ESPN Mock Draft concerning the Redskins
 

ESPN Insider Todd McShay has wasted his time predicting the entire draft. Heres his picks for the Redskins (I think he forgot the pick the Skins' got from the Jets since he still has them selecting in the 6th round)

[B]53. Washington [COLOR=black]Redskins[/COLOR]
Darryl Tapp | DE | Virginia Tech[/B]

[B]153. Washington [COLOR=black]Redskins[/COLOR]
Clint Ingram | OLB | Oklahoma[/B]

[B]189. Washington [COLOR=black]Redskins[/COLOR]
Johnny Jolly | DT | Texas A&M[/B]

[B]196. Washington [COLOR=black]Redskins[/COLOR] (from Carolina)
Terrance Pennington | OT | New Mexico[/B]

[B]230. Washington [COLOR=black]Redskins[/COLOR]
Troy Reddick | OT/OG | Auburn[/B]

[B]250. Washington [COLOR=black]Redskins[/COLOR] (Compensatory Selection)
Ryan Plackemeier | PT | Wake Forest[/B]

[B]DISCUSS[/B]

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nobody knows who anybody is picking in the late rounds...and why would we take a DE

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We would take a de so when can have a pass rush.

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[QUOTE=SPEAR CHUCKER CHIEF]We would take a de so when can have a pass rush.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if you got the memo, but we signed Andre Carter. Also, Phillip Daniels had 8 sacks last year. Seems like those two, coupled with Griffin and pretty much anyone else on the team are going to generate a pass rush.

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we do have pick 173 overall from the jets, shame everyone misses that. ingram is okay, i think better guys will be available later though. posible jahri evans, dion byrum, doughty, etc etc

I don't agree with taking tapp and the skins have shown every indication its going LB, posibly CB with an outsside chance at TE.

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[quote=That Guy]we do have pick 173 overall from the jets, shame everyone misses that. ingram is okay, i think better guys will be available later though. posible jahri evans, dion byrum, doughty, etc etc

I don't agree with taking tapp and the skins have shown every indication its going LB, posibly CB with an outsside chance at TE.[/quote]

Yeah I def think that this guy doesnt really know what he is saying. We are going to go LB or CB and that is obviously, I feel sorry for the people paying for this insider bullshit. It is quite obvious, this guy knows what the concerns are for some major bandwagon teams in the NFL, and the picks that he gave the Skins in this case, are the highest ranked players he has left over at our picks, and they have nothing to do with our needs. The free agents need thread that I posted from yahoo, seems to have a better idea of who and what we need. I am somewhat surprise bc usually yahoo sucks.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]I don't know if you got the memo, but we signed Andre Carter. Also, Phillip Daniels had 8 sacks last year. Seems like those two, coupled with Griffin and pretty much anyone else on the team are going to generate a pass rush.[/QUOTE]
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Redskins Draft Target--DE Rob Ninkovich

By: Ed Thompson

Date: Apr 17, 2006

Among the prospects that the Redskins had a formal interview with at the scouting combines was Rob Ninkovich of Purdue. The defensive end battled his way to the top of the Boilermakers' depth chart midway through his senior year and impressed enough to draw the attention of the Redskins and several other teams.

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Redskins Draft Target--DE Rob Ninkovich

By: Ed Thompson

Date: Apr 17, 2006

Among the prospects that the Redskins had a formal interview with at the scouting combines was Rob Ninkovich of Purdue. The defensive end battled his way to the top of the Boilermakers' depth chart midway through his senior year and impressed enough to draw the attention of the Redskins and several other teams.[/quote]

he was talking about with our 2nd rounder... we've brought in 3 LBs and 3 CBs that are in the 1-2 range with 1 TE, and NO ONE ELSE in that bracket.

this rob guy is like the 22nd best DE in the draft, runs a 4.9 and may not be drafted at all.

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I would be very shocked if Darryl Tapp is around at 53. If he is, I hope the skins take him. Tapp is a baller and a hard working one at that. Still, I stand by [url=http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=11028]my draft predictions[/url].

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plackmeir would be a great 7th round pick. we need a kickoff guy and a punter. 53rd pick, with the tapp pick, we may be getting best position available. also, wynn and daniels are both old, this is what good teams do. they draft to replace a need that will be there in a year or 2.

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[quote=hooskins]Yeah I def think that this guy doesnt really know what he is saying. We are going to go LB or CB and that is obviously, I feel sorry for the people paying for this insider bullshit. It is quite obvious, this guy knows what the concerns are for some major bandwagon teams in the NFL, and the picks that he gave the Skins in this case, are the highest ranked players he has left over at our picks, and they have nothing to do with our needs. The free agents need thread that I posted from yahoo, seems to have a better idea of who and what we need. I am somewhat surprise bc usually yahoo sucks.[/quote]

Good thing I'm getting it for free

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at 53 there should be a lott better players than tapp around. I doubt seriously plack will be there at pick 250, but if he is, it'd be a great pickup.

