whos the starting positions at receiver?
 

who do you see being our starting receivers?.....i think we can all agree on santana moss being the number one but what about #2 #3 and #4. we have four i think really capable receivers making a big impact for the skins. so whos gnna bbe the ones to line up as the receivers and why.

my picks
#1- santana moss- hands down super explosive and great playmaker ability and great adjustment to terrible balls thrown by brunell.
#2-Brandon Lloyd- this guy definitley has playmaker ability i cant wait to watch him make spectacular grabs. i hope he doesnt become a distraction in the locker room.
#3-david patten- even though everyone likes randle el, including me, i dont think hes better than david patten. david has speed, has good route running ability and i think he truley didnt get a fair shot. i think hes hungry to prove everyone wrong and feels disrespected with the skins bringin in two more receivers. i really think he has ability to be #2 receiver but the coaching staff would never put him there after putting all that money to lloyd and antwaan
#4 randle el- great player on special teams great character and great all around athlete. i dont think he has enough ability as strictly receiver to be better than patten or Lloyd. i would love to see him in trick plays screen plays and especially returning the ball on special teams. i think thats where he makes most of his impact.

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i really dont think there will be a clear cut #1 unless its by title only. i think there will be sets with each receiver as the featured player. i think moss will be featured more than the others, but i think after moss, everyone is a #2.

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1. Moss
2. Randle El
3. Lloyd
4. Patten
5. Thrash

Randle El and Lloyd will be interchangeable at the #2, since we should be running alot of 3 WR sets I don't think there will be a big difference between the two. Randle El should handle more of the slot duties and Lloyd will probably play more wide.

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Moss, Lloyd, Randel El / Patten. Tharsh will be mostly special teamer. I think Randel El will be the 3rd, you cant pay a guy 30 million to be a number four. Really, I dont see how you can pay him to be a 3, but I think Lloyd is the better true WR.

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I think Randle-El is better suited as a slot receiver but will probably get the number of touches that are indicative of a #2 WR.. Lloyd is more effective working from the outside in and on jump balls since he isn't as quick and elusive as Randle-El.. Since we are going to do predominantly 3 WR then Moss, Lloyd and Randle-El will all be starters..

1-Moss
2-Lloyd
2A-Randle-El
4-Patten

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Moss, Lloyd, Randel El / Patten. Tharsh will be mostly special teamer. I think Randel El will be the 3rd, you cant pay a guy 30 million to be a number four. Really, I dont see how you can pay him to be a 3, but I think Lloyd is the better true WR.[/QUOTE]

exactly Patten is the number 4 and Lloyd will be the number 2 because he is more of a posesion receiver than randal and in 2 receiver set that yo udon't use that much you need someone who can get the tough yards. Randal is more of the slot receiver type.

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What about my man Taylor Jacobs?

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[QUOTE=skinsttw]What about my man Taylor Jacobs?[/QUOTE]

What about him??

Unless he suddenly grows a pair and starts impressing people outside of practice, expect him to hit the waiver wire at some point this offseason.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]What about him??

Unless he suddenly grows a pair and starts impressing people outside of practice, expect him to hit the waiver wire at some point this offseason.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I agree, atleast Thrash proves himself on special teams and he can fill in if need be at WR (when healthy)...

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Moss #1
Lloyd #2
Patten/Randle El/Thrash #3 (depending on package)

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I think that with Saunders coming in, we might see more Spread Sets with all 4 on the line. The problem is that Coach Superior tried the same thing a few years ago and now Patrick Ramsey is in New York and still suffering PTSD.

What I'm still trying to noodle through is where Cooley will line up. You simply cannot take him out of a passing situation. He's too reliable as a checkdown or crossing receiver. Do you line him up in the backfield to pick up a blitz and/or break outside as a checkdown? Gonzalez lit it up in KC, so I know that Cooley's not going to be forgotten.

The Skins have a LOT of weapons at their disposal right now. Al Saunders should be grinning like a kid at Christmas devising schemes to take advantage of everyone. Plus, if they each can line up in different slots at different times, they will drive D-Coordinators crazy.

Isn't it nice to even be having this discussion for a change?

