Tyler Jones in...so what does it mean for Hall?
 

[B]Redskins | Jones to join team at offseason workouts Tuesday; will start bid for job[/B]
Fri, 19 May 2006 19:34:05 -0700
Jason La Canfora, of the Washington Post, reports [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl"]Washington Redskins[/URL] PK [URL="http://www.kffl.com/player/12166/nfl"]Tyler Jones[/URL], now kicking in [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/77/nfl"]NFL[/URL] Europe, is expected to join the [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl"]Redskins[/URL] for their offseason workouts Tuesday, May 23. Although the odds of making the team appear slim, Jones is eager for a chance to push PK [URL="http://www.kffl.com/player/1349/nfl"]John Hall[/URL] for the starting job. "I had a pretty good season and I was able to get a lot of good work in and good experience under my belt," Jones said from Amsterdam. Jones has connected on 9 of 12 field goals in [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/77/nfl"]NFL[/URL] Europe and has been perfect on extra points. Jones has excelled on kickoffs, helping Hamburg to have the second-best kickoff coverage in [URL="http://www.kffl.com/team/77/nfl"]NFL[/URL] Europe. Kickoffs are of particular importance to the Redskins; head coach [URL="http://www.kffl.com/player/9143/nfl"]Joe Gibbs[/URL] has said it is unlikely Hall will handle those duties this season.



Probably nothing, but Hall hasn't been impressive since he got here. I'm gonna set the odds of Jones winning the job at 4-1. Thoughts?

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Yea Hall was a highly regarded kicker when he came here but totally fell apart with the quad injuries. Tyler Jones should have a legit shot at the roster because john hall flat out can't do the job.

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if Hall doesn't handle kickoff duties this year then someone else will get cut so we can have two active kickers.....thats crap

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[QUOTE=JankySpanky80]if Hall doesn't handle kickoff duties this year then someone else will get cut so we can have two active kickers.....thats crap[/QUOTE]
Unless the punter handles it, as happens on some other teams.

Hall hasn't had complete seasons his past two years, but he has kicked accurately when asked to do so. He's 14-14 inside 40 yards. The problem is his salary cap figure (just under $2 million a year for the next two) and his durability don't match up.

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This is the product of having a decent team again. People are forgetting what it is like to actually have BAD players. Hall hasn't been terrible. He has been slightly above average. Anyone care to recall what our kickers were like before Hall? Yeah they sucked hard. I doubt this guy is anything but fodder/maybe kickoff specialist.

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if jones does anything at training camp,he will replace hall on the roster strictly because of money.hall is a good pro kicker that just cant stay healthy

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]This is the product of having a decent team again. People are forgetting what it is like to actually have BAD players. Hall hasn't been terrible. He has been slightly above average. Anyone care to recall what our kickers were like before Hall? Yeah they sucked hard. I doubt this guy is anything but fodder/maybe kickoff specialist.[/QUOTE]


Ackers????

Hall was overated when we signed him, he had a big leg but wasen't a model of consistancy or clutch kicking, now he can't stay on the field.

As far as I am concerned if a kicker can't keep his legs in proper shape to perform then dump him, time to give someone else a shot early, it's better than having to go to him late considering Halls past injury problems and the fact that he can't kick off anymore.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Ackers????

Hall was overated when we signed him, he had a big leg but wasen't a model of consistancy or clutch kicking, now he can't stay on the field.

As far as I am concerned if a kicker can't keep his legs in proper shape to perform then dump him, time to give someone else a shot early, it's better than having to go to him late considering Halls past injury problems and the fact that he can't kick off anymore.[/QUOTE]
Since Lohmiller, Hall is the best kicker we have had. Ackers obviously wasn't as good as he is now since we obviously didn't keep him. Of course that was a big mistake but every other kicker since Lohmiller(oh about 35 of 'em) has sucked. Hell we have lost probably 16 games because of kicking in the last 15 years. And I do think it is time to move on from Hall. I simply don't like people acting like he is/has been terrible. Just look at what we have had. We have a lot of people calling out guys on our team lately around here that are far better players than we have had in years. People throwing Rabach under the bus is a prime example. First way are people on him? and second Tell who we have had who was better recently.

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I honestly think we are better off holding two kickers on the roster and having Hall handle exclusivley kickoff or feild goal duties. The only reason I mention him handling only kickoffs, is because he is a very "tough guy" for a kicker and made a big play for us at Seattle by throwing around his body.

I hope Jones can either push hall, or overtake the feild goal duties, as that is somthing I'd like to see improved this year.

Honestly, outside of his feild goals against the Jets in 03' and at Tampa Bay last season, he really hasent made any "clutch" winning kicks for us. Hell Novack came in and nailed a 37 yrd kick vs Seattle to send us home. I think it's a position we can improve.

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[quote=FRPLG]This is the product of having a decent team again. People are forgetting what it is like to actually have BAD players. Hall hasn't been terrible. He has been slightly above average. Anyone care to recall what our kickers were like before Hall? Yeah they sucked hard. I doubt this guy is anything but fodder/maybe kickoff specialist.[/quote] i say amen to that brother our kickers couldnt hit the broadside of a barn door back then

Re: Tyler Jones in...so what does it mean for Hall?
 

whummel welcome!

