13 players gauranteed to be here tomorrow. Thomas is one of them:

Chris Cooley
Taylor Jacobs
Manuel White Jr.
Mark Brunell
Cornelius Griffin
Randy Thomas
LaVar Arrington
Shawn Springs
Clinton Portis
Jason Campbell
Sean Taylor
Santana Moss
Carlos Rogers

jansen has a high base salary and samuels has a big bonus and a very low number (300k vs 500k+ so replacing him with a rookie only saves 65k). the bonus and high base mean they're prime candidates to restructure and stay/keep the skins from dumping others.

While brunell would have to give back 650k next year to give back 500k this year, jansen has a much lower 2007 salary (well under the max of 2006 pay + 30%), so he has to give up less total money and therefore his savings from salary -> bonus conversions would be greater than brunells, and he'd have to give up far less actually money to give the skins similar cap relief.[/QUOTE]

Sean Taylor might be in jail tomorrow.

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[QUOTE=Krills]Sean Taylor might be in jail tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
why tomorrow?

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joking

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because after pulling a gun on someone and spitting on someone he got bored and decided to take a shit on someone?

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]because after pulling a gun on someone and spitting on someone he got bored and decided to take a shit on someone?[/QUOTE]

That line was so unexpected that I literally (hate being corny, but...) laughed out loud. Now my co-workers are giving me the same look that you give to someone who farts on the Metro.

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz]That line was so unexpected that I literally (hate being corny, but...) laughed out loud. Now my co-workers are giving me the same look that you give to someone who farts on the Metro.[/QUOTE]

So now I know who is responsible for the Metro smelling like ass.

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i still not sure this is over yet.the owners are now forcing the union to make the call.the sticking point is the revenue sharing at 60% to the players(the unions stance)compared to 56%(the owners stance)i think if that number moved to 58%,the deal gets done.ill guess we wil see.it seems like it would be in the best interest of the union ,long term,to agree to this

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Hey, I'm no subway farter!

Is there anyway Danny Boy could pay off Gene Upshaw to get this thing worked out tonight? I'm sure the man could use a new house or two.

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[QUOTE=dmek25]i still not sure this is over yet.the owners are now forcing the union to make the call.the sticking point is the revenue sharing at 60% to the players(the unions stance)compared to 56%(the owners stance)i think if that number moved to 58%,the deal gets done.ill guess we wil see.it seems like it would be in the best interest of the union ,long term,to agree to this[/QUOTE]

Upshaw's response to the owners' decision to reject the NFLPA's agreement isn't comforting. Upshaw basically said there isn't going to be an extension. He didn't appear to leave open even a small possibility that a deal will be reached. It could be posturing, but that would be strange given we are hours away from the start of the 2006 NFL season.

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The owners want the players to take a pay-cut of roughly 9 percent. I wouldn't do it, and one shouldn't honestly expect them to. Going from 65% of the revenue to 56% is total horse shit.

Greedy is a sin for a reason.

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[QUOTE=saden1]The owners want the players to take a pay-cut of roughly 9 percent. I wouldn't do it, and one shouldn't honestly expect them to. Going from 65% of the revenue to 56% is total horse shit.

Greedy is a sin for a reason.[/QUOTE]

But the thing to remember is that the players are asking for the definition of revenue be broadly expanded. I'm not saying I disagree with your position that the owners are being greedy, but there are two sides to the story.

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I think you need to check your facts.

The 56.2%/60%+ discussion involved a major increase in the formula that would be used to calculate total revenues. So much so that the impact on the cap would actually be an astronomical increase.

Upshaw actually turned down a gigantic pay raise for all of his players.

Make no mistake about it, Upshaw has seriously screwed large numbers of players. Those players include:
[list][*]Players eligible for FA in 2K6[*]Players released on "Bloody Thursday"[*]Players that would have been eligible as FA's in 2K7 and 2K8 who will not be.[*]Rookies in 2K6[/list]Then there is this quote from Jay Glazer ([url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5374588"]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5374588[/url]):

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Several players have called FOXSports.com today to voice concern over not having enough information as to why they are stalemated. While the players may agree with Upshaw's stance, several have claimed they simply do not feel in the loop, including several player reps. Upshaw's executive committee has been kept in the fold with regards to the dealings.

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[QUOTE=saden1]The owners want the players to take a pay-cut of roughly 9 percent. I wouldn't do it, and one shouldn't honestly expect them to. Going from 65% of the revenue to 56% is total horse shit.

Greedy is a sin for a reason.[/QUOTE]

56% of 2000 is more than 65% of 1000

the general premise was that more revenue was going into the pot, and even at a smaller %, much more would be going straight to the players.

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I do not see how Upshaw can sleep at night, I mean not only did he put the screws to the NFL as a whole, he also put the screws to alot of players, I mean alot of players...

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]I do not see how Upshaw can sleep at night, I mean not only did he put the screws to the NFL as a whole, he also put the screws to alot of players, I mean alot of players...[/QUOTE]

he thinks they'll be better in the long run, but he's left a lot of reps out of the loop and a whole bunch of guys are about to get super pissed.

if i were a draftee this year, a player that gets dumped, or a player that didn't get resigned because of this, I'd be out for his head tonight.

The problem is this unions memberss don't work for 30 or 40 years. They're temporary, and a 1 year flux can totally screw up 100 careers permenantly.

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the bottom line here is that gene upshaw is actually employed by the PLAYERS and any major decisions should be left up to a vote.he,right now,is basically a dictator with all the players caught up in his trance.if the players want an extension,all the rank and file has to do is call for a vote

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[QUOTE=That Guy]he thinks they'll be better in the long run, but he's left a lot of reps out of the loop and a whole bunch of guys are about to get super pissed.

if i were a draftee this year, a player that gets dumped, or a player that didn't get resigned because of this, I'd be out for his head tonight.

The problem is this unions memberss don't work for 30 or 40 years. They're temporary, and a 1 year flux can totally screw up 100 careers permenantly.[/QUOTE]


shit if our team isnt half of what it is b4 after this IM GNNA BE OUT FOR HIS HEAD!!!!!he is a dictator

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Upshaw is playing a game he CAN NOT WIN!!! He should have taken the deal. It was a big gain for the PA. Now here is what is going to happen. He Must disband the union so the owners can't lock them out at some point. He lose that war if he dosen't because the owners will get replacement players all over again. My question if he decertifys what dose that do to the PA good or bad?

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]Upshaw is playing a game he CAN NOT WIN!!! He should have taken the deal. It was a big gain for the PA. Now here is what is going to happen. He Must disband the union so the owners can't lock them out at some point. He lose that war if he dosen't because the owners will get replacement players all over again. My question if he decertifys what dose that do to the PA good or bad?[/QUOTE]

Players can sue the nfl for anti-trust issues.