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So far all the grades coming in our draft outside the organazation are a big fat F, basically our draft is being called a joke, starting with big time Rocky, a less than impressive LB who we again try to make look like a draft day steal by once again giving up far to much for an average player, it seems we are starting to form a pattern when it comes to the draft, target a player who's a projected later rd pick and give up way to much to draft him earlier. In so doing making it look as if we have some special insight that others overlooked.

I don't know what we would have done if a team drafted him before he reached 53, what a big time loss that would have been.:banghead:

Although he is from miami I guess that automatically means he's great.:doh:

My prediction, good old Rocky will not outplay either Clemons or Holdmen, and we will be wondering when the rest of the draft picks are going to be ready 2 years from now, that's if they can crack the practice squad which is where the entire draft is headed.

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Not to worry. There's a new fiesta in the making...

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Are these the same................."experts" that had us at 4-12 last season?

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over and over i have to tell you guys that coach gibbs isnt in the hall of fame for nothing:)

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I have a hard time gettin' hold of that one!

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[QUOTE=Hog1]Are these the same................."experts" that had us at 4-12 last season?[/QUOTE]
:thumb: This is how i take these so called experts-:Flush:

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Kiper gave us a "C."

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Kiper also said that Rocky should start this year.

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I agree, it seems if it fits peoples personal opinions on the site these people who evaluate the draft or write these columns are wonderful and what they write or evaluate is to live and die by, but for heaven sake as soon as they write about the Redskins being bad or a player you have a great interest in being dogged these writers suck Redskins haters. I agree with everyone that most of the time the writers have no earthly idea any good insight into the draft, the Redskins, etc.... It is funny even myself like yesterday searched and searched for someone to say something good about Rocky McIntosh because I did not know much about him and if it was good that writer knows what he is talking about and others who didn't like the pick use the other writers who say the pick and the draft sucked for the skins, some sites said good others said bad. I think we have proven ourselves time and time that we do not know more than this organization when evaluating talent. Of course they are going to miss on some, all teams do, but we have had some good pick ups to this team via FA and draft. I don't care if you say they can't pick players in the late rounds of the draft their picks got us to the playoffs and this years FA and draft filled every hole we had on the team so to me it was successful off season. Draft grades mean squat. Reggie Bush even as good as he is could be a bust in the NFL with injuries, or just being on a bad Saints team not in the right situation, anything can happen.

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It does seem like a high price to pay. Why did we have to give up 2 second-round picks in addition to the sixth-rounder (which we got from the Jets anyway)? I hope it works out.

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I knew we would go after a LB with our 2nd rounder, and not surprised at all that we had to move up to get him. What I am a little suprised at is we drafted so many defensive players. We still have no depth at O-line. I thought we may address those needs, but then again how many lineman would actually make the team drafted between the 5th and 7th rounds. Our draft grades from year to year aren't always going to be totally fair either. We throw draft picks away like they are deceased. So, we dont have many picks to get quality players. McIntosh was a quality pick. Smart dude, with sure tackel ability. I do think he is going to push our OLBs that are currently on the roster. Playing for Miami does make a difference, no matter who believes it or not. This school churns out more NFL players than most. Again, I dont put so much into what the experts give us as far as a grade, besides, this isn't school its the NFL draft. The only thing, I feel, that can be graded are how the player performs during or after a season. I dont care how hyped up a guy is coming out of school, that don't mean SH*T in the NFL>

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We traded up a few years ago for some little known TE named Chris Cooley and he worked out ok.

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I wouldn't be too concerned about the "experts". Let it all work itself out on the field. The coaching staff was happy with what they had prior to the draft and any additions were a plus. This team is young and is set up for a run!

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If we come out of this draft with a starter in McIntosh and some depth with a couple of the other picks, I'm happy. Let's face it, chances are a couple of these guys won't make the team. Maybe there's a hidden gem amongst the later round picks, maybe not.

Either way, I really like McIntosh and he seems like your typical GW linebacker.

It's no secret the Skins don't build through the draft, so naturally the "experts" are going to give the Skins a crappy draft grade, and it's probably deserved unless those later round picks pan out.

All draft grades at this point are so subjective anyway. You really can't fairly judge a draft until 2-3 years down the line.

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If you cannot rust one of the 5 greatest coaches in NFL history and THE greatest coaching staff EVER assembled...who are you going to trust...a bunch of sports writters?

