Rattay tears groin
 

[url]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=knight-rattaysuffersatorngroin&prov=knight&type=lgns[/url]

looks like skinsncanes has another former hurricane out there to pull for now that ken dorsey is their starting qb. i wonder how the 49ers feel about letting garcia go now.

youch

Garcia was far from the future of San Fran. Their biggest mistake was getting rid of Mariuchhi. Time for them to start over! I'm glad, I hate the 49er's, but gotta feel sorry for their fans.

I think i know who might be picking first in the draft next year. 49ers

I can't believe they have more dead cap money then the Skins. I thought we were the kings of dead cap space. I dont know too much about these things but doesn't that type of injury mean that even if he comes back this season he still won't be 100%. They could ask for cap relief, if he wont play at all, right? Then couldn't they then go for Warner or Collins.

[QUOTE=hi-jinx]I can't believe they have more deap cap money then the Skins. I thought we were the kings of dead cap space. I dont know too much about these things but doesn't that type of injury mean that even if he comes back this season he still won't be 100%. They could ask for cap relief, if he wont play at all, right? Then couldn't they then go for Warner or Collins.[/QUOTE]

i would agree that this is a type of injury that is gonna tke longer than this season to heal completely from. i think they may make a push for either of those guys, especially warner cuz he might like the idea of playing against the rams 2 times a year even if it was with the 49ers.

Ken Dorsey may just be the next Tom Brady. Still cant believe the Skins selected Gilbran Hamden over him in the draft.

Yea I agree, Dorsey would have been a much better pick. Dorsey will succeed because all he knows how to do is win. People say his arm isnt strong enough, well its not as strong as most QBs, but if you know that and make the smart throws it doesnt matter. GO CANES

Maybe the Niners will pick up Collins or Warner. Either one would be a good fit, since they are killing off the West Coast offence in SF.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Yea I agree, Dorsey would have been a much better pick. Dorsey will succeed because all he knows how to do is win. People say his arm isnt strong enough, well its not as strong as most QBs, but if you know that and make the smart throws it doesnt matter. GO CANES[/QUOTE]

There are a litany of guys who won at the college level that couldn't play in the NFL. Hamdan may have been a foolish pick (since he likely would have been available as a free agent after the draft), but Dorsey's relatively weak arm puts him on the same page as the dozens of QB's with winning records whose physical skills don't match up to the pro game.

As the success of other players from storied programs (like Miami, in this case) shows us, the QB gets too much credit for victories. Remember the players Dorsey had around him - Portis, Shockey, et al. With players like that, [U]I[/U] could succeed on the 1-A level.

Yeah, I bet Dorsey flounders in the NFL. He didn't win games, but he didn't lose them either.

If I'm the 49ers I'd be all over Kerry Collins.

I think the 49ers are being overly optimistic in thinking Rattay will be ready to roll come week 1.

Dorsey does know how to win, but so did Wuerffel. You still have to have the physical skills to go along with the mental portion of the game.

[QUOTE=Daseal]Yeah, I bet Dorsey flounders in the NFL. He didn't win games, but he didn't lose them either.[/QUOTE]


Dorsey did win games for the Canes. He was the leader on offense. Brock Berlin lost games for the Canes. Im not saying hes going to be a great NFL QB, but he was the leader on the Miami offense and lead them to victory. Losing him had more of an impact that anyone of the players that were drafted in the first round.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Yea I agree, Dorsey would have been a much better pick. Dorsey will succeed because all he knows how to do is win. People say his arm isnt strong enough, well its not as strong as most QBs, but if you know that and make the smart throws it doesnt matter.[/QUOTE]

Isn't that what Spurrier said about Wuerffel??

They may as well start their youngsters. Seems like a rebuilding year anyway.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Dorsey did win games for the Canes. He was the leader on offense. Brock Berlin lost games for the Canes. Im not saying hes going to be a great NFL QB, but he was the leader on the Miami offense and lead them to victory. Losing him had more of an impact that anyone of the players that were drafted in the first round.[/QUOTE]

i think the loses of mcgahee and andre johnson hurt more than the loss of dorsey. granted berlin sucked big time this year, but if he still had those players it would have been a different season for miami even if they only had mcgahee for part of the season.

