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What should the Skins do about the cornerback position? Carlos Rogers looks like he's going to be the man. Unfortunately, Springs was banged up during some important games last season and that was a problem for him in Seattle. Then, there's a huge drop off with Walt Harris, who blew so many assignments last year and gave up TDs. Ade Jimoh's alright but still unproven really.

Who should we go after in free agency? Will there be any worth wild corners in the draft? Is it really as big a need as I think. Clearly, a pass rushing DE is the biggest defensive need.

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Jonathon Joseph or Gerrick mcpherson will be available to us in the draft (2nd/4th rounders). will blackmon (WR/CB but raw) will also be there in the 3rd.

in FA there's dyson, but we probably wont have any money and he's had recent injury problems.

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[QUOTE=theJBexperience]What should the Skins do about the cornerback position? Carlos Rogers looks like he's going to be the man. Unfortunately, Springs was banged up during some important games last season and that was a problem for him in Seattle. Then, there's a huge drop off with Walt Harris, who blew so many assignments last year and gave up TDs. Ade Jimoh's alright but still unproven really.

Who should we go after in free agency? Will there be any worth wild corners in the draft? Is it really as big a need as I think. Clearly, a pass rushing DE is the biggest defensive need.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the board! Don't think we need to worry about Harris since he's gone.

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[QUOTE=theJBexperience]What should the Skins do about the cornerback position? Carlos Rogers looks like he's going to be the man. Unfortunately, Springs was banged up during some important games last season and that was a problem for him in Seattle. Then, there's a huge drop off with Walt Harris, who blew so many assignments last year and gave up TDs. Ade Jimoh's alright but still unproven really.

Who should we go after in free agency? Will there be any worth wild corners in the draft? Is it really as big a need as I think. Clearly, a pass rushing DE is the biggest defensive need.[/QUOTE]

Nice first post. We definitely need to hope for a new CBA so we can sign someone. I'd like to see a younger guy come into the fold to serve as nickel, and possibly step in once Springs is done around these parts. Not sure who's available.

If there's not a CBA extension, we might be dealing with the Ade as our nickel. I believe the words oh sh*t come to mind.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Nice first post. We definitely need to hope for a new CBA so we can sign someone. I'd like to see a younger guy come into the fold to serve as nickel, and possibly step in once Springs is done around these parts. Not sure who's available.

If there's not a CBA extension, we might be dealing with the Ade as our nickel. I believe the words oh sh*t come to mind.[/QUOTE]

I still like Dyson. He's only 26 years old, has good upside, and won't break the bank. Kid was pretty good before he got injured last season and I see no reason why to hold that injury against him. He certainly doesn't have a history of being injured.

As for the draft, I'm not sure I'm willing to bet on the draft for a corner given how much Williams relies on DBs. I would prefer to see someone more proven. Dyson is exactly that, a proven and young corner.

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i dunno if pass rushing DE is our biggest concern once we got healthy our Dline did pretty well. Everyone for the skins did pretty well those last 5 games. I think 2ndary is goin to be rough. Is any news on ryan clark's status or everything just waiting for the CBA?

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I still like Dyson. He's only 26 years old, has good upside, and won't break the bank. Kid was pretty good before he got injured last season and I see no reason why to hold that injury against him. He certainly doesn't have a history of being injured.

As for the draft, I'm not sure I'm willing to bet on the draft for a corner given how much Williams relies on DBs. I would prefer to see someone more proven. Dyson is exactly that, a proven and young corner.[/QUOTE]

after seeing how much ade has improved in 3 years and seeing how well 3rd round picks did in starting roles from last year, i'm pretty confident a good nickel corner will available as late as the 4th round (UMD, mcpherson, latest round where you can get a really fast guy).

dyson would cost too much to be used as a #3.

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Ade is a great special teamer and a nice dimeback, but I'm not sure that I would rely on him as the nickelback. Given Springs' age and recent injuries, I also wouldn't feel comfortable with the prospect that Ade, as the nickelback, would be one hit away from the starting lineup.

