Portis?!?!
 

Not even sure if we are ready to start posting but holy cow, portis for bailey, I will go to champs house and help him pack!!

I couldn't believe that when I saw the news this morning. Champ for Portis and possibly our 2nd rounder, I say go for it even with a 2nd rounder. Portis is just 22 and already has back to back 1500+ yard seasons, this is a move we have to make IMO.

oh yeah
 

It is the combination of many things,but mainly champ doesnt want to be here, Portis doesnt want to be in Denver, he is very cheap for the next two years, even if we throw him a bone and give him a bonus or something it is still saving tons on the salary cap...obviously if we give up our second pick this year then we need to address defense with our first round pick...my vote is for taylor out of Miami...

hey guys, what's the cap ramifications on us taking Portis and giving up champ. If I'm not mistaken, Portis still is under contract from when he signed as a rookie and that would obviously be be cap friendly however, will he want a new deal with the Skins. Oh yeah, is Scott's gonna help him pack, I'll drive his moving truck for him for NADA !!! So long Champ ...

not sure of the exact number but I do know that it is in the 300K range, basically nothing!! Champ would have been 6.8 MIL so a net savings of 6.5 MIL for a better player IMO

That's definetly a good thing from a cap perspective. Later Champ, hello Clinton Portis and the Skins running the ball up everybody's A_S !!! Don't get me wrong, Champ is one of, if not the best, cover corner in the NFL IMO and will be missed however, Trung and Ladell won't be able to get the job done in Gibbs' system on the offensive side so, I like the trade.

Portis is going to be looking for a new deal though I'm pretty sure.

I am sure he will be looking for a new deal but we dont have to give him one, he has two years left, make him prove himself as a redskin then restructure next year.

The drama just never stops this offseason does it?;)

I love the idea of getting Portis, a back of his caliber could do some extraordinary things in a Gibbs offense.

What I don't like is the idea of giving up a 2nd round pick-- in addition to Bailey-- to get Portis.

When you consider the fact that Portis has compiled his stats in Shanahan's Denver offense-- which produced so many 1,000 yard seasons with other runningbacks, while Bailey has been a defensive stalwart under so many different defensive coordinators and schemes, hasn't missed a single game, and has 4 Pro Bowls to his name; it's hard to fathom giving up anything additional-- [i]especially a 2nd round pick[/i]-- in a trade.

I just feel like the Redskins are getting the short end of the stick in their haste to deal Bailey by March 3rd. The irony of all of this is that with Gibbs' return, we expected to see a more measured, conservative approach to offseason acquisitions. The reality is that Gibbs' return seems to have brought about a more frenetic pace and tone to what was already known as one of the most hyperactive front offices in the league.

Anyone think he's the type to boycott training camp if he doesn't get the new deal he may want and is traded to the Skins? Kind of a dumb question but, if I were to guess, he would work out a new deal before a trade just as the Broncos would need to work out a new deal for Champ. Any thoughts ...

[QUOTE=skinsfan_n_vegas]Anyone think he's the type to boycott training camp if he doesn't get the new deal he may want and is traded to the Skins? Kind of a dumb question but, if I were to guess, he would work out a new deal before a trade just as the Broncos would need to work out a new deal for Champ. Any thoughts ...[/QUOTE]
From the sound of it, Portis and Bailey would both have new deals in place before the trade is consummated.

No new deals, no trade.

My only concern with getting Portis is look at Terrell Davis, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Quentin Griffin. Any time one of those is the primary back in Denver they do well. So is it the runner or is the system? That being said, if Portis is just 80% as good here in DC as in Denver that's still better than anything we have. And it's better than most of the league. So yeah I'd make the deal. What's DC without a Clinton?

Anyone hear the rumor that has us sending Champ to the Jets for their 1st and 2nd, then sending our 1st and their second to Denver for Portis? And what do you all think of a Champ for Shaun Alexander swap?

It's good to be back on the warpath!

[QUOTE=joecrisp]From the sound of it, Portis and Bailey would both have new deals in place before the trade is consummated.

No new deals, no trade.[/QUOTE]
Yeah neither guy will be going anywhere without a new deal.

I think Portis is gonna be lookin' for BIG $$$. How's that gonna work and will we be able to afford him? I guess the only way we'll know is if the deal goes down.

