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[B]Redskins | Archuleta working on his own[/B]
Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:48:17 -0700
[URL="http://www.kffl.com/link/177"]David Elfin[/URL], of the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/link/144"]Washington Times[/URL], reports [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl"]Washington Redskins[/URL] S [URL="http://www.kffl.com/player/1772/nfl"]Adam Archuleta[/URL] is working out on his own in Arizona and not attending the team's offseason conditioning program.



that must be the one guy... he overtrains and i think it might be part of the problem with his injuries :(

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Atleast the guy is working out... These guys are professionals and most of them have their own personal trainers in the off-season. I'm not justifying Arch not working out with the team, but these guys do take their off-season workouts very serious.... I mean... look at the guy for Christ sake in a non-fag way.

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[quote=That Guy][B]Redskins | Archuleta working on his own[/B]
Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:48:17 -0700
[URL="http://www.kffl.com/link/177"]David Elfin[/URL], of the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/link/144"]Washington Times[/URL], reports [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl"]Washington Redskins[/URL] S [URL="http://www.kffl.com/player/1772/nfl"]Adam Archuleta[/URL] is working out on his own in Arizona and not attending the team's offseason conditioning program.



that must be the one guy... he overtrains and i think it might be part of the problem with his injuries :([/quote]

My guess is the Skins knew this might be the case when they went after him. No doubt they were aware of his legendary workout regimen. I think it would be perfectly reasonable to expect him to continue doing things the way he's always done it.

Wish he was there to jive with his teammates, but I'll still take Archuleta working out in Arizona over Ryan Clark working out at Redskins Park.

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Some might try to make this an issue, but I really don't think it is.

I'm sure this was probably discussed between him and the team at some point.

If there's one thing we don't need to worry about, it's this guy being out of shape.

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Particularly as a new guy to the team, I feel he should be working out with the Skins. I didn't approve of ST not showing up last year and I don't approve of AA doing the same. I don't care what workout program he has in Arizona, the value of his being with the team exceeds the extra 10 pushups he can do after doing his own thing. First mark against him in my book.

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21]Particularly as a new guy to the team, I feel he should be working out with the Skins. I didn't approve of ST not showing up last year and I don't approve of AA doing the same. I don't care what workout program he has in Arizona, the value of his being with the team exceeds the extra 10 pushups he can do after doing his own thing. First mark against him in my book.[/QUOTE]

I agree the offseason program is about getting to know your teamates.

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21]Particularly as a new guy to the team, I feel he should be working out with the Skins. I didn't approve of ST not showing up last year and I don't approve of AA doing the same. I don't care what workout program he has in Arizona, the value of his being with the team exceeds the extra 10 pushups he can do after doing his own thing. First mark against him in my book.[/quote]

Taylor didn't attend last year and he had a great season in spite of it, and the players all seem to like him.

It would be nice to see him developing team chemistry and all that stuff, but whatever. I don't think this has much impact.

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[quote=Schneed10]Taylor didn't attend last year and he had a great season in spite of it, and the players all seem to like him.

It would be nice to see him developing team chemistry and all that stuff, but whatever. I don't think this has much impact.[/quote]

An argument could be made that as great as he was, couldn't he have been even better if he had shown up for voluntaries? It's all conjecture, but certainly you wouldn't argue that ST had a great year [I]because[/I] he skipped voluntaries. So it's really anyone's guess as to whether or not he was hurt by not being there.

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There will be plenty of time for him to develop chemistry in mandatory team functions.

If the team doesn't have a problem with this, which I'm assuming they don't, why should we?

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I don't like the fact that he is not with the team, but I have no doubts that he will be in top shape come the first mini camp.

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[quote=Mattyk72]There will be plenty of time for him to develop chemistry in mandatory team functions.

If the team doesn't have a problem with this, which I'm assuming they don't, why should we?[/quote]

Because I like to bitch about things and it's a slow day at the office.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Taylor didn't attend last year and he had a great season in spite of it, and the players all seem to like him.