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yes i got the memo lets see daniels had 8 whole sack and 4 came in one game against dallas. So lets see if my math is right that 4 whole sacks in 15 other games whooo that alot. Carter didnt do much better wouldnt be nice to have another pass rusher to give the other teams something to worry about. Because our pressure suck most of last year.

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welcome scc.while i agree about the pass rush last year,greg williams likes to generate his pass rush from all angles.i think the skins go linebacker here,and hopefully in the kid from miami.thatguy,you have an opinion on him as a player?(scc,dont take anything personal here,youre among friends)

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While I agree that DE depth is a good thing to have, I think that Daniels did a better job last year than his sack total alone implies. He stuffed the run, batted down a lot of passes, and still generated 8 sacks. You cannot just discount his 4 sacks against dallas. Most of the time a big sack guy gets lucky with his matchups a couple of times in the year to help his numbers. Daniels really played perfectly in Greg Williams system.

Oh yeah, and we added Carter (now returning to his DE position...)

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[quote=SPEAR CHUCKER CHIEF]yes i got the memo lets see daniels had 8 whole sack and 4 came in one game against dallas. So lets see if my math is right that 4 whole sacks in 15 other games whooo that alot. Carter didnt do much better wouldnt be nice to have another pass rusher to give the other teams something to worry about. Because our pressure suck most of last year.[/quote]

Is it just me, or is this screen name EXTREMELY offensive in a racial context?

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[quote=dmek25]welcome scc.while i agree about the pass rush last year,greg williams likes to generate his pass rush from all angles.i think the skins go linebacker here,and hopefully in the kid from miami.thatguy,you have an opinion on him as a player?(scc,dont take anything personal here,youre among friends)[/quote]

McIntosh? he's pretty good, but inconsitant. Not amazing in coverage either. I'd prefer alston at OLB, even though he's rated a bit lower. If a guy like demeco ryans falls though, he'd clearly be the best pick.


on tapp:
he may end up playing DT instead of DE cause then his speed and height wouldn't be huge negatives there... he'd have to spend a year bulking up though. At DE in the senior bowl (where he played every D snap due to MK being hurt) he did NOTHING. he lost ground chasing QBs and couldn't get past anyone. He has a good first step and a good motor, but i'm not sure that's enough by itself to generate huge sack numbers.

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[quote=SPEAR CHUCKER CHIEF]yes i got the memo lets see daniels had 8 whole sack and 4 came in one game against dallas. So lets see if my math is right that 4 whole sacks in 15 other games whooo that alot. Carter didnt do much better wouldnt be nice to have another pass rusher to give the other teams something to worry about. Because our pressure suck most of last year.[/quote]

Regarding Carter, you're looking at his numbers when he was used as a LB in San Fran. As a full time DE, I don't think there is anyone who doubts that he is a huge upgrade in our pass rush.

Regarding the rest of the mock, I usually just tune out after round 2. There is no way anybody can make a mock with any level of accuracy after two rounds. And I don't see any reason for us to go DE in round 2 unless every decent CB, LB, and OG are already gone.

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Seems like a lot of people don't actually know much about Tapp. He abused D'Brickashaw Ferguson through and through. Tapp is fast as hell and he is going to be a super star in the league.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Is it just me, or is this screen name EXTREMELY offensive in a racial context?[/QUOTE]

My first thought as well! Ought to change it. It has to be a young kid. Mods might be of some help. I changed mine a while back with their help.

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that sounds alot like someone we just let go

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[quote=saden1]Seems like a lot of people don't actually know much about Tapp. He abused D'Brickashaw Ferguson through and through. Tapp is fast as hell and he is going to be a super star in the league.[/quote]

then why isn't he a first rounder? when he played D'bF at the all star game he did ZERO to him. absolutely nothing. hardly what i'd call abuse.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]then why isn't he a first rounder? when he played D'bF at the all star game he did ZERO to him. absolutely nothing. hardly what i'd call abuse.[/QUOTE]

Why isn't he a first rounder? Why don't all first rounders become pro bowlers? Why are most of them considred a bust?

Yeah, I watched that game, how many minutes did Tapp get? Oh, and did you watch practices they had to prepare for the game? He abused him then, they even announced it during the game! I'm willing to bet that Tapp won't be available at 53.