You know, it's funny Smooty, but I read two articles over the weekend, one from Adam Schefter of the Denver Post, and the other from one of the Seattle paper, that [i]proposed[/i] the Portis and Alexander deals, respectively. Initially, it appeared that these writers were merely suggesting the viability of these potential trades-- but lo and behold, on Monday, Portis-for-Bailey is all the rage!Apparently, the Portis-Bailey rumor swept throught Indy on Friday or Saturday, and by Monday, Gibbs was verifying the possibility of it to the media. I haven't heard any additional word on the possibility of trading for Alexander. It would be interesting to know which came first-- the rumor, or the reality?

Ok well someone has to be not so excited right? hahaha

I mean... I think Portis is may possibly be the best back in all of football (an EYE_POPPING 5.5 yds/carry avg. each of first 2 years... find someone who can come close to THAT)... BUT

Champ IS the best cover corner in football, and he's only 25!!

Straight up.. player for player? That is KINDA shady enough, considering the fact that Portis in the near future will be expecting money EXCEEDING Bailey's piddely (in comparison) 55 MIL deal. I personally think a cheaper, reliable back can be found in the draft or cheaper in Free Agency. I mean... runners are a product of their systems for the most part, using Denver as the perfect example (Davis, Gary, Anderson, Portis, Griffin).

A 2nd round pick too?? HELL NO. Can ANYONE say DEFENSE????

You mean to tell me we'd be down a 2nd and 3rd round pick this year AND the best player on our defense that was ranked in the 20's in most categories??? That wouldn't bother anyone?

And to say, well we'll get them through free agency is a little naive considering what we have guaranteed Brunell and would have to pay Portis to make him happy he is coming to DC.

Damn I'd love to see CP run for us... but I'd rather draft a Greg Jones, Chirs Perry or Quincy Wilson outside the 1st round, let them compete with Betts and McCullough in camp for the job and use our 2 FISRT ROUND PICKS (one from dealing Champ to the Lions for the 6th overall) on 2 young defensive STUDS... that we need so desperately! .... but that's just me... and I am certainly no expert.

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I think the main setback in this , is that we wont be drafting Sean Taylor if we get this trade. I juts say that cause I think we will have to trade up and get a second back. Draft a Udeze, maybe a Starks in the second and were sitting pretty. I LOVE This trade, As for those guys going to help pack, If you need any help, lemme know, I'll drive the forklift

I don't like it. Straight up trade would be okay, but they want our 2nd, too? No way, they should be giving us their 2nd (or at least a 3rd) and Portis for Champ. RBs come a dime a dozen, but a shut down corner is hard to come by.

This is why, in my opinion, straight up is a steal. I mean the second rounder, its sketchy but oh well, we were gonan draft a RB there proboly anyways.... but straight up, Champ is a CB , and its harder to come by a great corner than a great RB. BUT you need a great RB A HELL of alot more than you need a CB. I mean we can throw a average CB back there, beef up the dline and boom, were in business. If we dont have a good Runner Back there, especially in Gibbs offense, we are , in fact screwed.

please send bailey away.
 

He doesnt want to be a skin. get rid of him.

Latest I saw is Detroit have pulled out, apparently because we insisted on their 1st and 2nd picks.

Also more are tapping Denver on the possibility of picking up Portis.

All things being equal, considering the cost (2nd round pick), I'd shy away and look at the Seattle trade, assuming it's genuine and they are still interested. Alexander would be able to grind out the tough yards and we could use Canidate/McCullough as alternates. I'd also trade Betts for picks, so we can bolster the depth.

I agree with those that say we shouldn't be sending a 2nd rounder to denver in addition to champ, but what if we sent a pick from next years draft, gives us the ability to draft now for a need and allows all of our backups to be in the gibbs system for a year to compete and learn...lets face it this day and age we are going to have atleast one hole in the team because of salary cap, but with a good coach that hole will be much less noticeable.

What???
 

I say, Why hasn't this trade happened already???

....trading period doesn't start until March 3. That's why you haven't seen Mark Brunell hold up Hasselbeck's no. 8 jersey yet.

Portis is a great back but as Joe Crisp said, Shenahans system pumps them out! I think he also has a keen eye for talent at that position and I have tons of respect for Portis, he's an excellent blitz picker-uper for a small guy!

