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[b]Falcons | Team trying to trade for Abraham[/b]
Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:58:41 -0800

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Atlanta Falcons are trying to piece together a trade offer to present to the New York Jets in exchange for franchise free agent DE John Abraham. One significant blockage to a deal that, despite ongoing efforts from both sides, remains a long shot: The Falcons steadfastly refuse to include QB Matt Schaub, the player Jets officials regard as the centerpiece to any deal, in their trade proposals. It is believed the Jets are seeking Schaub and the Falcons' second-round draft pick for Abraham.

ramsey is better than schaub... if anything they should trade him to the titans for volek.

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With the Dolphins and now perhaps the Jets out of the running, we're looking at a 7th rounder or an outright release.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]ramsey is better than schaub... if anything they should trade him to the titans for volek.[/QUOTE]
What makes you say he is better? Schaub hasn't done much of anything but he hasn't shown that he can't get it done. At the very most Ramsey has shown only flashes of promise mixed in with plenty of reason to soubt. I'd say the jury is out for sure. Looks like if we make a deal though it would probably be our 2 and Ramsey for Abraham. I don't like the deal. Take a 4th(x fingers) or 5th(more likely) and stick with what we have. We need a corner more at this point.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha]With the Dolphins and now perhaps the Jets out of the running, we're looking at a 7th rounder or an outright release.[/QUOTE]

I think the Raiders should still be considered a possibility. Do you know Al? Can you give him a call?

And what about the Cardinals? They have a lot of young weapons on offense and how many years does Kurt Warner have left? Or Trent Green in KC?

And how about the Ravens? Actually, I think Billick would rather die than admit Boller isn't the answer.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]What makes you say he is better? Schaub hasn't done much of anything but he hasn't shown that he can't get it done. At the very most Ramsey has shown only flashes of promise mixed in with plenty of reason to soubt. I'd say the jury is out for sure. Looks like if we make a deal though it would probably be our 2 and Ramsey for Abraham. I don't like the deal. Take a 4th(x fingers) or 5th(more likely) and stick with what we have. We need a corner more at this point.[/QUOTE]

W/L ratio, TD-INT ratio, YPA, completion %, etc etc. You're right, he hasn't had a lot of time to showcase himself, but so far he hasn't been blowing things up either.

as far as using the picks, we'll have to see how FA ends. the jets 5th would be real nice to have though.

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[QUOTE=That Guy][b]Falcons | Team trying to trade for Abraham[/b]
Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:58:41 -0800

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Atlanta Falcons are trying to piece together a trade offer to present to the New York Jets in exchange for franchise free agent DE John Abraham. One significant blockage to a deal that, despite ongoing efforts from both sides, remains a long shot: The Falcons steadfastly refuse to include QB Matt Schaub, the player Jets officials regard as the centerpiece to any deal, in their trade proposals. It is believed the Jets are seeking Schaub and the Falcons' second-round draft pick for Abraham.

The real stopping point is the Money Abraham wants!!!!

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I would take Schaub over Ramsey. Schaub can throw, he can run and he can read defenses pretty good for someone that hasn't played much. To put it simply Schaub has more potential.

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[QUOTE=saden1]I would take Schaub over Ramsey. Schaub can throw, he can run and he can read defenses pretty good for someone that hasn't played much. To put it simply Schaub has more potential.[/QUOTE]


I've thought the same thing! Schaub looks as if he is in charge and knows what to do in the Huddle and at the line. P. Ram looks as if he is waiting for the call from the bench with the next play, and is only following orders. Of course Ram looked beaten up and gun-shy during OBC's reign as HC with no protection.

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With culpepper in Miami now wouldnt the vikes also need a Qb?, i mean Johnson isnt the rock of gilbralter,maybe they will call.

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[QUOTE=Sknsnation]With culpepper in Miami now wouldnt the vikes also need a Qb?, i mean Johnson isnt the rock of gilbralter,maybe they will call.[/QUOTE]

The vikes are probably more likely to draft a guy, but they might call.

miami is probably going to try and resign gus.


the bengals DID call for ramsey, but ramsey didn't want to visit them for whatever reason (like knowing he'd be the unquestioned backup).

