Darrell Green... first ballot hof?
 

if darrell green is not a first ballot hall of famer than something is seriously wrong in the world

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No doubt. It's a near certainty. Is he eligible this next year, or the year after?

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im not sure... the wait is 5 years right??

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Yeah.

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If 81 is not a first ballot HOFer, then no way should 28 be one. I like him and all, but no way is Darrell Green more deserving than Art Monk.

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I would say that Darrell Green is absolutely a Hall of Fame player, who will greatly benefit by the fact that no other "mortal locks" retired the same year he did.

[url]http://www.darrellgreen.com/awards_accomplishments.html[/url]

I hope he does make it, and soon, because I'm sure he will credit his skill to (after God and the coaching staff) the players he practiced against - namely Art Monk. It occurs to me that the only way the writers are going to vote him in is if they are shamed into it.

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[quote=NicknacK89]if darrell green is not a first ballot hall of famer than something is seriously wrong in the world[/quote]

Something[I] is[/I] seriously wrong with the world as shown by Art Monk not being a selectee -- yet. Darrell is entirely deserving of a first ballot election, but I say the voters won't put him in until they vote Deion Sanders in first. And know what they will say? Even Daniel Snyder benched Green for Sanders !!!

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The pressure will be high to put Darrell in b/c he was such a good role model on top of being a great player. At least I hope so. It will be sweet if he says some stuff about Art Monk trying to grease the wheels on his admission too.

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i disagree that d snyder benched mr green. it was shottenhiemer (spelling?) and old #28 should be first ballot, maybe the first original lockdown corner

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[quote=cpayne5]If 81 is not a first ballot HOFer, then no way should 28 be one. I like him and all, but no way is Darrell Green more deserving than Art Monk.[/quote]

Monk should have been but Green shouldn't have to pay for idiot sports writters mistake.

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I believe Green will be on the first ballot and it would be neat to see him and Monk go at the same time. They both deserve it.

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I agree DG should be a first ballot hof. You can not compare DG with Monk.. you should never say Monk is more deserving.. They are both GREAT REDSKINS. BOTH worked their asses of ON AND OFF the field and look at this they kept out of trouble..maybe that might hurt DG on getting in.. But they should Retire #28. 20 yrs same team. not many others can say they have played 20 yrs much less with the same team , unless youre a kicker, then you would have been on 5-6 teams in that 20 yr period. never heard any whining out of him. Yeah Retire #28.. Would be great to see to ex-team mates make it the same time.. heres a link.. atleast one is wrong in this link.. #55.. DG would be another one to add to that #55
[url]http://www.thehogs.net/History/ArtMonk/index2.html[/url]

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[quote=cpayne5]If 81 is not a first ballot HOFer, then no way should 28 be one. I like him and all, but no way is Darrell Green more deserving than Art Monk.[/quote]


They both are !

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28].. you should never say Monk is more deserving..[/quote]

Why not?

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Yeah I totally agree Green Should will be a first ballot he was a top player for the most part of his carreer when I see the HOF a defentl ysee green there

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[quote=cpayne5]Why not?[/quote]

for one. they were both great on the field and off the field.
two. one played offense the other defense of course monk will score more tds, more catches, etc...
three. thats like comparing Russ Grimm to Joe Jacoby... 2 great redskins. you couldnt say grimm deserves it more than jacoby..

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I think Green was a more valuable player to the Redskins than Art Monk was. Don't get me wrong, I think Monk was great. But can I honestly say he's one of the top 10 WRs ever to play the game? I'm not sure about that. But I feel very confident in saying that Darrell Green was one of the top 10 CBs to ever play the game.

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With Out Question First Ballot

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[quote=NicknacK89]if darrell green is not a first ballot hall of famer than something is seriously wrong in the world[/quote]

yeah i agree Hopefully Darrell is going to bring recognition to the Skins and the voters will notice Monk as well.

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gotta be. great player for so long. hall of fame is about greatness over time, and he certainly was great for a very...very long time

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The Hall-of-Fame voting is more like a popularity contest. It makes me sick.

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[quote=Schneed10]I think Green was a more valuable player to the Redskins than Art Monk was. Don't get me wrong, I think Monk was great. But can I honestly say he's one of the top 10 WRs ever to play the game? I'm not sure about that. But I feel very confident in saying that Darrell Green was one of the top 10 CBs to ever play the game.[/quote]


YES he WAS !!!!

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[quote=Giantone]YES he WAS !!!![/quote]

Hmmmm....here's my top ten. Of course the order is debatable.