Maybe we don't need a guy of Dyson's caliber at nickel, but I'd like to see a nickel who is solid and capable of stepping into the starting lineup if necessary. I'm not sure that I'd rely on a 4th rounder to fulfill that role; especially given our recent inability to draft well in the later rounds.

Just my 2 cents.

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yeah, well, as of right now we don't have a 4th rounder anyways. and i don't really think our #2 or #3 are worth using on a corner (better values at OG/LB/TE/possible #3DT or situational pass rusher), so i guess i agree, due to the logistics.

sam madison might be cheap enough... the FA market isn't exactly brimming with CB talent this year.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]yeah, well, as of right now we don't have a 4th rounder anyways. and i don't really think our #2 or #3 are worth using on a corner (better values at OG/LB/TE/possible #3DT or situational pass rusher), so i guess i agree, due to the logistics.

sam madison might be cheap enough... the FA market isn't exactly brimming with CB talent this year.[/QUOTE]

Good point about the 4th rounder. I forgot that was part of the deal with the Broncos. I also agree about the fact that we could get better value out of our #2 and #3 at the TE or LB positions (which are very deep in the draft this year). I don't know much about the guard or defensive tackle prospects.

Madison could be cheap. I don't know. Unfortunately, it appears the Giants are targeting him and they have more money and could offer him a starting job (given that Allen is leaving and Peterson is recovering from an injury).

Dyson won't be cheap, but he won't break the bank. Last season, he signed a 5-year deal worth $17.5 million with a mere $1.5 million signing bonus. Even though the FA pool of cornerbacks is shallow, I can't imagine he'll be worth a lot more now given that he spent much of last season injured.

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that isn't an excessive contract for a starting corner, but averaging 3mill for a backup is probably more than the skins can afford (without a new cba). I think most nicklebacks make closer to 1.5mill (if they're good, otherwise, vet min).

since he did have an injury the price may be down. the problem is once an NFL player gets injured its more likely they'll continue to miss time in the future. he may not have missed a ton of games, but there were a few times where i saw him leaving in the middle of games (like philly where he barely played) due to all kinds of troubles (asthma?), so playing time incentives would be a must.

Once smoot left last year, dyson was the guy i wanted to get, so i don't doubt his ability, and his age is pretty good too. I just wonder what his price will be.

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I really would opt for 2 options; either draft a CB like mcphearson (cause joseph will probably not be there in the second) or if the cba is done which i hope it will be, sign a guy like madison.

Ps:the skins may get into the first round without trading a draft pick to get vernon Davis

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[QUOTE=frenchdiehardskinsfan]I really would opt for 2 options; either draft a CB like mcphearson (cause joseph will probably not be there in the second) or if the cba is done which i hope it will be, sign a guy like madison.

Ps:the skins may get into the first round without trading a draft pick to get vernon Davis[/QUOTE]

How might we get into the first round?

I agree that Dyson is probably our best option in free agency, but since the CB market is so thin, there will most likely be other teams willing to inflate his price.

What about Ty Law? I really wanted the Skins to go after him last offseason instead of Samari Rolle. Most people thought there wasn't much gas left in his tank, but he had 10 picks with the Jets. Yes, he's old, but he's a great vet and would benefit guys like Carlos Rogers and Ade Jimoh. I'm thinking Springs will miss some games next season, so splitting time with Ty Law would be nice.

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[QUOTE=theJBexperience]How might we get into the first round?

I agree that Dyson is probably our best option in free agency, but since the CB market is so thin, there will most likely be other teams willing to inflate his price.

What about Ty Law? I really wanted the Skins to go after him last offseason instead of Samari Rolle. Most people thought there wasn't much gas left in his tank, but he had 10 picks with the Jets. Yes, he's old, but he's a great vet and would benefit guys like Carlos Rogers and Ade Jimoh. I'm thinking Springs will miss some games next season, so splitting time with Ty Law would be nice.[/QUOTE]

I also don't see how the %$^& we'd get into the first round.

love ty law, but we got two starting corners already and he'd be WAY too expensive (he just had a 10 int season).