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[quote=TrustinGibbs]If you cannot rust one of the 5 greatest coaches in NFL history and THE greatest coaching staff EVER assembled...who are you going to trust...a bunch of sports writters?[/quote]

I agree; I totally trust Gibbs. It's Vinny who makes me a little nervous.

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I did not follow the NFL Draft quite as closely this year. I felt that our needs were met by the addition of Al Saunders, and of course the FAs we signed.
Lloyd was also a worthy pick-up, and will make our receiving corps extremely versitile, attacking from all sides!

I printed two mock drafts, and just left them on my desk. Both had multiple rounds, and both had Rocky McIntosh to the Redskins at 53. It could be argued that we could have gotten him without moving up, but, there was this run on LBs, and the Redskins FO already had a plan in place in case there was just such a scenario. So, moving up 18 spots was a wash.

To my amazement, I also found our first reported FA Spencer Havner, ILB from UCLA there in the Fourth round of one of the Mocks!


Now, the two Mocks could have changed at the last minute, just before the draft, but I printed last Wednesday. Here are the links:

[url]http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com/2006Draft.html[/url]

[url]http://walterfootball.com/draft2006.php[/url]

In addition, I quote CNYSKINFAN from HailRedskins.com:

"Whether we selected him at #53 or #35 our next pick would have been a 5th rounder.

Again here is the draft breakdown vs. NFLdraftblitz.com's value chart


Quote:
Pick #35 550 points
Pick #53 370 points

That is a difference of 180 points

If you value next year's second as a third at the same position you are picking this year that is pick #85 which equals 165 points

This year's 6th (189) is 16.8 points

We gave up a total of 551.8 draft value points for a pick worth 550 draft value points. That is about as even as you can get and we got a player at a need position for us that can start right away.



McIntosh was listed in the top 40 players by many scouts and with Thomas Howard going at #38, a player rated lower then McIntosh, Rocky would have been gone at #53, and probably Howard as well as there is a big drop off in talent at LBer after him.

This was a great pick at a position of great need and a great trade to get him."


Major Props to CNYSKINSFAN, who I've met, and whose opinions I respect.

So, bottom line, we got the guy targeted, at a decent price. And we got some other FB players from what I've read here. Needs were met with FA. Spots were filled with the NFL Draft.


For those who put stock in the "NFL Draft Experts", and those who provide you Post-Draft Grades, you have to balance that with the players HOF Coach Gibbs targets.


In addition, you must add J. Campbell, and B. Lloyd into the mix because of what we gave up to get each of them. So, both should be part of our Draft grade.

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The guys drafted all seem to be of sound character and solid students of the game. Gibbs has always trusted in getting the most out of his hardest-working players.

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I think we had a solid draft. If we get one starter and two guys make the practice squad, then I will be happy. Maybe Havner will make the team also. Always remember Joe Jacoby the free agent Pro-Bowler.

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[quote=Twilbert07]I agree; I totally trust Gibbs. It's Vinny who makes me a little nervous.[/quote]

I dont think Vinny does much of anything without Gibbs and in this case Williams stamp of approval. Gibbs and CO. make the decisions, Snyder writes the checks and Cerrato is along for the ride. Just my opinion though.

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Will any of it even matter if the Lombardi trophy is sitting in Redskin Park next January?

Remember back when the Colts landed the two biggest prizes in the draft? Steve Emtman and Quentin Coryatt? (The number 1 and 2 overall picks)

That was the year Washington "blew it" by taking Bobby Wilson in the first round (a bust), Ricky Ervins in the second (a 3rd down back) and no one else anyone will remember except Keenan McCardell in the 12th (who we immediately got rid of). Even with such a crap draft, they went 14-2 and won the Super Bowl.

Who cares about the draft grades? Let Gibbs take the players he wants and "coach em up". I say we start a write-in campaign to force Kornheiser to get that Bandwagon out of mothballs.

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Well who woulda thunk it, offiss being pessimistic. :)

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I'll give us a B-. I'm with the consensus that we paid too much for Rocky, BUT remember that we might not have had ANY LB that we wanted available if we would have waited longer, so I do agree with it.

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[quote=dmek25]over and over i have to tell you guys that coach gibbs isnt in the hall of fame for nothing:)[/quote]


that makes two of us doesn,t it.

those experts really have the redskins peged but i say who cares.
win the super bowl they all will find a closet to hide in.