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I think the main reason for Ramsey not being traded yet is teams simply aren't willing to give us very much for him.

The Jets reportedly won't go any higher than a 6th rounder. The Skins are holding out for a 4th or better. Probably isn't going to happen though at this point. There are simply too many other quality QBs on the market this year and the demand for an inconsistent young QB isn't very high.

Hopefully we'll hold on to him as long as possible to see if someone gets desperate enough at some point. It would really suck to see him released.

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You gotta think that once we signed Collins, the offers got lighter, because of the QB glut.

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Collins SB is next to nothing. Also, if you want to get a QB you better do it as soon as possible. Getting a QB after June means he won't be prepared in time.

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[QUOTE=EEich]You gotta think that once we signed Collins, the offers got lighter, because of the QB glut.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like the offers were already light prior to Collins' signing.

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it doesn't help when he turns down some of the teams making offers.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Sounds like the offers were already light prior to Collins' signing.[/QUOTE]

Yep. Two years ago AJ Feeley was worthy of a 2nd round pick. This year, that very same team was willing to give the same compensation for a proven pro-bowler in Culpepper.

Given that change in the market value of QBs, I'd be happy with a 7th rounder for Ramsey. I just wished we acted a bit sooner and traded him a few months back before it was known that Brees and Culpepper would be available. Maybe then we could have gotten a 4th rounder. But the CBA uncertainty kind of made it impossible to make a move at that point, so I'm not sure there was anything the front office could do.

Just take what we can get for Ramsey and move on, even if it's a 7th rounder.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]it doesn't help when he turns down some of the teams making offers.[/QUOTE]

He's gotta do what's best for him too, I don't think he's too interested in going somewhere unless he has a realistic chance to be the starter.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]He's gotta do what's best for him too, I don't think he's too interested in going somewhere unless he has a realistic chance to be the starter.[/QUOTE]

well, C palmer is a bit of a cripple right now, so he'd probably get some game to at leat showcase himself there, and the offensive talent would make him look good. CJ can adjust to balls like moss, but he's bigger and more of a jumper as well.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]well, C palmer is a bit of a cripple right now, so he'd probably get some game to at leat showcase himself there, and the offensive talent would make him look good. CJ can adjust to balls like moss, but he's bigger and more of a jumper as well.[/QUOTE]

That would obviously be a very short term situation for him. Assuming Palmer comes back healthy Ramsey would go right back to the bench. Not a really desirable situation.

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We've lost what bargaining power we had, now that we have 4 QB's on the roster. Teams will wait till we release him or get him for next to nothing.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]The vikes are probably more likely to draft a guy, but they might call.

miami is probably going to try and resign gus.


the bengals DID call for ramsey, but ramsey didn't want to visit them for whatever reason (like knowing he'd be the unquestioned backup).[/QUOTE]

I thought I heard somewhere the Dolphins might sign Tommy Maddox

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man people REALLY dont want ramsey.

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I don't know what to think about Ramsey but there are reports that the Bengals are now asking about him. My take if he isn't picked up now or before the draft we should not cut him! Keep him around and work him in to the O! Just never know what can happen! Burnell could go down,Campbell may not be ready or Collins can he do the job? Now there is no sure thing that Ramsey could but there is on thing. Someone is going to run in to a QB troubles between now and the trading dead line in the fall! He is a fall back plan if we have trouble or someone else has a QB go down. Well it come to that? Who knowns? I think it will come down to draft day in april myself!

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the bengals asked earlier than this morning. he just said no thanks.

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[QUOTE=PWNED]man people REALLY dont want ramsey.[/QUOTE]

Yeah because he's not that good. (bring it on, Offiss)

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Yeah because he's not that good. (bring it on, Offiss)[/QUOTE]

That's a great sig Schneed

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Yeah because he's not that good. (bring it on, Offiss)[/QUOTE]

oh SNAP. AND lavar sucks. DOUBLE SNAP.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Yeah because he's not that good. (bring it on, Offiss)[/QUOTE]

nah, every team is just wrong like us. Get in line.