It would be nice to see him developing team chemistry and all that stuff, but whatever. I don't think this has much impact.[/QUOTE]


However, Sean is here this year. There is value if you are Joe Gibbs. He wants to build a family atmosphere at redskin park

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I have mixed feelings about this, but if it were a big issue then it would be all over the papers like taylor last year. Let's just hope that archuletta doesnt get any atv's stolen.
:joke:

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If I'm correct these are conditioning work outs only. I realy don't see how chemistry from these will help with playing chemistry. I know it gives the players a chance to meet and hang out some but pratice and drills will build team chemstry not lifting weights. As long as each player shows up on day one in shape I realy don't care what they do in their off season. As long as their not gett arrested, racing bikes etc...

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Damn....all these excuses for him.........now let me see.......when Santana and Sean did it....most of you........two face girls on here where calling for there lenching............hell he better workout.......im blast his bad back ass the whole year........

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[quote=ST21]Damn....all these excuses for him.........now let me see.......when Santana and Sean did it....most of you........two face girls on here where calling for there lenching............hell he better workout.......im blast his bad back ass the whole year........[/quote]

but only because he's white, right?

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thatguy ,im with you on the point about too much work out might be causing some of the injuries that have plagued A.A. thru out his short career.and with the way his back is,im surprised the skins dont want to monitor him in a controlled situation.im with st21 on this one,he should be in washington with his new teammates.its not about him,its about the team

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[quote=diehardskin2982]However, Sean is here this year. There is value if you are Joe Gibbs. He wants to build a family atmosphere at redskin park[/quote]

Yeah I get this point. But you can build the family atmosphere during minicamps and training camps too. I think the atmosphere has more to do with actually liking your teammates, which begs the question: did Gibbs put together a bunch of punks, or did he get a group of cool guys that get along well? I think it's more important that they have decent personalities and get along well with each other, rather than simply spend more time around one another. I don't think time spent necessarily leads to good chemistry. If Archuleta is a cool, likeable, hard-working guy, he'll step right in and the team will accept him come training camp. If he's a D-bag, the team's not going to like him much no matter how much he's around Redskins Park.

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Schneed makes an excellent point. I read an article (possibly on this site) about how players in previous decades didn't have all the mandatory team activities that are required now. When the spring months hit, they were out making money as door-to-door salesmen, construction workers, etc. just to get an extra pay check. Their physical conditioning was a matter of personal iniciative (spelling?) and responsibility.
On top of that, I know some people work better on their own when it comes to studying, workouts, etc. As a college student, I derived benefit from studying alone instead of working in study groups. I'm not sure why some guys here are freaking out because Archuleta is working out on his own. At least he's taking care of himself.

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But didn't you guys had 99% attendance???????

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[quote=D'BOYZ]But didn't you guys had 99% attendance???????[/quote]

I think if one or two guys are missing on the roster, then the atendence was like 98.7 or something. Maybe the 99% was an older statistic, and AA just recently left for Arizona. But the 99% number basically meant one guy was missing from our roster.

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Honestly, i don't think this is a big deal. From what i've heard of, he's a big workout buff. Lol jk, am i the only one who thinks this guy is fat and out of shape?

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Arch seems like a good team guy from all accounts. He simply has his own workout style that is way outside what most do so it doesn't suit much to be here. He will get plenty of time to mingle with the guys at minicamps. As long as a guy can stay out of trouble and can be trusted to work every bit as hard as anyone else I don't care if they are here or not.

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[QUOTE=mooby]Honestly, i don't think this is a big deal. From what i've heard of, he's a big workout buff. Lol jk, am i the only one who thinks this guy is fat and out of shape?[/QUOTE]
Huh?

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[QUOTE=ST21]Damn....all these excuses for him.........now let me see.......when Santana and Sean did it....most of you........two face girls on here where calling for there lenching............hell he better workout.......im blast his bad back ass the whole year........[/QUOTE]
Taylor was a second year guy who had shown the remarkable ability to make bad decisions. Him being at the voluntary workouts was more to keep him out of trouble more than anything. Look where not going to the workouts has gotten him. Had he been here there is a good chance ST wouldn't be on trial. Anyone here thinks Arch is gonna get in a gun fight anytime out there in Ari?

