Texans Reach Contract Agreement with Williams, will pick him No. 1
 

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Wow... it all comes down to contract figures... Williams is solid, but this may come back to haunt the Texans.

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no fricking way,,, ohhhhhhh thats a major blow,, i was sure they were gettin bush,, wow,,this should deff make things more interesting

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this probably puts bush in the NFC... brees, bush, and duece... pretty scary.

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I would think that the Saints might try to trade out of this pick. They've backed McAllister through a decent amount of turbulance before, and since other teams aren't trading for the #1 overall selection, the price should be a little easier to stomach. If anything, I could see the Jets jumping up a couple of spots, as they could use a RB with C-Mart winding down. I guess it all depends on how serious they feel their need for a QB is, and if the Saints would even consider trading out of the #2 spot.

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[QUOTE=WestCoastSkinsFan]I would think that the Saints might try to trade out of this pick. They've backed McAllister through a decent amount of turbulance before, and since other teams aren't trading for the #1 overall selection, the price should be a little easier to stomach. If anything, I could see the Jets jumping up a couple of spots, as they could use a RB with C-Mart winding down. I guess it all depends on how serious they feel their need for a QB is, and if the Saints would even consider trading out of the #2 spot.[/QUOTE]

the jets would probably give up the 4, 29, 35 plus other considerations for the pick. They may even have to use Vilma as a trade bait.

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saints need D'Br F more anyways... this does change the draft, but honestly, th texans have a good RB, a PB return guy and a true #1 WR. he would have made a good #2 WR, but williams helps them more. 3-4 or 4-3, he's a beast in either scheme.

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[quote=itvnetop]the jets would probably give up the 4, 29, 35 plus other considerations for the pick. They may even have to use Vilma as a trade bait.[/quote]

why? bush without an oline or QB is a bit pointless, especially at the price of 3 starters. Saints might not take him either anyways, and the titans are going QB. Vilma will never be trade bait, his cap hit is too high to follow through with that. there cap situation is bad enough already.

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I just can't believe anyone but Bush at #1...

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This probably screws up Kiper's daggone top 10.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]why? bush without an oline or QB is a bit pointless, especially at the price of 3 starters. Saints might not take him either anyways, and the titans are going QB. Vilma will never be trade bait, his cap hit is too high to follow through with that. there cap situation is bad enough already.[/QUOTE]

we're talking about a new york professional sports franchise... marketing bush as a jet means millions to these guys. if i were a gambling man, i'd say the jets are extremely interested.

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think its a bad move by the texans. he was projected mid first round, or late top ten earlier, then workouts were good. dont think the workouts could move him up to #1 legitimately, but thats the texans decision. i think its a bad move. they needed to help carr out, and that isnt going to help him out. if anyone besides bush it should have been d'brickishaw...

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[URL="http://www.texanstalk.com/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1146270608;start=all"]Texans are in meltdown mode[/URL]

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Last time a defensive end was taken #1, it turned out to be a bad move. Then again, i think Mario Williams is way better than Courtney Brown. Still, I think the Saints take Bush, then trade him. They don't need a running back, when Deuce is healthy, he is one of the best.

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mort reports the titans really want bush too...

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It makes some sense. They already have D. Davis in the backfield and while he's no Reggie Bush, he's a pretty good back. They just better pray Mario Williams is at least as good as Julius Peppers and Reggie Bush isn't as good as his billing.

I don't agree with the move at all, but I can at least come up with some arguments in favor of this move. It's probably boneheaded, but only time will tell.

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I have heard numerous scouts who are outside of NFL teams mention that they think Williams is way overrated. In fact two of them when sent to scout the wolfpack for the respective orgs said had they not explicitly known to watch him they would not have noticed him much at all.

This is a terrible mistake.

How do you pass on a guy who is considered one of the best prospects to come into the draft in years?

Stupidity.

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I retract my previous comments. I just read they paid Williams $54 million a year for 6 years! A $9 million per year end (even if it is backloaded)?!?!?! He'd better be the next Reggie White at that kind of money.

Crazy, absolutely crazy.