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I don't think it would be a bad idea to stock up on D-linemen if it's in the later rounds of the draft.

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[quote=saden1]Why isn't he a first rounder? Why don't all first rounders become pro bowlers? Why are most of them considred a bust?

Yeah, I watched that game, how many minutes did Tapp get? Oh, and did you watch practices they had to prepare for the game? He abused him then, they even announced it during the game! I'm willing to bet that Tapp won't be available at 53.[/quote]

saying that most 1st rounders are considered busts is complete hyperbole, and if you compared the number of HoF and PB players from the 1st round, vs any other rounds you'd see that the guys doing the drafts and analysis are right far more often than they're wrong.

first, "fast as hell" from your last post - he's one of the slowest DEs in day one, a rocking 4.8 @ 250 pounds... mario williams has 50lbs and 1/10 on him. LBs bigger than him (260lbs) have 2/10ths on him.

I watched the ssenior bowl and practices, he didn't abuse anyone and whitehurst was able to gain ground on him while he tried to chase whitey down from behind. he had ALL game cause MK was injured and did nothing, even though he got twice the time. I don't remember a single announcement about him abusing Db'F, though Db did have a single slip up in the game, tapp wasn't the guy at the other end.

he ended the game with 2 assisted tackles and no other stats with double minutes. that's hardly impressive.

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since 2000:
our first rounders that have gone to pro-bowls - chris samuels, lavar, champ, sean taylor (alt)

including guys that made the PB on our rosters we didn't draft: marco coleman, springs (alt)

2nd rounders: stephen alexander

including those not drafted here: marcus washington

3rd rounders not drafted here: coles


not counting the alts, that 4 1sts, 2 2nds, and 1 3rd... seems the higher the round the higher the chance of Pro Bowls... all the 1st rounders also made multiple pro bowls. the 2nd and 3rd rounders made 1 each.

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But also the higher the round the higher the publicity. The higher the publicity the higher the chances of getting into the Pro Bowl.

I think we all know that the reality is that the Pro Bowl is a tough measure of true worth and success because so much of it is popularity, and not performance, based.

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[quote=TAFKAS]But also the higher the round the higher the publicity. The higher the publicity the higher the chances of getting into the Pro Bowl.

I think we all know that the reality is that the Pro Bowl is a tough measure of true worth and success because so much of it is popularity, and not performance, based.[/quote]

he brought it up, I just thought i'd point out his logic is a bit flawed if he thinks most 1st rounders are busts. If that were true why pay scouts or measure guys? why not just draw names out of a hat?

A truer measure is retention rate (average length of career in the NFL)... I'm sure you'll see a huge disparity there as well though.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]he brought it up, I just thought i'd point out his logic is a bit flawed if he thinks most 1st rounders are busts. If that were true why pay scouts or measure guys? why not just draw names out of a hat?

A truer measure is retention rate (average length of career in the NFL)... I'm sure you'll see a huge disparity there as well though.[/QUOTE]

I'm working on finding a like but ESPN did this segment on 1'st rounders couple of weeks ago. They basically said in the last 7 drafts only 28 first round players went to the pro bowl. Just because you get picked in the first round doesn't mean you are very good nor does it guarantee success in the next level.

I thought he was faster than 4.8 in the 40, guess I was wrong. Still, when the whistle blows I would rather he be on my side.

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[quote=saden1]I'm working on finding a like but ESPN did this segment on 1'st rounders couple of weeks ago. They basically said in the last 7 drafts only 28 first round players went to the pro bowl. Just because you get picked in the first round doesn't mean you are very good nor does it guarantee success in the next level.

I thought he was faster than 4.8 in the 40, guess I was wrong. Still, when the whistle blows I would rather he be on my side.[/quote]

that's incomplete information though... how many 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders went during that time? how many pro bowlers were making those pro bowls that were 1st, 2nd, etc rounders rafted further back than that?

how many were repeat pro bowlers? how many TOTAL pro bowl appearances belong to those 28 1st rounders (and the 1st rounder making appearances before them)? You can't really count the last two drafts either cause it takes a while for some guys to ramp up. I'm sure taylor will make a few, but he hasn't yet.

champ has 5, lavar 3... single players can eat up a lot of those slots, and more 1st rounders repeat... then you have guys like manning, moss, faneca, etc that are first rounder from 8+ years ago still making pro bowls.

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[B]Usually[/B] players in the bottom part of the 1st round are expected to be solid starters (QB's and RB's don't have this luxury WR's can but not always). Last years examples are guys like Travis Johnson, Alex Spencer, Luis Castilo, Marlin Jackson. Alex Barron, Thomas Davis, Jamal Brown. The teams that drafted them don't expect these guys to be pro bowlers but they do expect them to be dependable starters that they feel comfortable with.