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abraham wants [b]18mill[/b] in SB (for a problem child? no thanks). The broncos are no longer interested unless the price drops.

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yup. i have this feeling we'll see abraham waiting a while until someone decides to take a chance on him.

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[QUOTE=PWNED]yup. i have this feeling we'll see abraham waiting a while until someone decides to take a chance on him.[/QUOTE]

Can't wait to long the money around the league is drying up fast!

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meanwhile his price will plummet.

he could always sign the tender and force the jets to cut people like woodson did ;)

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The problem is not that we have 4 QB's and that teams will wait for him to be released before going after him. Players bring good trades all the time that other teams know will be cut at some point. The highly desired players teams will trade for because they want them before another team gets to them. Ramsey is not one of those players so he will end up being cut or we will get some high draft pick for him.

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Perhaps Ramsey's own expectations are too high if he is saying no to the Bengals. I mean, he wants to start somewhere and not be a bench warmer. Fat chance of someone offering him a starting job. Wherever he ends up he'll be a backup to start with and unless the primary QB does poorly or gets hurt he won't see the field.

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at first iw ould have thought someone would offer him a starting job. now not so much. its time for ramsey to cut and run. hes GONNA be a backup somewhere unless someone gets hurt.

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Hey this is my first post over here on Warpath. I was thinking since we dont want/need Abe anymore, and I think a 7th round pick for Ramsey is a waste, how bout maybe we trade Ramsey and our 2nd round pick for the Jets 2nd round, 36th overall pick? That you put us in an excellent position to grab either a very solid CB or LB that may be able to contribute immediatly and fill one of two big defensive needs.

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[QUOTE=SamSneed36]Hey this is my first post over here on Warpath. I was thinking since we dont want/need Abe anymore, and I think a 7th round pick for Ramsey is a waste, how bout maybe we trade Ramsey and our 2nd round pick for the Jets 2nd round, 36th overall pick? That you put us in an excellent position to grab either a very solid CB or LB that may be able to contribute immediatly and fill one of two big defensive needs.[/QUOTE]

I LOVE that idea. Jets might even be willing to go for it too.

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[QUOTE=SamSneed36]Hey this is my first post over here on Warpath. I was thinking since we dont want/need Abe anymore, and I think a 7th round pick for Ramsey is a waste, how bout maybe we trade Ramsey and our 2nd round pick for the Jets 2nd round, 36th overall pick? That you put us in an excellent position to grab either a very solid CB or LB that may be able to contribute immediatly and fill one of two big defensive needs.[/QUOTE]

welcome to the board!

if they would only give us a 7th, they won't trade up that far, cause the value (for them) isn't there.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]welcome to the board!

if they would only give us a 7th, they won't trade up that far, cause the value (for them) isn't there.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the Welcome. You dont think they would make that trade since they wont be losing the pick, it just drops a few slots. They still would have that 4th overall, QB is a HUGE problem area, even if they draft Leinhart they may need a backup because they really have no one. I think they would be much more willing to trade down a few spots and get a QB they are interested in then to give up an entire pick

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[QUOTE=SamSneed36]Thanks for the Welcome. You dont think they would make that trade since they wont be losing the pick, it just drops a few slots. They still would have that 4th overall, QB is a HUGE problem area, even if they draft Leinhart they may need a backup because they really have no one. I think they would be much more willing to trade down a few spots and get a QB they are interested in then to give up an entire pick[/QUOTE]

on the value chart a 7th is worthless and moving up even one space in the 2nd is worth more than a 7th, so that'd be a massive stretch. why not keep the #2 where they'll have access to 20 more (and presumably better) players and toss a 6th or 7th instead (which are truely worthless).

If you were on the other side of the deal and ramsey's value to you was a 6th or 7th, there's NO WAY you'd think that'd be a good trade.