I think it's a good trade but I don't know about a 2nd rounder. I like the idea of giving one of next year's picks away. Or maybe a later round pick this year and a 3rd next year.

[QUOTE=Hail to the Redskins]....trading period doesn't start until March 3. That's why you haven't seen Mark Brunell hold up Hasselbeck's no. 8 jersey yet.[/QUOTE]

What with Hasselbeck's name crossed out and Brunell in shaky writing underneath? :D

I agree with most that a straight up trade would be great, but the 2nd rounder is too much. If they swapped 2nd rounders with us, or even gave us their 3rd, I would be more ok with it. Either way, if the deal goes through, there is no doubt that Portis will be this year's Coles.
As for the thought of him being a product of Denver's great system and O-line, with our O-line now coached by Gibbs & Bugel, they will be no slouches either!

It's more Shenahans system than his line, in my opinion. He could turn Candidate into a 1K yard rusher.. Ok, that's a stretch, but he uses his RB great and has great schemes to let them use their own moves in the open field!

I can understand why the 'Skins aren't eager to give up a 2nd rounder in addition to Champ, but I think this is a deal they have to find a way to get done.

Yes Shanahan's system has pumped out it's share of 1000 yard rushers, but Portis is not a product of his system. The guy is a complete back, he has the quickness, speed, hands, agility and vision that every team dreams of.

Portis in Gibbs' offense would be downright scary. With an offense that would feature Coles, Brunell and Portis it would be downright explosive and perhaps the most talented trio Gibbs has ever had.

[QUOTE]Shanahan's system has pumped out it's share of 1000 yard rushers[/QUOTE]

I agree...but so did Gibbs in his first run. That said, they could get someone cheaper, but if they are able to make an average-to-good back look great, just imagine them with a great one like Portis! (Hopefully we won't have to imagine)
Skins FO, please make it happen and try to at least get another pick back, even if it is a 3rd-4th rounder!

I wouldn't mind giving up Champ and a second rounder for Portis. Champ is basically gone and though I'd hate to lose the 2nd rounder, it would be well worth it.

If we were to trade Champ to Detroit for their 1st and 2nd (which they are balking at), I highly doubt that we would get two players equal in value to Portis. Plus, we're going to spend tons of money on a players drafted #6 overall (probably close to what we'd spend on Portis). Third, there is no guarantee that the players we draft will be decent. They could end up being overpaid washouts. Fourth, Portis is very, very young (22) and he's got years left before he hits his peak. Finally, there are a number of decent corners that could adequately fill the void left by Champ.

Go for the trade and get some good defensive players in free agency.

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I wouldn't mind giving up Champ and a second rounder for Portis. Champ is basically gone and though I'd hate to lose the 2nd rounder, it would be well worth it.

If we were to trade Champ to Detroit for their 1st and 2nd (which they are balking at), I highly doubt that we would get two players equal in value to Portis. Plus, we're going to spend tons of money on a players drafted #6 overall (probably close to what we'd spend on Portis). Third, there is no guarantee that the players we draft will be decent. They could end up being overpaid washouts. Fourth, Portis is very, very young (22) and he's got years left before he hits his peak. Finally, there are a number of decent corners that could adequately fill the void left by Champ.

Go for the trade and get some good defensive players in free agency.[/QUOTE]

Portis's age is a big deal here. We've talked about drafting a player, but Portis has NFL experience - unmatched by most everyone (3000 yards in two years), and is only a year older than Kevin Jones, and two years older than Steven Jackson. "Can't miss" is an overused phrase, so I'm trying to think up a better one. I'll let you know if I do.

Latest Word.....I may like the Jets offer more.
 

(9:00 AM): Bailey-Portis deal "all but done"...At least that's what sources in Denver are saying regarding a proposed trade that would send Pro Bowl Denver RB Clinton Portis to Washington in exchange for Pro Bowl CB Champ Bailey and the Redskins' second round pick at the 2004 draft. According to the source, the two teams have settled on the compensation. Now both teams are feverishly trying to work new contract deals with the respective players. Denver, which is tight to the cap could have the harder time fitting Bailey, who has already rejected a 9-year, $55M, including a $15M signing bonus, from the Redskins. In fact, sources in Washington are a little more guarded in their optimism about a deal getting done. The Redskins are talking with Portis about a contract extension, but are still taking offers for Bailey from other teams just in case. [B]The Jets, for example, have reportedly offered the Redskins Pro Bowl DE Shaun Ellis, RB LaMont Jordan and TE Anthony Becht to Washington for Bailey, RB Ladell Betts and that #2 pick.[/B]

That Jets offer actually sounds good. We get a DE and TE, and we could work some other trades to get more picks and get a good RB (I don't see Jordan as better than a backup) too.