As That Guy said before, the retention rate is a better measure of 1st round success. However if you take a player in the Top 10 and their not being considered for the Pro Bowl year after year you got yourself a bust (For example if Jon Jansen had been a top 10 pick we wouldn't be calling him a bust)

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[quote=Schneed10]Is it just me, or is this screen name EXTREMELY offensive in a racial context?[/quote]

Its not just you, man... Are there any terms of service or anything? I dont mean to get touchy, but one of the things I love about the Warpath is that everyone is cool and respectful, without any of the angry or offensive flames that populate so many other boards (cough, CraigsList, cough cough).

Not sure if the mods are able to do anything about it, but I vote for keeping it light, friendly and Skins-oriented! (unlike my post)

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It is offensive and we've notified him via PM. We'll give him the initial opportunity to choose a new screen name.

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[QUOTE=Big C]plackmeir would be a great 7th round pick. we need a kickoff guy and a punter. 53rd pick, with the tapp pick, we may be getting best position available. also, wynn and daniels are both old, this is what good teams do. they draft to replace [B]a need that will be there in a year or 2.[/B][/QUOTE]
I hate to say it, but without another CBA extention, those needs will be everywhere.

Hopefully, we have two more Lombardi trophies by then. 5RINGS won't like that tho.

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[QUOTE=SPEAR CHUCKER CHIEF]yes i got the memo lets see daniels had 8 whole sack and 4 came in one game against dallas. So lets see if my math is right that 4 whole sacks in 15 other games whooo that alot. Carter didnt do much better wouldnt be nice to have another pass rusher to give the other teams something to worry about. Because our pressure suck most of last year.[/QUOTE]

First of all, after having read my earlier post, I feel the need to apologize, you couldn't really get that I was making a joke, so that's my fault. Yeah, I see where you're coming from, however I think that OLB is a more glaring problem than DE right now. I agree that Daniels isn't that good, but I think he's capable.

Also, Carter was playing OLB last year. When he was playing defensive end he had a 12 sack season. That's not a bad year. I wouldn't mind 12 sacks.

And finally, the last point I'm going to make on this subject. I think that we have already spent on a relatively unproven DE, so I'd rather see how that pans out than draft another and hope that they both live up to their potential. I think the Skins should concern themselves with picking a starter.

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I also really don't know what the knock on Daniels is. He had a GREAT season, batting numerous passes and pressuring the QB if NOT getting to him.

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[quote=saden1]I'm working on finding a like but ESPN did this segment on 1'st rounders couple of weeks ago. They basically said in the last 7 drafts only 28 first round players went to the pro bowl. Just because you get picked in the first round doesn't mean you are very good nor does it guarantee success in the next level.

I thought he was faster than 4.8 in the 40, guess I was wrong. Still, when the whistle blows I would rather he be on my side.[/quote]You said just because you get picked in the first round does not mean you are very good. Any player that is drafted in the first day has done alot to get there and they are all good. Now, if they can step up to the next level is always to be seen. I just feel we do not give guys credit for just getting on the field and even having a chance to make a team. Do you realize how many kids start in junior high then high school then college and the pool just keeps getting smaller until they reach the draft. I know all of you know this I just thought we should remember all of the accomplishments this kids have made just to get here . Hopefully the skins can pick the best from among them with the picks we have and the positions we need to fill.

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I doubt we draft a corner at 53 , we have 3 proven corners and two young kids we have been developing < Jimoh and Patterson > . Maybe in the 5thrd we go corner . Lb , if D. Ryans falls to 53 , we probably take him , the other Lb who may drop to us is Mcintosh ,, he has a history of back and shoulder inj's ,,, that is too riscky at 53 . If Tapp or any DL man who can pass rush is at 53 , take him ,,, nobody wins a super bowl without a strong pass rush !

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The reason i would love to have another pass rusher is that helps with the pass coverage and i'm not saying daniels is bad but he going over 30 so is everyone else on the dline exceept griffith. Hey i love to have the backer from miami but look at the giants they drafted that kid who had 12 sacks in the first round 3 yrs ago and last year drafted tuck. Our line is good at run stuffing but not great at pass rushing,williams does a great job of getting production from the backers like washington and hopefully clemons. It seems to me the skins never address the need on the dline unless we go thruogh fa. And i still havent gotten over stubblefield n big daddy. Heck we still might need another corner, springs over 30, rogers is good with that kid from jacksonville, but would like to have another corner besides jomo.

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jimoh and patterson will never be starters. they're street scrubs.