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[quote=FRPLG] Anyone here thinks Arch is gonna get in a gun fight anytime out there in Ari?[/quote]

Not unless you count his huge biceps as "guns".

Wait, was that a little gay of me?

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Arch not being there is fine with me. Especially this early. He has been in the league for awhile and knows what he needs to do to stay in shape. He will show up in May and then again in June and then again in August..... Man they have a long offseason. It is not like he needs to be developing timing with a QB or an Offensive line or anything. All he needs to do, is know where to line up and then go hit somebody!

I have never played organized football, but I would think Safety and Corner have got to be the easiest positions to play "learning curve wise". Most of the time you are one on one anyway, which is just pure talent. Unless it is your turn to Blitz. Someone help me with this! Am I right or totaly off base.

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[quote=FRPLG]Huh?[/quote]

All i was trying to say was he's the fattest mofo on the field.
Just in case you didn't know, jk = just kidding.

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An interesting tidbit about Archuleta's workout plan. If he's still using the same trainer, it's the same guys that Nomar Garciaparra, Donovan McNabb, and many other professional athletes go to in the offseason. I have the trainers book about the workout plan he created. It's supposed to increase flexability and endurance, in addition to strength. Apparently one of the side effects is a decreased resistance to injury. :doh:

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]An interesting tidbit about Archuleta's workout plan. If he's still using the same trainer, it's the same guys that Nomar Garciaparra, Donovan McNabb, and many other professional athletes go to in the offseason. I have the trainers book about the workout plan he created. It's supposed to increase flexability and endurance, in addition to strength. Apparently one of the side effects is a decreased resistance to injury. :doh:[/QUOTE]

Ironically, his trainer's name is Jay Schroeder....though not the same Jay Schroeder you may be thinking of

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]An interesting tidbit about Archuleta's workout plan. If he's still using the same trainer, it's the same guys that Nomar Garciaparra, Donovan McNabb, and many other professional athletes go to in the offseason. I have the trainers book about the workout plan he created. It's supposed to increase flexability and endurance, in addition to strength. Apparently one of the side effects is a decreased resistance to injury. :doh:[/QUOTE]

Yeah that's exactly the guy I want working me out. I think it's the same guy who works out Ken Griffey, Jr. and Jermaine O'Neal.

I feel a whole lot better about making Arch the highest paid safety in football now, kinda like someone pulled my eyelid down over my chin.

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[quote=scowan]Arch not being there is fine with me. Especially this early. He has been in the league for awhile and knows what he needs to do to stay in shape. He will show up in May and then again in June and then again in August..... Man they have a long offseason. It is not like he needs to be developing timing with a QB or an Offensive line or anything. All he needs to do, is know where to line up and then go hit somebody!

I have never played organized football, but I would think Safety and Corner have got to be the easiest positions to play "learning curve wise". Most of the time you are one on one anyway, which is just pure talent. Unless it is your turn to Blitz. Someone help me with this! Am I right or totaly off base.[/quote]


corner, yes definitley corner is the hardest PHYSICALLY position on the field. there the most athletic on the field, but mentally its one of the easiest. safety a little bit harder, you dont need to be AS physically gifted to be saftey, but its a little more mental work then corner, cause its not jst one on one for safeties they have to know who to pick up when in man whether the receiver, the tight end, the fullback or running back, they have to learn there covers and everything. but every position in football is as difficult as the next........for my high school i play, starting strong safety, #2 wide receiver, special teams, and the # 3 quarterback(randle-el type) i tried corner, not fast enough....and the easiest actually is receiver im a possesion receiver so i dnt have blazing speed

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Hey D'Boyz-
I don't make fun of how fat and outta shape Roy WIlliams is. Him making the Pro Bowl was hilarious to me. Sure he'll hit someone or horse collar anyone anytime he can, but Brunell to Moss 2 times in less than 335 in the 4th during the ring of fame induction MNF game.
I'm not worried about Archuleta, but if he remains on the team next season look for him to attend. Anyone who doesn't attend doesn't understand what it means to be a Redskin yet. Can't wait to see TO in a Dallas uni!!!