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Am I the only one that things reggie Bush is a part-time player at best in the NFL? I guess Ill have to wait and see, but I question if hes as great as everyone thinks.

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i think the fear of pulling off a sam bowie mistake would make any texan fan crazy right now...

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This is f*ckin ridiculous. Mario Williams? How does having a horrible O Line translate into selecting a DE?! If they're not taking Bush, it should be Ferguson. This doesn't make any sense to me...

Mario Williams has the potential to be the 06 version of Sam Bowie.

I hope not, for his sake, and I realize Reggie may not be the amazing back he was at USC, but I can't pass him up if I'm Houston.

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[quote=Daseal]Am I the only one that things reggie Bush is a part-time player at best in the NFL? I guess Ill have to wait and see, but I question if hes as great as everyone thinks.[/quote]

I argee with you, he isnt going to be as amazing as he was in college, plus I think the Texans really need a defensive player, rather than another back. In my eyes this does make sense. Now I dont know if they tried to trade down, because that may have been the right thing to do in this case, so they still get Williams, and something more out of it.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Am I the only one that things reggie Bush is a part-time player at best in the NFL? I guess Ill have to wait and see, but I question if hes as great as everyone thinks.[/QUOTE]
The guy is the real deal. I don't usually get jacked up about guys but after seeing play 5 or 6 times it was obvious he was the best player on the field by far. The guy is a pro-bowler from day one even on a bad team.

The luckiest team in history? New Orleans Saints. About time something good happened to that place. Who knew they'd end up with the de facto first pick because Houston has signed up to make another mistake with their first pick. Wow. Just wow.

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[QUOTE=hooskins]I argee with you, he isnt going to be as amazing as he was in college, plus I think the Texans really need a defensive player, rather than another back. In my eyes this does make sense. Now I dont know if they tried to trade down, because that may have been the right thing to do in this case, so they still get Williams, and something more out of it.[/QUOTE]
Then they should have traded down and gotten a few picks. Seriously. Do you all think Williams is going to be a more valuable pro than Bush?

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I don't think Reggie Bush is a part time back. Is he big? No. Will L. White be playing beside him? No. But, he's still a special player who should and will get his fair share of carries.

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i think what some people are missing is that whoever drafts bush isn't drafting him to be an every down running back for a running system (like an eddie george)... coordinators see what he did at SC- where there were many weapons to distribute the rock. it's his presence on the field that makes this pick so unique... he can catch the ball out of the backfield or split out wide like faulk. that is where his value lies- his perceived threat on offense. And that's enough to help out the entire offensive unit- tight ends, receivers, qb...

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no williams no way,, this is bad,, i still cant belive it :confused-,, i just dont get it,,, i know it has nothing to do with the house thats for sure,, is it because of how much money he wanted ?
by the way what time does the draft start

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our mock draft is wrong already

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha]I don't think Reggie Bush is a part time back. Is he big? No. Will L. White be playing beside him? No. But, he's still a special player who should and will get his fair share of carries.[/quote]

I still really do not feel he is going to be the next Barry Sanders.

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Bush is so overrated, hes just fast...i cant believe some people could compare him to barry sanders

idk if mario williams was worth the number one pick but he will help their team more than bush...D'brickashaw would have been the best pick for them

and domanick davis is a great running back...his stats arent [I]that[/I] great, but he's had a few injuries and he's been running behind the worst o-line in the league

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[quote=FRPLG]Then they should have traded down and gotten a few picks. Seriously. Do you all think Williams is going to be a more valuable pro than Bush?[/quote]

I think that Bush is more valuable, but they really do not need improvement in that position. I think they OL or Defensive help. Or maybe they should have drafted Bush and then traded. In defense to the Texans, I am sure they tried to trade down, but they did not get what they were looking for, I mean they are not stupid. Williams has been projected to go in the top five other drafts, but this draft pool is especially talented.