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I am down with all our picks, but I gotta' say, is anyone else worried about the picks that the rest of the NFC East made? I think that each team got some GREAT players, especially the Eagles.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection]I am down with all our picks, but I gotta' say, is anyone else worried about the picks that the rest of the NFC East made? I think that each team got some GREAT players, especially the Eagles.[/quote]

Eagles getting both Bunkley and Winston Justice was a downright steal, that's very scary. I wouldn't have blinked if Justice went to them at the 14th pick. But getting him at 39 is huge. That Jean-Gilles guy looks pretty good too, he's huge. Could solidify that interior blocking which would help them a ton. Running between the tackles is the team's biggest weakness, and if they can get that going they become an extremely dangerous offense. Bloom gives them a serious return threat too.

Giants getting S Moss in the 2nd round was a nice bargain. I hope Sean Taylor doesn't feel bad about decapitating Santana's little brother.

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That's how the offseason goes. We pillage and plunder in free agency and it looks like we gained on everyone in the division. But then the Eagles have their draft, and they always restock big time. And all of a sudden, they look pretty scary again.

It's a real tough division. I still like our chances, but I can see us going 3-3 in the division, 10-6 overall, making the playoffs, and then killing any non-NFC East team in the playoffs.

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Yeah, if those offensive linemen do ANYTHING close to how they're projected, they'll have a very dominant offensive line. At least we can hope that Griffin's experience will help him PWN a few of the rookies if they start.

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Also, just wanted to say that if you end up with a starter come out of the 5th, 6th, or 7th round, then you have to view that as a bonus. Your draft is not a failure if you don't end up with any starters from those rounds. Nobody can ever [B]expect[/B] starters to come from those rounds. It's just icing on the cake.

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[quote=Schneed10]I hope Sean Taylor doesn't feel bad about decapitating Santana's little brother.[/quote]

I wonder how Santana would react. They seem like close brothers and with that - blood might be thicker than water.

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True, even though I'd hope that Santana understands that it's still the game you play and Sean isn't going to hit you any lighter just because you're related to a teammate.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy]Kiper also said that Rocky should start this year.[/quote]He knows Greg Williams. Remember, "Whever you are listed on the depth chart, if you don't consider yourself a starter...".

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The more time goes by, the more I like McIntosh. The only thing, I would be worried about is keeping him healthy, which the redskins have a little control over.

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draft grades are crap because I remember the lions last 2 years had A's and look where their at

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Draft grades tend not to look at the whole picture. Some say we had no 3rd round pick. I say we used that pick to get Brandon Lloyd. Lloyd is only 24, he's locked in long-term here and he's a proven NFL receiver who can contribute right away. But when people grade the draft they don't count Brandon Lloyd. Just like they say we had no first round pick, but in fact our first rounder has been practicing and studying game film with the Redskins for a year now.

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[quote=warriorzpath]The more time goes by, the more I like McIntosh. The only thing, I would be worried about is keeping him healthy, which the redskins have a little control over.[/quote]There's no guarantee anybody won't get hurt.

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[quote=EXoffender]There's no guarantee anybody won't get hurt.[/quote]

Yup, I agree.

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Initially I liked the McIntosh pick. Then I didn't like it after I heard we traded a 2nd and a 6th to move up. Now, I think I need to wait to evaluate it until after we see him on the field. Yes, that makes me a "flip-flopper."

As for the whole draft. I'd give us a C- as a function of us not having many picks. I don't see how we could have a high grade without a 1st, 3rd, or 4th rounder.

I think our offseason free agent acquisitions are much more meaningful than the draft and I think we all knew that before Saturday.

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[QUOTE=EXoffender]There's no guarantee anybody won't get hurt.[/QUOTE]

Chuck Norris wouldn't get hurt...because he's white! HA! I think I'm just going to make a mockery of ST21 at every turn here.

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Good--put a chip on the shoulder of our rookies, our coaches, etc.

As a skins fan, you have to just foget about the national media. Whatever. Look, the draft is this crazy wild talking-head-fest that goes on for months on TV and the internet. But ANY look back at the realtionship between predicted success and actual success of these guys will show that the experts are at close to chance.

A CHICKEN PECKING AT A COMPUTER COULD PREDICT AS WELL AS THE SO-CALLED EXPERTS. No, I don't have the stats to back this up, but it is a hunch. Why get worried about it?

(Rant over...;))