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On the learning curve, Jordanz301 is right. Corner is more about ability than safety, but I'd rank safety up there with QB in terms of learning and responsibilities. I played both safety positions, CB, QB, WR (though not for long as I slowed up with age!) and TE. In terms of ability v. skill I'd say CB, WR and TE are more ability than skill, and vice versa for the others, though TE's do have to learn blocking schemes as well as pass routes, so in effect play 2 positions at once.

As to AA, the S position is often the defensive QB. He has to read the whole O and often adjust coverage calls on the fly. Something LB's don't do as a rule. Both safety positions have some responsibility in this, so I'm curious how AA and ST will function together - will GW have a hierachy based on position?

Consequently I think it would have been better if AA was attending meetings etc. to get to know his D colleagues, especially the secondary.

However, as various people have said, a) these are voluntary and b) they are 'only' conditioning workouts. Far more important is attendance when they actually get into coaching meetings and on the practice field.

I keep thinking (especially after the hoo hah about ST) that voluntary workouts should be clearly defined as such (i.e. no stigma at all for not attending) or become mandatory so everyone know where they stand.

I mean, if your boss told you they were having a charity event and helping out was entirely voluntary, then told you if you didn't go it would go down on your annual review, how would you feel?

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[quote=AnonEmouse]
I mean, if your boss told you they were having a charity event and helping out was entirely voluntary, then told you if you didn't go it would go down on your annual review, how would you feel?[/quote]

I suppose I wouldn't mind so much if I just had four months off.

Besides, it's not the coaches that are complaining......it's us the fans.

And, if 99% of all the other workers helped out at the "charity event", wouldn't they have a right to complain as well?

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He's got to keep in that shape to make sure he pleases his wifey.

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[quote=Luxorreb]Hey D'Boyz-
I don't make fun of how fat and outta shape Roy WIlliams is. Him making the Pro Bowl was hilarious to me. Sure he'll hit someone or horse collar anyone anytime he can, but Brunell to Moss 2 times in less than 335 in the 4th during the ring of fame induction MNF game.
I'm not worried about Archuleta, but if he remains on the team next season look for him to attend. Anyone who doesn't attend doesn't understand what it means to be a Redskin yet. Can't wait to see TO in a Dallas uni!!![/quote]


I'm sorry man but I'm not high on Archuletta he's a bad version of Roy Williams they both play close to the line and are better at middle range passes and run support but Archuletta doesn't make so many game changing plays and this might come as a surprise but he gets burned more than Williams.

Really you'll need the chargers against Taylor get drop because you need him the hole season to cover Archuletas Ass.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]I'm sorry man but I'm not high on Archuletta he's a bad version of Roy Williams they both play close to the line and are better at middle range passes and run support but Archuletta doesn't make so many game changing plays and this might come as a surprise but he gets burned more than Williams.

Really you'll need the chargers against Taylor get drop because you need him the hole season to cover Archuletas Ass.[/quote]

roy williams is a bad version of roy williams...

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[quote=D'BOYZ]I'm sorry man but I'm not high on Archuletta he's a bad version of Roy Williams they both play close to the line and are better at middle range passes and run support but Archuletta doesn't make so many game changing plays and this might come as a surprise but he gets burned more than Williams.

Really you'll need the chargers against Taylor get drop because you need him the hole season to cover Archuletas Ass.[/quote]

That's the whole reason Gregg Williams thought that Archuleta would make sense as a Skin. Taylor's range in coverage is nothing short of astounding, and he's capable of coming all the way across the field to cover for an Archuleta mistake in coverage. It's Taylor's range that will free Archuleta to play the way he plays best, close to the line, in run support, or in blitzes.

GW is going to use him as a 4th linebacker on a lot of plays, sending him to make kill shots on your statuesque QB.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]I'm sorry man but I'm not high on Archuletta he's a bad version of Roy Williams[/quote]

Don't tell that to Santana Moss, but seriously though - just out of curiosity: how do you know archuletta is as bad as you say he is ? How many times did you see him play last year ?