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Regarding Cooley I think we'll continue to line him up all over the place. I can definitely see him taking on a Gonzalez type of role in this offense under Saunders.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Regarding Cooley I think we'll continue to line him up all over the place. I can definitely see him taking on a Gonzalez type of role in this offense under Saunders.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely, Cooley may not be as big, but I think he may create more problems because he is pretty quick and most LBs can not keep up with him. And how many safeties do you keep in the game to cover our WR, if they do that, Portis will run all over them. I can see is creating all kinds of problems for teams.

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[QUOTE=Sociofan]I think that with Saunders coming in, we might see more Spread Sets with all 4 on the line. The problem is that Coach Superior tried the same thing a few years ago and now Patrick Ramsey is in New York and still suffering PTSD.

What I'm still trying to noodle through is where Cooley will line up. You simply cannot take him out of a passing situation. He's too reliable as a checkdown or crossing receiver. Do you line him up in the backfield to pick up a blitz and/or break outside as a checkdown? Gonzalez lit it up in KC, so I know that Cooley's not going to be forgotten.

The Skins have a LOT of weapons at their disposal right now. Al Saunders should be grinning like a kid at Christmas devising schemes to take advantage of everyone. Plus, if they each can line up in different slots at different times, they will drive D-Coordinators crazy.

Isn't it nice to even be having this discussion for a change?[/QUOTE]

I don't think we'll see a 4-WR set very often. Maybe occasionally, certainly more often than last year. But I see mostly a one-back set with Portis, 3 WRs, and Cooley in the traditional H-Back role. I honestly don't think Saunders is going to tinker with Cooley much. If it isn't broken, don't fix it. He's not going to force an entirely new system on the Redskins, he's going to adapt.

We'll still see our fair share of 2 WR, Portis, Cooley, and Fauria too. Gotta run with power sometimes.

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its about time we give defensive coordinaters a hard time, its gnna be great!....itll be way too hard to gameplan for our team.what im even more excited for is madden 07......but i do hope we win games so our receivers dont become disgruntled

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For those of you familiar with the 2006 Madden "Joe Gibbs' Playbook." Please share a moment of silence with me as we contemplate the possibilities in the 3 receiver bunch set just off tackle. Oh my god, glorious day!

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This may be for another topic, but seeing as how this discussion has gone the "Madden" route, here is my question: I guess Madden 07 will still be on the PS2 and not the new PS3 which is not coming out until close to Christmas right? The Madden 07 Skins should be fun to play!

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oh no! Matty dont kill us. Please cease and desist from all Madden talk on this thread. I only meant to imply that it doesnt matter the order. Just get our top 3 on the field. And I do love the bunch.

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This doesn't really answer the question of who starts, but nonetheless here's a Q & A with Stan Hixon

[url]http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=16027[/url]

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for madden's sake i hope we sign jeff mitchell (91 @ LG) and dyson (86 @ CB, high CTH) ;) mccune at ROLB is only a 75, but he's really fast, which makes it alright.

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love it

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taylor does have to get a pair of nutz and he is already with the european league for now i dont expect him to sho up any time soon

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[QUOTE=bigSkinsfan61]taylor does have to get a pair of nutz and he is already with the european league for now i dont expect him to sho up any time soon[/QUOTE]

Taylor Jacobs is in NFL Europe?

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Taylor Jacobs is in NFL Europe?[/QUOTE]

Not on any roster I see.

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Moss as the #1, with Randle-El and Lloyd interchangeable at the two and the slot. Lots of different looks, and I see the 3 wideout set with Cooley and Portis as causing defensive coordinators a lot of sleepless nights. But we've got plenty of different looks, and Patten will make some plays too.

But the big winner will be H-Back. Cooley will be a red zone beast this fall, double digits tds.

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[QUOTE=bigSkinsfan61]taylor does have to get a pair of nutz and he is already with the european league for now i dont expect him to sho up any time soon[/QUOTE]

brown i supposed to be in nfle, but jacobs most definately is not in europe.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Taylor Jacobs is in NFL Europe?[/QUOTE]

maybe we can ship him off to NFL land of gum drops and sugar fairies. hed be right at home.

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i have looked all over the nfl europe site....WHO THE HELL DOES HE PLAY FOR!?!??!?!?!??!?!?

