What Will Happen to Ramsey?
 

I realize it's a little bit harder to predict with no CBA in place, but I'm curious as to what you guys think will happen to Patrick Ramsey this offseason.

Remember, this isn't what you [U]want[/U] to happen but what you think [U]will [/U]happen.

I'll keep it a public poll so those who are right can rightfully brag about it later.

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Ramsey and the pick we got for Gardner will be traded for John Abraham

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I think that he gets traded for a 5,6 or 7. There are to many names out there. I can't see Gibbs bringing back the guy when he wont want to be here.

The guy is a QB who can start and win so it would be stupid to give him an outright release.

CBA will control everything.

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4th or 5th, thats not an option though, so i put 5th/6th/7th.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]4th or 5th, thats not an option though, so i put 5th/6th/7th.[/QUOTE]
What That Guy said.

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I still think he will be traded in a package for Abraham

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]Ramsey and the pick we got for Gardner will be traded for John Abraham[/QUOTE]

I'd love for diehardskin's scenario simply to be even possible, but I voted "outright release" cause I don't see us being able to free up that much cap space in time. For the above scenario to happen you're basically saying that you think a new cba (or extension of present) will be agreed to by sunday night. If there's no deal we'll likely still be scrambling to to get under the cap & ramsey gets us 1.7 mil. closer as I understand it.

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"Something so crazy you can't wrap your mind around it"

Something farout man
~coughs

here

lol

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I say a CBA is reached (actually wouldn't be surprised if the deadline is extended even a day or two more), and Ramsey is traded for a late 3rd, early 4th.

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I think we can squeeze a fourth out of some team. If not, I am prepared to let him suffer here for one more year. I assume we're talking about Patrick and not Ann, the star of "Throw Momma from the Train" and the "Goonies" because I think she's dead.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I say a CBA is reached (actually wouldn't be surprised if the deadline is extended even a day or two more), and Ramsey is traded for a late 3rd, early 4th.[/QUOTE]

If a cba is reached, this sounds about right to me. I'm 50/50 on the cba, but I guess all of us are anxiously awaiting word of something.

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i say ramsey gets traded for a 5th, 6th, or 7th. So much of this depends on the CBA though

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I'll be the lone thinker or Ramsey staying with the team. With Culpepper and Pennington and maybe even Drew Brees available for trade or whatever I see that Ramsey is kind of far down the list for decent starting QBs with a history of being successful.

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[QUOTE=Warpath]I'll be the lone thinker or Ramsey staying with the team. With Culpepper and Pennington and maybe even Drew Brees available for trade or whatever I see that Ramsey is kind of far down the list for decent starting QBs with a history of being successful.[/QUOTE]



some teams may consider ramsey a better pick up over pennington. pennington is coming off his 2nd season ending surgery. drew brees is prolly considered a better qb by most teams but he is also coming off a season ending surgery. there is definately a market for ramsey. hopefully the skins can get something decent in return for him.

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It's Miami for a fourth round pick.

Miami, the Jets and Oakland have shown interest but Miami is the only team that interests Ramsey enough to sign an extension. The extension makes him worth more.

Miami will cool on Drew Brees. Too much money, too much risk.

Gibbs might have to hold out, though. Miami won't give up a pick as long as they think there's a chance that Joe will release Patrick.

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I feel the CBA will be extented

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The cap space is more valuable than the low round pick we might be able to get for him. He'll be released sometime before 6PM Sunday.

Ricky Williams must be on this board. That's the only explanation for someone voting that Ramsey will command a first or second round pick.

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Tagliabue retires. Ramsey is new commish.

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5th or 6th rounder IMO. We'll end up just taking what we can get.

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[QUOTE=Huddle]It's Miami for a fourth round pick.

Miami, the Jets and Oakland have shown interest but Miami is the only team that interests Ramsey enough to sign an extension. The extension makes him worth more.

Miami will cool on Drew Brees. Too much money, too much risk.

Gibbs might have to hold out, though. Miami won't give up a pick as long as they think there's a chance that Joe will release Patrick.[/QUOTE]

if they call the bluff and its a dead cba, we'll have to ditch a lot of roster filler just to prove ramsey's not leaving without getting value... then hope no one eats our filler until ramsey gets us a pick and we can get them resigned.

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Unfortunately, I don't think we'll get more for him right now than a 5th, 6th, or 7th. There are too many free agent QBs and, save Miami, the teams that need QBs are perfectly positioned to get one in the draft.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]if they call the bluff and its a dead cba, we'll have to ditch a lot of roster filler just to prove ramsey's not leaving without getting value... then hope no one eats our filler until ramsey gets us a pick and we can get them resigned.[/QUOTE]

If the scenario you describe happens, there's going to be a lot of filler out there...some of it better than ours. How much filler does 1.7 mil buy anyway? We still need a number three QB.

Incidentally, this is the burning question now:

Now that Brunell has restructured, how much can we save off the cap if we cut him?