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[QUOTE=steveo395]Bush is so overrated, hes just fast...i cant believe some people could compare him to barry sanders
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yeah, the only reason he's hyped is b/c of his speed... nothing to do with his ability to cut on a dime at full speed, make people miss, change direction at will, or threat to take it to the house whenever he touches the ball. /sarcasm

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[quote=steveo395]Bush is so overrated, hes just fast...i cant believe some people could compare him to barry sanders

idk if mario williams was worth the number one pick but he will help their team more than bush...D'brickashaw would have been the best pick for them

and domanick davis is a great running back...his stats arent [I]that[/I] great, but he's had a few injuries and he's been running behind the worst o-line in the league[/quote]

I concur, I think that not drafting Bush is understandable in the Texans case, but maybe they should have picked my main man D-Brick, or found some kind of way to trade down.

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haha i agree mel kiper is probley crapping his daggone pants, at first I was a little upset that the texans would do something like that, but after realizing that not one man can make your team no matter how good he is, and that the texans biggest need wasent at rb,and they had a very capable punt returner, i believe it was a wise decision for them. Now with that said, and then there was reggie. I am now wondering if the saint have the cap room for him on there roster with the number 2 pick, maybe? But would constrict them to do much more, draft wise. Some might say the jets have a chance and maybe they do, but I see the packers with farve one last time behind center and the packers way under salary cap, to make an offer to attain the most dynamic player in recent years.

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[quote=itvnetop]yeah, the only reason he's hyped is b/c of his speed... nothing to do with his ability to cut on a dime at full speed, make people miss, change direction at will, or threat to take it to the house whenever he touches the ball. /sarcasm[/quote]

I agree Bush is not particularily overrated, but you have to understand that he did so well in an almost perfect USC team. Their pass was soo effective and they had an amazing OL. That being said, I still think Bush will be good in the NFL. The next Barry Sanders? No.

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[quote=itvnetop]yeah, the only reason he's hyped is b/c of his speed... nothing to do with his ability to cut on a dime at full speed, make people miss, change direction at will, or threat to take it to the house whenever he touches the ball. /sarcasm[/quote]
you do realize that his o-line was incredible and he was playing against college players right?

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[QUOTE=steveo395]you do realize that his o-line was incredible and he was playing against college players right?[/QUOTE]

considering i'm a trojan, i think i do know about our o-line last year. and obviously if you know about reggie more than me, you would have mentioned that many of his highlight reels had nothing to do with his O-line last season- check punt return vs. oregon, check dime-stop down the field against fresno state, etc etc...

why is it that other college players are never held to the same standards of playing against other college players, but the once-in-a-generation ones get the third degree? what has mario williams done that reggie bush hasn't?

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[quote=itvnetop]considering i'm a trojan, i think i do know about our o-line last year. and obviously if you know about reggie more than me, you would have mentioned that many of his highlight reels had nothing to do with his O-line last season- check punt return vs. oregon, check [B]dime-stop down the field against fresno state[/B], etc etc...

why is it that other college players are never held to the same standards of playing against other college players, but the once-in-a-generation ones get the third degree? what has mario williams done that reggie bush hasn't?[/quote]
did u see the amazing blocking so he could get downfield

and u cant compare accomplishments of 2 completely different positions


and how bout the fact that the texans dont need a running back

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We can argue about Bush and his worth, or Williams and his worth all day long, but I think there's one simple answer to this whole debate.

The Houston Texans made this call - clearly it's a bad one. Houston is a losing organization. Mismanged, poorly coached, in disarray. No amount of star players is going to fix that trainwreck of a "football team."

I'd say Reggie Bush ought to count his blessings. Two years from now no one will know or care who went first in the 2006 draft, and $2 million is chump change in this league.

Maybe Bush will have a chance at joining a team with a future, rather than wasting the first 5 years of his career with a team destined for mediocrity.

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ok... i don't think there's any more reason to waste time trying to defend bush... it's obvious that nothing's going to change some people's perception that he's not all that, no matter what. and there's probably nothing that's going to change the perception of some of us that he is all that... including not just fans, but texans fans (who are about to jump off bridges now) and about six gms that have made calls to the saints re: trade proposals right now. yeah, the "average fast running back" really garners that type of interest from professional talent evaluators.