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offiss 05-02-2004 07:47 PM

Samuel's Article
 
It seem's Helton was not only incapable of teaching blocking schemes, but changed Samuel's technique as well, I guess Samuel's had a real problem changing the way he was comfortable blocking, and could explain the sudden drop off in his play, apparently Bugel is allowing him to be more himself, as well Samuel's never gripped about the change in his technique even though it hindered him, it might be a good thing that we didn't trade him, it sound's like he is poised to have a big year, it also may show why coaching is the most immportant part of the game, even above talent.

Beemnseven 05-02-2004 08:17 PM

There's not any other way to explain Samuels' dropoff in play. Helton's schemes and Spurrier's playcalling completely destroyed one of the best left tackles in the game.

I suspect we'll see Samuels return to form with Gibbs and Bugel.

MTK 05-02-2004 08:20 PM

here's the link

[url]http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031775213810&path=%21sports%21redskins&s=1045855935462[/url]

With Kearse now in the division, we really need Samuels to regain his Pro Bowl form. Let's hope Bugel can help him get back on track.

Daseal 05-02-2004 09:36 PM

I kinda feel if Samuels didn't think he was blocking up to par he should pull his coach aside, and tell him he doesn't feel comfortable. I don't think it's a huge deal if you don't try to make a huge deal of it in front of everyone. Give it a chance, but when it's obviously not working, then try to correct it.

That's just me!

Bergman14 05-02-2004 10:17 PM

i think injuries have had the most to do with his dropoff in play, not coaches

MTK 05-02-2004 10:33 PM

[QUOTE=Bergman14]i think injuries have had the most to do with his dropoff in play, not coaches[/QUOTE]
It's probably a combination of both

offiss 05-02-2004 11:18 PM

We will prob. know for sure when the season start's, the one thing I would say about the possibility of coaching being the prob., is a football player is capable of going into a slump, especially when he has been changed from a technique that he used his whole career, much like a hitter in baseball, a simple flaw in the mechanic's can unravel your entire swing, I hope it is nothing more than a mechanical adjustment, at least Samuel's feel's much more confidant in bugel, that has to be a plus regardless.

JWsleep 05-02-2004 11:37 PM

And he's got soemthing to prove. He had some early success, and now he's gotta re-establish himself. I think he's going to shine this year. ANd Buges is the perfect coach to help him get back to form.

Daseal 05-02-2004 11:40 PM

Bugel is the perfect coach for anyone, hell, he could turn me into a hog! ;)

joecrisp 05-03-2004 09:55 AM

[QUOTE=Daseal]Bugel is the perfect coach for anyone, hell, he could turn me into a hog! ;)[/QUOTE]
It's true. The amazing thing is, the two rookie O-linemen-- Wilson and Molinaro, taken in the 5th and 6th rounds, respectively-- would ordinarily be very ordinary linemen. Bugel can turn both of these guys into great Hogs. Bugel's coaching methods and philosophy are a huge part of that, but you also have to give them credit for scouting these guys out and recognizing them as potential Hogs when other teams overlooked them.

Although I'd like to see Samuels, Thomas and Dockery out there getting some reps together, I think it's great that these young guys and backups are getting a ton of work in the minicamps-- it can only strengthen the depth, and accelerate those players' development and understanding of the offense.

cpayne5 05-03-2004 10:13 AM

[QUOTE=Daseal]Bugel is the perfect coach for anyone, hell, he could turn me into a hog! ;)[/QUOTE]
That'd be the day!

Skins fan 44 05-03-2004 11:51 AM

I rembember Samuels after getting drafted the big thing with him was not allowing a sack in so many games. Lets hope that he can get that string back. I think anyone on this board could of thought of better blocking schemes than last year.

cpayne5 05-03-2004 12:35 PM

I think Samuels' string of sackless games was when he was in college. It's much easier to do when you're in college than when you're in the NFL and lining up against people like Jevon Kearse and Simeon Rice.

offiss 05-03-2004 02:05 PM

[QUOTE=joecrisp]It's true. The amazing thing is, the two rookie O-linemen-- Wilson and Molinaro, taken in the 5th and 6th rounds, respectively-- would ordinarily be very ordinary linemen. Bugel can turn both of these guys into great Hogs. Bugel's coaching methods and philosophy are a huge part of that, but you also have to give them credit for scouting these guys out and recognizing them as potential Hogs when other teams overlooked them.

Although I'd like to see Samuels, Thomas and Dockery out there getting some reps together, I think it's great that these young guys and backups are getting a ton of work in the minicamps-- it can only strengthen the depth, and accelerate those players' development and understanding of the offense.[/QUOTE]

I think the coaching staff has a pretty good grip on what the starter's can do, the big question from them is who can step in if one of them get's hurt, and how fast can they teach these guy's what it is to play in the NFL, so if they need to step up if someone goes down, they can have a little comfort level knowing that player is at least prepared, it seem's Gibb's plan's for the worst case scenerio, and hope's for the best, this way he is prepared for anything.