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[QUOTE=Huddle]
Incidentally, this is the burning question now:

Now that Brunell has restructured, how much can we save off the cap if we cut him?[/QUOTE]

Prior to the restructure, cutting Brunnel would have resulted in about 5.5 mil in dead money. With the restructure, I can't see any way it could do anything other than make it worse. Also, if there is no CBA, post June cuts go on the 2K6 cap, not 2K7.

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With no CBA I think there's a good chance we keep him.

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riggo, it was a joke ;)

1.7mill buys just over 7 min contract rookies or just about 4 6+ year vet min contracts.

it'd be worth it to keep him to prove we won't cut him without a pick (a high 4th this year could still get you a good player, or be traded with our 5th + 6th or our 3rd to move up in a round).

i doubt highly we keep ramsey into the season if it can be avoided though. 1.7mill is a lot of cap savings considering the current situation.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]With no CBA I think there's a good chance we keep him.[/QUOTE]

Really Matty? The way I see it, if the CBA isn't extended and the 2006 cap is left at $94.5 million, we'll likely be forced to dump him. If an extension to the CBA is reached, I could see us holding onto him for a little while longer to get fair value for him.

I think Ramsey's value is hurt by the lack of a CBA because teams figure that we will have to get rid of him. If the CBA extension is reached, I think his value will increase and we'll see more interest and better compensation.

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With no CBA it will all depend on how much the restructures helped and how much we need his cap space.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]riggo, it was a joke ;)
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I've had three different people say words to that effect to me seriously since Thursday.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]With no CBA it will all depend on how much the restructures helped and how much we need his cap space.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it's frustrating that we don't know how much those restructured deals saved us.

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[QUOTE=RiggoRules]
I've had three different people say words to that effect to me seriously since Thursday.[/QUOTE]

No worries. I think you would've had to have been around the site for the last few days to realize that it was an inside joke.

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[QUOTE=RiggoRules][QUOTE=That Guy]riggo, it was a joke ;)
[QUOTE]

I've had three different people say words to that effect to me seriously since Thursday.[/QUOTE]

yeah, its cause i'd answered the question a ton this week, so huddle and matty just started piling on.

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[QUOTE=RiggoRules][QUOTE=That Guy]riggo, it was a joke ;)
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I've had three different people say words to that effect to me seriously since Thursday.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I should have put a smiley on it. Before the restructuring, the question was asked a dozen times here.

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I guess a trade with either the Jets, or miami, but I wouldn't let him go for less than a 2nd, the Jet fans are calling the NY radio stations and they want Ramsey, they all think that he's worth a 3rd to them, I think teams are sitting back right now because they know Gibbs doesn't like Ramsey, so they think they can get him a little cheaper, but I believe the rest of the league thinks more of Ramsey than DC. When push comes to shove I believe Gibbs can hold a team up for a #2, that's not a bad deal for a starting QB.

I would really hope he stay's though.

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[QUOTE=offiss]I guess a trade with either the Jets, or miami, but I wouldn't let him go for less than a 2nd, the Jet fans are calling the NY radio stations and they want Ramsey, they all think that he's worth a 3rd to them, I think teams are sitting back right now because they know Gibbs doesn't like Ramsey, so they think they can get him a little cheaper, but I believe the rest of the league thinks more of Ramsey than DC. When push comes to shove I believe Gibbs can hold a team up for a #2, that's not a bad deal for a starting QB.[/QUOTE]

I think a #2 would have been more likely after last season. Ramsey's been away for awhile so he doesn't have any recent highlight films to show. Plus, Ramsey is entering the final year of his contract. Unfortunately, it just wasn't feasible to trade him last offseason.

Now, I would be downright shocked if we got a #2 for him. I wouldn't be suprised if we got a #3 for him from someone other than the Jets (who have a high third rounder). But, I don't think it's gonna happen.

I honestly feel that we will end up cutting him or trading him for a 5th or 6th rounder.

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if the NY jets fans want to trade a #2 for him... well its a good think they aren't in charge (for the jets sake). They can get him for less, and their FO knows it.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]if the NY jets fans want to trade a #2 for him... well its a good think they aren't in charge (for the jets sake). They can get him for less, and their FO knows it.[/QUOTE]


Kind of like the job they did on the Moss for Coles deal.

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I chose "Something so crazy you can't wrap your mind around it "
I say they trade Ramsey to the Dolphins for Ricky Williams and then turn around and trade Ricky to New Orleans for 8 picks.

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What will happen is this.

We trade ramsey and our 2nd rnd pick to a QB desperate team in order to move up in the 2nd round. If it is a exceptionally high 2nd round pick (Jets) we probaly throw in an additional late round pick.

The only problem is that teams are going to wait to see who lands Brees, etc. before they commit, meaning we can't use him to clear cap space if we want something for him.

What do I win if I'm right?