I don't like the Jets trade at all.

Betts for Jordan - okay that's a push (neither has lived up to the hype)
Becht for high 2nd roudner - okay that's a push
Ellis for Bailey-Ellis is a very good player and is coming on but he is not worth anything close to Bailey

[QUOTE=joecrisp]The drama just never stops this offseason does it?;)

I love the idea of getting Portis, a back of his caliber could do some extraordinary things in a Gibbs offense.

What I don't like is the idea of giving up a 2nd round pick-- in addition to Bailey-- to get Portis.

When you consider the fact that Portis has compiled his stats in Shanahan's Denver offense-- which produced so many 1,000 yard seasons with other runningbacks, while Bailey has been a defensive stalwart under so many different defensive coordinators and schemes, hasn't missed a single game, and has 4 Pro Bowls to his name; it's hard to fathom giving up anything additional-- [i]especially a 2nd round pick[/i]-- in a trade.

I just feel like the Redskins are getting the short end of the stick in their haste to deal Bailey by March 3rd. The irony of all of this is that with Gibbs' return, we expected to see a more measured, conservative approach to offseason acquisitions. The reality is that Gibbs' return seems to have brought about a more frenetic pace and tone to what was already known as one of the most hyperactive front offices in the league.[/QUOTE]


My sentiments exactly...

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I don't like the Jets trade at all.

Betts for Jordan - okay that's a push (neither has lived up to the hype)
Becht for high 2nd roudner - okay that's a push
Ellis for Bailey-Ellis is a very good player and is coming on but he is not worth anything close to Bailey[/QUOTE]

We're getting shafted in that proposal.

Jordan is a slight upgrade - in terms of durability. There aren't five TE's in the league worth trading away a high second rounder for - the potential of the pick is more valuable. Ellis for Bailey is laughable.

The Jets are trying to make their fans forget about Coles, Hall, Thomas, and Morton leaving by sticking us.

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I don't like the Jets trade at all.

Betts for Jordan - okay that's a push (neither has lived up to the hype)
Becht for high 2nd roudner - okay that's a push
Ellis for Bailey-Ellis is a very good player and is coming on but he is not worth anything close to Bailey[/QUOTE]

In re-reading it I agree. If they dropped the 2nd rounder to a 5th or lower, or no pick at all, I'd go for it.

I concur
 

The Jets offer may not be the best in the world, but I sure do like that the Skins weren't so quick to just run with the Portis - Bailey & 2nd round pick trade. Here are a few of my concerns....

A) Portis has certainly shown that he can run the ball, but as many folks have stated (both here on the board, and all over the news), there haven't been many RBs in Denver recently that haven't been able to run the ball.

B) The proposed trade with Denver fills one hole on the Skins team, opens up another (albeit an inevitable hole.....Chump is gone), but most importantly, that trade leaves us with little room to improve the many other areas on the team that are in need of improvement. Portis will undoubtedly sign a big contract (perhaps long term, which may lighten the cap hit a bit, but I'm sure it will still be a decent hit), so the Skins will still have some cap issues. Plus, with yet another draft pick gone, we'll be forced to go to the FA market, which is typically filled with guys who want more money, or are past their prime. At least the Jets trade would fill improve on a couple of positions.

C) And this one, I must admit, I'm not really "in the know" about.....but from what I've heard, Portis is a young kid with a huge chip on his shoulder. Several of his former prisonmates/teammates (at Miami, I'm not sure which term they use ;-) have expressed some displeasure with Portis' attitude....namely Willis McGahee & Jeremy Shockey.

Again, I'm not saying that the Jets offer is the one we should accept, but I do like that they're still out there shopping. Is yet another "superstar" the answer?? I sure wish they'd talk to Buffalo about possibly working out some blockbuster deal to get Travis Henry & Antoine Winfield for Bailey, Betts, and perhaps a few other options to sweeten the pot. That would give us yet another great DB, plus a money RB.

Jeremy Shockey comlained about someones attitude?!?