Drift Reality 05-03-2004 04:32 PM

I feel confident that Samuels will rebound this year.

A larger issue is his cap number for the next three years, which will eat up a huge chunk of our cap room.

I know premiere LTs make a lot of money, but his cap number of around 9 million is just ludicrous.

Drift Reality 05-03-2004 04:33 PM

That being said, I have a feeling the reason we drafted two tackles this year, is in the hopes that one of them (or perhaps Winey) will develop into a viable alternative in case we need to cut Samuels.

offiss 05-03-2004 05:20 PM

If Samuel's has a breakout year, there will be no need to cut him, because team's will be lining up for his services, but if he doesn't then he has a prob., because he want's to stay in DC, he will also probably know he wont be able to get the kind of contract he want's else where, and would prob. renegotiate if we wanted him at all at that point, I think if he has a big year and we have a lot of success thing's will work out for the best, winning help's cure a lot of problem situation's, and I doubt he would want to move on when we are poised to contend for a SB, especially after the last couple of year's.

Defensewins 05-03-2004 05:53 PM

There is no incentive for Samuels to renegotiate this year, he had a bad 2003.
There might not be any offers from other teams for Samuels in the future, since teams know we will have to cut him if his salary cap number for 2005 does not come down. Why would a team give up something (draft pick or player), when they can have a chance to get him for free.
Samuels needs to renegotiate for us to keep him past this year.
Other NFL teams know this and will use it against us.
Same reason we have not had any offers for Trotter.

offiss 05-04-2004 02:44 AM

[QUOTE=Defensewins]There is no incentive for Samuels to renegotiate this year, he had a bad 2003.
There might not be any offers from other teams for Samuels in the future, since teams know we will have to cut him if his salary cap number for 2005 does not come down. Why would a team give up something (draft pick or player), when they can have a chance to get him for free.
Samuels needs to renegotiate for us to keep him past this year.
Other NFL teams know this and will use it against us.
Same reason we have not had any offers for Trotter.[/QUOTE]

So a team can guarentee that they get him, Samuel's might not be interested in every team out there, and as a free agent he may not give them a chance, where as if they trade for him, he has a contract he has to honor.

JoeRedskin 05-04-2004 08:42 AM

I read somewhere that Samuels did not want to restructure this year but is willing to negotiate a long term extension next offseason. If so, that would solve the cap problem he presents. I think he wants to make sure the 'Skins are, in fact, turning it around and want to be sure Gibbs/Bugel are in it for more than a couple of years.

Defensewins 05-04-2004 09:48 AM

[QUOTE=offiss]So a team can guarentee that they get him, Samuel's might not be interested in every team out there, and as a free agent he may not give them a chance, where as if they trade for him, he has a contract he has to honor.[/QUOTE]

No, I did not say "guarentee(d)" to get Samuels. I said any team has the "chance" to get him.

JoeRedskin,
Regarding Samules willing to renegotiating next year is great news, but Samuels still counts something like $8,000,000 this year. He is being very selfish. We could seriously improve our last remaining weak spot on our roster (the D-line) with some of that money. Plus with a big signing bonus (which he would likely receive if he renegotiated) he could still make his $8M this year and more.
Although, if he plays like last year, he is not worth $8m or signing him to a huge long term contract. Hopefully he will raise his level of play back to the way he played a couple of years ago.

MTK 05-04-2004 12:25 PM

I don't think Samuels is going anywhere this year regardless of his high cap #. I'm confident he'll have a very strong bounce back season under Bugel and Gibbs' protection oriented system.

skinsfanthru&thru 05-04-2004 01:42 PM

[QUOTE=Defensewins]Regarding Samules willing to renegotiating next year is great news, but Samuels still counts something like $8,000,000 this year. He is being very selfish.[/QUOTE]


i'm pretty sure he's already restructered things in his rookie contract twice. plus would any of us be willing to restructure a deal like this after two very subpar years, knowing that if u do restructure that the team might try to hose u. i 2 wish he'd free up even just a 1 million or 2 so as to give the team enough room to sign the rookies and give the skins a sporting chance to go out and get a solid pass rushing de, but i can see where he's coming from.

offiss 05-04-2004 01:51 PM

[QUOTE=Defensewins]No, I did not say "guarentee(d)" to get Samuels. I said any team has the "chance" to get him.

JoeRedskin,
Regarding Samules willing to renegotiating next year is great news, but Samuels still counts something like $8,000,000 this year. He is being very selfish. We could seriously improve our last remaining weak spot on our roster (the D-line) with some of that money. Plus with a big signing bonus (which he would likely receive if he renegotiated) he could still make his $8M this year and more.
Although, if he plays like last year, he is not worth $8m or signing him to a huge long term contract. Hopefully he will raise his level of play back to the way he played a couple of years ago.[/QUOTE]

I know what you said, what I said was a team would trade for him to guarentee that they would get him, rather than take a chance that they could get him, risking losing a player they have a big need for, left tackles are possibly the most immportant position on the field, with the exeption of QB., with that said I think thing's will be just fine.


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