1. Jerry Rice
2. Steve Largent
3. Lance Alworth
4. Charly Taylor
5. Art Monk
6. Lynn Swann
7. Paul Warfield
8. Charlie Joiner
9. Don Maynard
10. Bobby Mitchell

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DG will be HOF, first round. Right or wrong, he is far more popular with the media, and more well known. I can frequently remember corner backs in general being compared to DG. As much as I love Art Monk, you did not hear those kind of unsolicited types of comments from the media.

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[quote=12thMan]Hmmmm....here's my top ten. Of course the order is debatable.

1. Jerry Rice
2. Steve Largent
3. Lance Alworth
4. Charly Taylor
5. Art Monk
6. Lynn Swann
7. Paul Warfield
8. Charlie Joiner
9. Don Maynard
10. Bobby Mitchell[/quote]

Interesting. I don't think I'd put him that high:

1) Jerry Rice
2) Lance Alworth
3) Lynn Swann
4) Marvin Harrison
5) Steve Largent
6) Cris Carter
7) Charlie Joiner
8) James Lofton
9) Tim Brown
10) Randy Moss

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Green [i][U]should[/U][/i] be a lock, but with what has happened with Monk I'm not sure I know what a lock is anymore.

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[quote=Schneed10]Interesting. I don't think I'd put him that high:

1) Jerry Rice
2) Lance Alworth
3) Lynn Swann
4) Marvin Harrison
5) Steve Largent
6) Cris Carter
7) Charlie Joiner
8) James Lofton
9) Tim Brown
10) Randy Moss[/quote]

I think I'd agree with scheed's list. even though i still hate him for goobing up the chopper high score :P

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[quote=Schneed10]Interesting. I don't think I'd put him that high:

1) Jerry Rice
2) Lance Alworth
3) Lynn Swann
4) Marvin Harrison
5) Steve Largent
6) Cris Carter
7) Charlie Joiner
8) James Lofton
9) Tim Brown
10) Randy Moss[/quote]

yeah I agree with this list also even thought I really believe if Carter and Brown are up there like it or not M.Irvin should be there also he's a top 10 wr we're talking of production not off field issues he change the game in his time and the way CB should be.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]yeah I agree with this list also even thought I really believe if Carter and Brown are up there like it or not M.Irvin should be there also he's a top 10 wr we're talking of production not off field issues he change the game in his time and the way CB should be.[/quote]

Carter and Brown are up there more because of their impressive longevity, in my book. Tim Brown is 2nd all time in receiving yards, and Carter is 4th. Irvin comes in at 14th. In terms of receptions, Carter is 2nd and Brown is 3rd, with Irvin tied for 18th. In terms of TDs, Carter is 2nd and Brown is tied for 5th with Largent, and Irvin only ranks 42nd.

Irvin put up his numbers over a shorter time span, and he has the rings, which definitely count for something. So I don't mean to discount Irvin altogether. Irvin is definitely in my top 15 (so is Monk). If stats told the whole tale, I'd be ranking Carter and Brown as 2nd and 3rd all time, but like Irvin, they come from an era in which passing was all the rage. It's just that Irvin, Carter, and Brown all came from the same era. They were all great, but the numbers put Carter and Brown just a bit ahead of Irvin for me.

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[quote=That Guy]I think I'd agree with scheed's list. even though i still hate him for goobing up the chopper high score :P[/quote]

That's the one I'm gunning for, and I hope to keep it for eternity! You better not give up though, I relish the competition!

I also desperately want the QB Challenge title back!

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[quote=cpayne5]If 81 is not a first ballot HOFer, then no way should 28 be one. I like him and all, but no way is Darrell Green more deserving than Art Monk.[/quote]


Are you out of your f-ing mind? Green was a 7 time pro-bowler and is the original shut down corner. Not to mention he was huge returning punts.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]yeah I agree with this list also even thought I really believe if Carter and Brown are up there like it or not M.Irvin should be there also he's a top 10 wr we're talking of production not off field issues he change the game in his time and the way CB should be.[/quote]

If it was forming a sentence, I would take Taylor Jacobs over Irvin but he was nasty in his prime.

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[QUOTE]
Irvin put up his numbers over a shorter time span, and he has the rings, which definitely count for something. So I don't mean to discount Irvin altogether. Irvin is definitely in my top 15 (so is Monk). If stats told the whole tale, I'd be ranking Carter and Brown as 2nd and 3rd all time, but like Irvin, they come from an era in which passing was all the rage. It's just that Irvin, Carter, and Brown all came from the same era. They were all great, but the numbers put Carter and Brown just a bit ahead of Irvin for me.[/QUOTE]

You said that you don't base your ranking just on stats but at the end you say that numbers is what pushed Carter and brown ahead of Irvin. Also as you said Irvin acomplished those numbers in less time that's pretty impresive whats even more impressive is that he did it in a run offense, not a passing 1 like Minnesota and Oakland/LA.

