Smallish WRs out to show size doesn't matter
 

Good article, especially since we seem have this argument all the time over the Skins' need for a big WR.

[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2344395"]LINK[/url]

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Im a little worried about our red zone touchdown production as far as size, but that's about it. Lloyd has the hops to get a lot of balls over DBs.

Hopefully Portis will turn into Priest Holmes -- Hop the pile!

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sellers and cooley in the redzone. Lloyd can jump like bullet out of a gun anyways.

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Sellers and Cooley combined for 14 TD catches last year, I'd say that's pretty good big guy production.

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First off, Cooley, Sellers, and Fauria are our red zone threats. Second, the Smurfs did just fine.

Also, do we really need a big wideout when Moss and Randle El are scoring on 50 yard bombs? :biggthump

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I thought we ranked pretty high last year in red zone scoring. I do not know where to find the stat so if anyone can find please post it would be interesting to see.

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here, in the red zone... sean taylor on one side, lloyd on the other (40+ int verts), cooley as the TE (great at finding holes in coverage)... sellers in the backfield as a blocker or power back, and portis for your speed back (that can break tackles, jump over a pile, and catch a quick pass).

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Hmmm, that article reminds me of something I said just a few days ago ...

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?p=160910#post160910[/url]

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our red zone scoring wasn't great in gibbs first year, but if was near the top of the league this last year. We didn't have to kick many field goals.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]Hmmm, that article reminds me of something I said just a few days ago ...

[url="http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?p=160910#post160910"]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?p=160910#post160910[/url][/QUOTE]

except that that article was written more than 2 weeks before your post. and others had been saying that here for two years.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Sellers and Cooley combined for 14 TD catches last year, I'd say that's pretty good big guy production.[/QUOTE]


We can also add Christian Fauria to the mix, good red zone target

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If you want to know well our redzone offense was last year just try to think back to the 18 games they played. Whenever they were in the redzone did you feel they were adequate enough to score? My feeling is that they had the weapons to get in. I remember feeling confident that we would score on any given redzone opportunity. As someone already pointed out Cooley and Sellers did a great job getting in the endzone.
Another stat related question would be knowing how many 20+ yard TD plays did we have? I definitely can think of two such TD!!!

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Didn't we have something like 12 TDs in our last 12 red zone attempts last year?

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Our problem was more "getting started" than "finishing". It seemed like the Skins had trouble getting past the 50 yrd line at times, but once they got on the otherside, they always seemed to get something out of the drive and like many have mentioned, more often than not it was a TD, not a FG.

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jump balls scare me anyway. were not playing 500 here in the redzone. if the receivers/tight ends can generate separation that would be a bonus.

I am trying to think of the chiefs red zone offense and trying to mix it with ours. What i come up with is a run heavy red zone team with a little play action to the tight ends and fullbacks.

save the fast receivers for what they are really good at, using their speed in the open field to generate separation. Those type of plays form well before the red zone.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Didn't we have something like 12 TDs in our last 12 red zone attempts last year?[/QUOTE]

yeah seriously. were not oging to have ANY problems in the red zone this year. its going to be all about that roll out play to sellers or cooley.

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How would you rate Santanna Moss' quickness versus Randle El? or Brandon Lloyd? What I'm asking is Moss owned the WR screen last year: could Lloyd or Randle El also be used with similiar effect? I think our small, quick WR's are going to cause so many sleepless nights for our opponents defensive coordinators. This thread actually has me getting pretty excited thinking about the scoring possibilites!

:point:

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[QUOTE=That Guy]except that that article was written more than 2 weeks before your post. and others had been saying that here for two years.[/QUOTE]

Details, details. It's always details with you isn't it?

Actually, I've been saying the same thing since '99 when I first got a computer with access to the internet and I joined at the original Warpath Yahoo! group.

So there.

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bsb,was i the only one to get the gun analogy?

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan]How would you rate Santanna Moss' quickness versus Randle El? or Brandon Lloyd? What I'm asking is Moss owned the WR screen last year: could Lloyd or Randle El also be used with similiar effect? I think our small, quick WR's are going to cause so many sleepless nights for our opponents defensive coordinators. This thread actually has me getting pretty excited thinking about the scoring possibilites!

:point:[/QUOTE]

all three (and cooley) are good open field runners that can make people miss. El has good short speed, his long speed isn't as great as guys like moss though. Lloyd is a bit slower, but a much better jumper.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Good article, especially since we seem have this argument all the time over the Skins' need for a big WR.

[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2344395"]LINK[/url][/QUOTE]
It's all about speed now. A big WR is useless if he can't run. That's why TO's still dangerous and McCants and Rod Gardner just stink. All pro bowl WRs have great hands and are way fast...Randel El and Lloyd are sweet. There aren't anymore Art Monk's left in the league, and it's bullshit that he's not in the Hall.

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[QUOTE=SanFranSkinsFan]It's all about speed now. A big WR is useless if he can't run. That's why TO's still dangerous and McCants and Rod Gardner just stink. All pro bowl WRs have great hands and are way fast...Randel El and Lloyd are sweet. There aren't anymore Art Monk's left in the league, and it's bullshit that he's not in the Hall.[/QUOTE]

a few years ago CBs were allowed to maul WRs all the way down the field (the panthers were the worst offenders and rode WR abuse to the SB). at the time big receivers were necessary cause they took less injuries and could use strength to break away.

now with the 5 yard rule actually being called, being big helps more in the red zone than in the open field, which is how it should be.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]a few years ago CBs were allowed to maul WRs all the way down the field (the panthers were the worst offenders and rode WR abuse to the SB). at the time big receivers were necessary cause they took less injuries and could use strength to break away.

now with the 5 yard rule actually being called, being big helps more in the red zone than in the open field, which is how it should be.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I agree and that all makes a ton of sense. Also defenses are dictating even more than they could have imagined back in the day. With the Pats 3-4, you have no idea what's going on, just like our defense when we do double fire CB blitzes and 9 man blitzes with Springs and Rodgers on an island.

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Portis should have like 25 touchdowns this year and thats real no B.S. Sellers no problem gettin in the endzone, cooley no problem, our recievers no problem we are dangerous.