[QUOTE=Carnage]They may as well start their youngsters. Seems like a rebuilding year anyway.[/QUOTE]

that's what its looking like but don't be suprised if even if the 49ers suck, rashaun woods makes a strong push for rookie of the year since he and barlow r the only weapons they have on offense right now.

[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]i think the loses of mcgahee and andre johnson hurt more than the loss of dorsey. granted berlin sucked big time this year, but if he still had those players it would have been a different season for miami even if they only had mcgahee for part of the season.[/QUOTE]


No way. He had Portis and mcGahee as his two running backs, both obvioulsy great. But Frank Gore was better than both of them. Gore just has had two knee injuries, but had more natural ability than both of them. And thats saying a lot. Dorsey had great talent around him, but so did brock berlin. Dorsey might never play in the NFL but he was the heart and sole of that team. He made the come back drives when we needed them. But yea, there was so much talent on those teams that it was hard not to lose.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]No way. He had Portis and mcGahee as his two running backs, both obvioulsy great. But Frank Gore was better than both of them. Gore just has had two knee injuries, but had more natural ability than both of them. And thats saying a lot. Dorsey had great talent around him, but so did brock berlin. Dorsey might never play in the NFL but he was the heart and sole of that team. He made the come back drives when we needed them. But yea, there was so much talent on those teams that it was hard not to lose.[/QUOTE]

how can anyone prove that gore really had more talent than portis or mcgahee when because of his injuries he never really played? the only significant player berlin had on offense this year was winslow and he never seemed to throw to him.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]If I'm the 49ers I'd be all over Kerry Collins.

I think the 49ers are being overly optimistic in thinking Rattay will be ready to roll come week 1.[/QUOTE]

I heard that the Niners have begun contract negotiations with Kordell Stewart

anyone else watching around the horn when they were talking about this. I nearly :vomit-smi when they said it was completely torn off the bone. i don't know about u guys, but if something like that happened to me, the last thing i'd be worried about would be playing football again in a few monthes. even though i share the sentiments of several other warpath members in their hatred for the 49ers, Rattay has some big time sympathy from me.

Yeah I caught that too, like pulling rib meat right off the bone.

Ugh

Ouch.

i think they will sign Kordell stewart

Kordell is a good choice for them, but only because of cap issues. Kordell should be cheap, and Collins and even Warner, who would be better for the team, will be too expensive.

I hope they get Kordell, because then I think Dorsey will get to start. Kordell is a bum, all he does is throw picks. He used to be athletic, but never had the presence in teh pocket to make the right decision. He had a great year and some decent years, but is way to inconsistent. The 49ers should try to build a QB, they are obvioulsy not going to be an elite team next year.

Kordell is inconsistant, but I think he took a lot of shit last year that didn't need to be taken. He made some good throws but I'd watch his receivers just drop it. I think he could seriously be a talented QB in this league. He's a whole lot better than Dorsey =p

1. I don't know if this line is original with John Riggins but that is where I heard it first:

Minor groin surgery = groin surgery they do to somebody else.


2. Kordell Stewart is now and always will be a mediocre QB. Ken Dorsey is now an unknown quantity because he has not yet played in the NFL, but it will tell you a whole lot about him and his future if he can't beat out someone like Stewart on the depth chart. My opinion is that Dorsey is useless as an NFL QB because he does not have the minimum arm strength needed to do the job. But until he plays a while and stinks on the field, that is merely an opinion.


3. If multiple teams are ainterested in Collins, the Niners may not be able to afford him in their "cap-strapped state". It is unlikely that Stewart will be in the middle of an intense bidding war for his QB services.

Stewart should have converted to WR when he had the chance. He could have been a damn good WR instead of a mediocre QB.