He changed they way CB's had to play the game and also how they had to be built like Moss also has in this time for me that's a top WR and I'm not saying this because I'm a Cowboy, it's just based on what the athlete brought to the game.

Like I've said Green should and will be a first baloot HOF he is 1 of the best CB's ever to play the game and it's defenetly in my top 10 All time.
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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]Are you out of your f-ing mind? Green was a 7 time pro-bowler and is the original shut down corner. Not to mention he was huge returning punts.[/QUOTE]
No I'm not, but thanks for the concern.

My post was more of a testament to what has happened to Art Monk (who held several *meaningful* records either during his career or at retirement) than it was to whether or not 28 should be a first ballot HOFer.

In a perfect world, they both should be HOFers, but we've all seen what has happened to Art Monk, and if it happened to him, then it is not outside the realm of reality to think it could also happen to DGreen.

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Darrell Green is a 1st ballot HOFer if I've ever seen one. He played at a very high level for most of his career and he has created several lasting memories. Maybe that's why the HOF can be viewed as a popularity contest, I mean Lynn Swann got in solely because of a couple of circus catches that just so happened to be in the Super Bowl. I can still see DG hurdling that Bear on a punt return and running into the end zone holding his rib.

Monk was fantastic for us, moved the chains, made the tough catch in traffic, did his thing every game, and was even the career leader in receptions and consecutive games with a catch when he retired and even was the first wideout to break 100 catches in a season. He is without a doubt among the best Redskins to ever wear the uniform, however when you think of Monk you think of a possession receiver. Yet in 4 more seasons he only caught 3 more tds than Irvin. I don't see Monk getting in unless the veterans bring him in.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]You said that you don't base your ranking just on stats but at the end you say that numbers is what pushed Carter and brown ahead of Irvin. Also as you said Irvin acomplished those numbers in less time that's pretty impresive whats even more impressive is that he did it in a run offense, not a passing 1 like Minnesota and Oakland/LA.

He changed they way CB's had to play the game and also how they had to be built like Moss also has in this time for me that's a top WR and I'm not saying this because I'm a Cowboy, it's just based on what the athlete brought to the game.

Like I've said Green should and will be a first baloot HOF he is 1 of the best CB's ever to play the game and it's defenetly in my top 10 All time.
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if by "change the game" you mean "master the art of pushing off without getting called for it" than yeah, you're right.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]You said that you don't base your ranking just on stats but at the end you say that numbers is what pushed Carter and brown ahead of Irvin. Also as you said Irvin acomplished those numbers in less time that's pretty impresive whats even more impressive is that he did it in a run offense, not a passing 1 like Minnesota and Oakland/LA.

He changed they way CB's had to play the game and also how they had to be built like Moss also has in this time for me that's a top WR and I'm not saying this because I'm a Cowboy, it's just based on what the athlete brought to the game.

Like I've said Green should and will be a first baloot HOF he is 1 of the best CB's ever to play the game and it's defenetly in my top 10 All time.
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Yeah I think you missed my point. I was saying that by the numbers, Irvin shouldn't even sniff the top 20. But since he didn't play all that long, he should be higher than his numbers suggest.

On the contrary, by the numbers Brown and Carter should be ranked 2nd and 3rd. But they played so long, and played in a passing era. So I had to bump them down to the bottom of the top 10. But not lower than Irvin, after all, those numbers are sick.

In the end, Brown and Carter get the nod for me.

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I would be surprised if he went in the first year of eligibility. He is a remarkable athlete and a great corner. But, there may be other people that they are looking at that have been on the list for many more years. Deon will probably be a 1st ballot. I hate the guy, but he did make the corner position what it is today. He was the best in his prime. I dont remember teams completely avoiding D. Greens side of the field as much as Deon, or even Champ. I hope he goes his first year, but with the writers voting, not the players, its hard to say.

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[quote=#56fanatic]I would be surprised if he went in the first year of eligibility. He is a remarkable athlete and a great corner. But, there may be other people that they are looking at that have been on the list for many more years. Deon will probably be a 1st ballot. I hate the guy, but he did make the corner position what it is today. He was the best in his prime. I dont remember teams completely avoiding D. Greens side of the field as much as Deon, or even Champ. I hope he goes his first year, but with the writers voting, not the players, its hard to say.[/quote]

Deon has 2 waith 4 more years to be eligible Green will get in if Moon and Young are first balloot HOF Green defenetly is.