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Hall's ability to stay healthly is the only concern.

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jones has nearly no shot at replacing hall as scary as that sounds.

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The only thing that gets my attention is the fact that the guy can kick off well. I hate seeing kickoffs constantly get fielded from the 15 yard line.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz]The only thing that gets my attention is the fact that the guy can kick off well. I hate seeing kickoffs constantly get fielded from the 15 yard line.[/quote]

Kickoffs have been a big problem. Hall cannot get the ball to the endzone. That puts a lot of pressure on the coverage team when the opponents start the runback on the 15 yardline everytime. Hall has been a decent placekicker, but his kickoffs SUCK.

Re: Tyler Jones in...so what does it mean for Hall?
 

To address the question this thread asks... what does this mean for Hall??

He now has someone to hang out with and eat hotdogs with in camp??

That's about it.

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Honestly, it puts less pressure. Danny Smith kept preaching last year to get the kicks high so the coverage team could get there.

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Some of these replies are insane. Hall only for kickoffs? WTF? He can't kick the ball tho the god damn 15 yard line on a kickoff. John Hall is a good kicker, and seems to only hurt himself ON KICKOFFS. Not to mention cutting him this year will cost about as much as keeping him because of accelerated signing bonuses. Hall is a good field goal kicker, the best since Lohmiller, and there is no reason to cut him. CUT DEREK FROST, sign this Aussie to handle punts and kickoffs, and we will see a significant improvement in special teams this year. 9-12 in NFL Europe just doesnt impress me enough to warrant cutting a vet who's been with the team for 4(?) years.

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I think the Skins should hold a public tryout for the job. What's to lose? Of course, we'd want people who have actually BEEN a placekicker (or soccer player) but we do need someone to replace Hall.

He can come to the tryouts too, if he can fairly win the job, good for him...but he hasn't been getting the job done.

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I was upset when we didn't go after Vinatieri ( Don't know how to spell his name ), I felt that one of the positions we NEEDED to upgrade/solidify was kicker. I thought the Skins failed in that area but I just chalked that up to the loyalty of Joe Gibbs.

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We do not need to replace Hall with any unproven player in the NFL. Hall joined the Skins in 2003 and had 11 touch backs that year. So when he is healthy he can kick off. Heres his stats for the past 3 years and I know that the total numbers are low because of injuries but just take a look at them.

29 of 31 within 40 yards the two missed where between 30 to 40

12 of 18 from 40 to 50

4 of 9 over 50 yards

The guy is almost 100% within fourty yards and that is big for a team to have and he is 70% from 40 to 50. Alot of teams would love to have a kicker that clutch. I will admit his injuries worry me but from what I've heard they think that they have found his problem.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life]I was upset when we didn't go after Vinatieri ( Don't know how to spell his name ), I felt that one of the positions we NEEDED to upgrade/solidify was kicker. I thought the Skins failed in that area but I just chalked that up to the loyalty of Joe Gibbs.[/quote]As cool as it would have been to get Vinatieri, it would not have made sense financially, not to mention he's coming off a sub-par season (trust me he was on my fantasy team and sucked). I don't get why we didnt snatch up Connor Hughes from UVA the second the draft was over. He's automatic from inside 55. Then get the Aussie to punt and do kickoffs, and all is well. The only reason Hughes didn't get drafted was because he didn't kick off.

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[quote=skindogger47]As cool as it would have been to get Vinatieri, it would not have made sense financially, not to mention he's coming off a sub-par season (trust me he was on my fantasy team and sucked). I don't get why we didnt snatch up Connor Hughes from UVA the second the draft was over. He's automatic from inside 55. Then get the Aussie to punt and do kickoffs, and all is well. The only reason Hughes didn't get drafted was because he didn't kick off.[/quote]

first, vinetari is ALWAYS bad in fantasy. you should never judge a players true worth by how well he does for your fantasy team. the guy won 2 superbowls and has a great FG %, especially for being an outdoor and cold weather kicker (two things which kill completion %).

The only reason hughes didn't get drafted is because he's not a very good kicker. connor hughes is most definately NOT automatic from inside 55, or he would have been a top 10 pick. only one good kicker came out this year, and he went in the 4th round (which was probably too high). the aussie had a 40-42ypp average in college... that drops in the pros and he has no experience in the NFL either. He's a question mark at best.


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[FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-2][COLOR=#000000]Made 42-of-45 extra point attempts and 17-of-24 field goals (70.8%) as he struggled past the 40-yard line, making only 3-of-8 field goals from 40 yards or longer while also having two kicks blocked.

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In 2005 he was 5/6 on 40+ yarders, which is terrible that they only tried that many. his accuracy is terrible and he kicks low, meaning blocks and a total inability to do kickoffs. he's also pretty worthless in coverage. People look at his 21/24 2005 season, but fail to see that they refused to even try 40+ yarders because he just couldn't be trusted to make many of them. when they tried in 2004, as stated above, the results were pretty abysmal.[/SIZE]
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