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the redskins. :(

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I'm not so sure James Thrash makes it on the team this year. Say what you want about his special teams play, with 4 other wideouts all generally regarded as being ahead of him on the roster, the #5 spot means you're going to be inactive a whole lot.

If there is a fifth wide receiver, I wouldn't be surprised if Thrash gets beaten out by an undrafted free agent.

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[QUOTE=PWNED]the redskins. :([/QUOTE]

Not for long.

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yes, hopefully. even though i can still see them hanging onto him for some depth. even though hes about as deep as me when i go on a date.

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we probably keep 6 WRs and an extra guy on the practice squad. DQ and a couple undrafted FAs may displace jacobs and thrash completely.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]we probably keep 6 WRs and an extra guy on the practice squad. DQ and a couple undrafted FAs may displace jacobs and thrash completely.[/QUOTE]

DQ? Dairy Queen?

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hot eats, cool treats baby.

i wonder if the burger king ever hits that?

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Here is how I see the depth chart at wide receiver. I think James Thrash or Antonio Brown will be released. One may make the team as a special teams player. Randle El will assume all the return duties.
1. Santana Moss - should be the primary receiver.
2. Brandon Lloyd - better release than Randle El. Can handle man-to-man press.
3. Antwaan Randle El - better in the slot. Closer to ball which is desirable for reverses and option passes.
4. David Patten - should be highly motivated to compete with Lloyd and Randle El.
5. Taylor Jacobs - fifth man out. Barring any injuries, I doubt if he sees much playing time. Better contribute on special teams.

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I can't wait for next season. It will be very interesting to see the formations that Al Saunders will use. He has a lot of options and he may use all of them as he did in Kansas City. Let's speculate on the formations.

Jumbo - HB Clinton Portis, FB Mike Sellars, HB Chris Cooley, TE Christian Fauria, WR Santana Moss
Pro - HB Clinton Portis, FB Mike Sellars, TE Chris Cooley, FL Santana Moss, SE Brandon Lloyd
Pro Slot - RB Clinton Portis, TE Chris Cooley, X Santana Moss, Y Brandon Lloyd, Z Antwaan Randle El
Quads - RB Clinton Portis, WR1 Santana Moss, WR2 Brandon Lloyd, WR3 Antwaan Randle El, WR4 David Patten
Empty Backfield - WR1 Santana Moss, WR2 Brandon Lloyd, WR3 Antwaan Randle El, WR4 David Patten, WR5 Taylor Jacobs

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]DQ? Dairy Queen?[/QUOTE]

Drouzon Quillen. 6'6" 4.5 WR, probably goes undrafted... he left school early cause he needs to support his family. Since depth is pretty good, having a super tall guy as a project wouldn't hurt.

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[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins]
Empty Backfield - WR1 Santana Moss, WR2 Brandon Lloyd, WR3 Antwaan Randle El, WR4 David Patten, WR5 Taylor Jacobs[/QUOTE]


I rather have cooley or portis in the WR5 slot.

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[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins]Here is how I see the depth chart at wide receiver. I think James Thrash or Antonio Brown will be released. One may make the team as a special teams player. Randle El will assume all the return duties.
1. Santana Moss - should be the primary receiver.
2. Brandon Lloyd - better release than Randle El. Can handle man-to-man press.
3. Antwaan Randle El - better in the slot. Closer to ball which is desirable for reverses and option passes.
4. David Patten - should be highly motivated to compete with Lloyd and Randle El.
5. Taylor Jacobs - fifth man out. Barring any injuries, I doubt if he sees much playing time. Better contribute on special teams.[/QUOTE]

Good analysis.

It seems that the one thing everyone does agree upon is that Antonio Brown is heading for the door. But, if so, why did the Skins allocate him to NFLE? Why not just cut him and look for a roster spot at a position of more need?

Also, what about speedster Jimmy Farris? Does he have a future with the team or not? He played well when put in the lineup during pre-season (yes, I remember a few drops, but that didn't keep Gardner from a 5 year career here). And I agree that there will likely be a draft choice/FA who will fall in their lap during the offseason.

A long way of saying that I don't think the #5 and/or #6 spots are clear yet. I like James Thrash and he goes hard every down, but does he fit the new system? Don't know.