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Thing is, it might be one of those situations of saturation where theres quite a few available older CBs and with the CBA extension (or not) the prices may go down.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]that isn't an excessive contract for a starting corner, but averaging 3mill for a backup is probably more than the skins can afford (without a new cba). I think most nicklebacks make closer to 1.5mill (if they're good, otherwise, vet min).

since he did have an injury the price may be down. the problem is once an NFL player gets injured its more likely they'll continue to miss time in the future. he may not have missed a ton of games, but there were a few times where i saw him leaving in the middle of games (like philly where he barely played) due to all kinds of troubles (asthma?), so playing time incentives would be a must.

Once smoot left last year, dyson was the guy i wanted to get, so i don't doubt his ability, and his age is pretty good too. I just wonder what his price will be.[/QUOTE]

It's true that paying Dyson $3 million per year to be a nickelback would be excessive. However, given that Springs probably has 2 stellar seasons left in him (and a few more good ones), it might not be bad to sign Dyson now and let him get a starting spot opposite Rogers by 2008. The deal would likely pay him nickelback money for the first few years and pay him a starter's salary once he takes over at the age of 28.

Also, in that Philly game, didn't he get an INT [I]and[/I] a fumble recovery for a touchdown?

In any event, that $17.5 million contract figure was inflated. He only got a $1.5 million signing bonus. He probably asked for a big-money contract to make it look like he got a bigger deal than he really did.

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was this the dyson for the cowboys or the seahawks?

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[QUOTE=PWNED]was this the dyson for the cowboys or the seahawks?[/QUOTE]

Seattle.

Dallas doesn't have anyone on their roster by the name of Dyson. Maybe you're thinking of their tailback Tyson Thompson?

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The more I think about it, the more our secondary needs upgraded more than the WR. other than springs and rogers, we dont have anyone that I feel confident with. Plus spring is 30, you need to find someone to replace him in a year or two. I dont think Law is the answer, he's old too and want 10 mil up front. That will definately be a FA pickup if the CBA is signed. But, it has to be a 3rd CB, not a nother 1 or 2 to take a job away from the two we have. Who knows, may Ade will be good next year. Also we are going to release bowen, and clark is a FA. thats another area of concern. They may end up drafting secondary help in the second round instead of WR.

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Let's not forget about potentially losing Pierson Prioleau and Omar Stoutmire. Both provided solid depth last year but if we lose them along with Bowen and Clark, we'll be hurting at safety more than cornerback. And Sean Taylor's legal issues only complicate the situation further.

Personally, I don't care whether or not we lose Bowen, but I'd like to see Clark re-signed and Prioleau retained. It would be nice to keep Stoutmire too, but his veteran's salary might be too much for us.

At CB, I'm content with a third round pick for the position. Jimoh has showed nice progress, and I think we should be able to find a decent guy at that point in the draft.

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WR in the 2nd would be stupid unless moss or pope drops. hass and orr are in the 3rd and i still think they'll be better pros than the hagan/stovall/nance deal that'll happen in the 2nd. I don't really like C jackson that much either, but with a 4.3, he won't be there anyways.

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to be honest, im all for never taking a WR in the draft again. let a wr show some promise at another team (ex. moss) and then trade for them when you've seen what they can do.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]It's true that paying Dyson $3 million per year to be a nickelback would be excessive. However, given that Springs probably has 2 stellar seasons left in him (and a few more good ones), it might not be bad to sign Dyson now and let him get a starting spot opposite Rogers by 2008. The deal would likely pay him nickelback money for the first few years and pay him a starter's salary once he takes over at the age of 28.[/QUOTE]

That's my thinking on Dyson too. With him at a reasonable price, it really would be like having 3 starting and interchangeable corners. Williams could really have a field day on match-ups. He really is the classic "New England" type free agent pick-up: Young, coming off a down year, but an otherwise solid career. If he isn't looking to break the bank, I hope we can pick him up.

But as has been noted, I would not be surprised if a few other teams are thinking the same thing.