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[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=2485181&univLogin02=stateChanged"]A good block is a successful block[/URL]

I'm not going to post the entire article since it's an ESPN Insider article, but just to sum it up KC Joyner rated out the best blockers in the league using a few different categories and he came up with what he calls the blocking success percentage, or one way to rate the general success/failure of each block. Here's how the best rated according to his blocking percentage system:

[B]1. C. Samuels Washington 94.8%[/B]
2. S. Locklear Seattle 94.4
3. K. Barry Green Bay 94.2
4. C. Villarrial Buffalo 91.8
5. B. Hamilton Denver 91.6
[B]6. D. Dockery Washington 91.1[/B]
7. J. Peters Buffalo 90.9
8. R. Brown Chicago 90.8
9. V. Riley Houston 90.5
10. B. Olson Tennessee 90.2

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That's interesting about Dockery being so high, especially since I would think the majority of us would have said that Thomas is better. Last year was a great step for Docker since he seemed to cut way back on the stupid penalties.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz]That's interesting about Dockery being so high, especially since I would think the majority of us would have said that Thomas is better. Last year was a great step for Docker since he seemed to cut way back on the stupid penalties.[/quote]I, for one, would still say that thomas is better.

if you had to choose betwen the 2 you cant tell me you would take dock over thomas, can you?

in docks defense i should say that i have noticed a huge improvement over the last season compared to early on. he was always good for 2 penaties a game whether it be false start or holding.but you dont hear his name called that often and that is usually a good thing.

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Cool! Only Buffalo and the 'Skins have 2 players in the top 10!

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where is god's gift to o-lineman hutchinson?

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[quote=gibbsisgod]where is god's gift to o-lineman hutchinson?[/quote]

He's still backing his dump truck full of cash up to the bank.

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i heard he got a hernia carrying it.

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I would say the flaw in his method lies in the calculation of YPA. On our team for example I bet Samuels and Dock got screwed because teams stack the line and our YPA goes down big time. Through no real fault of them really. In reality because they pose such a relative threat versus the passing game they get punished. I honestly feel his block percentages are a better indicator.

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[quote=FRPLG]I would say the flaw in his method lies in the calculation of YPA. On our team for example I bet Samuels and Dock got screwed because teams stack the line and our YPA goes down big time. Through no real fault of them really. In reality because they pose such a relative threat versus the passing game they get punished. I honestly feel his block percentages are a better indicator.[/quote]

I feel the same way, that's why I highlighted the blocking % numbers. They seem more pure to me and not influenced by other circumstances.

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i think dockery and thomas are at least equal. therefore, i would take dockery just because of his age. i think he made great strides last season and wouldnt be surprised if he made the pro bowl this season

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[QUOTE=dmek25]i think dockery and thomas are at least equal. therefore, i would take dockery just because of his age. i think he made great strides last season and wouldnt be surprised if he made the pro bowl this season[/QUOTE]
I would. The pro bowl is increasingly about name recognition and I am pretty sure Dock has a relatively lower rep than a lot of guys. Especially at a no name position like guard he'd have to make some type of major waves to even get considered. When a guy like Marcus Washington doesn't make the pro bowl I have a hard time believing anyone can who isn't already a big time name. Of course who the heck are the big time names in the guard group?

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I still think they are overrated and dont play with heart or passion. I will take thomas and jansen over those guys any day of the week and twice on sunday...

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seriously you cant rip of samuels. he hardly gave up any sacks last year. just like an article once said, when it happens, its news.

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That is why we have a top 3 line in the NFL. THomas is the best player on this offense in my opinion and we can see we have powerhouses to compliment him on the line. Rabach is our 'worst' player on the line but that is no problem because he is still beast(except when you are in the closing minutes of a game against the chargers. When that happens he justs starts being stupid). Doc deserves some respect. last year he was belittled pre-season like none other. He stepped up and so did the rest of the line. It is amazing that he does his job 91% of the time and samuels is doing it 95% of the time. That means 86% of the time the left side of our line is 'successful'. That is fenominal. The right side of our line isn't going to fall either having thomas and jansen. This line is absolutely amazing and we can thank bugel for that. We can see our players develop in thomas and Doc and that is because of bugez. Great job to him.

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[quote=jamf]I still think they are overrated and dont play with heart or passion. I will take thomas and jansen over those guys any day of the week and twice on sunday...[/quote]

Don't play with heart or passion?

Wow. That's a pretty strong statement. How can you back that up?

I think Buges might disagree with you.

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It may seem like Doc is no longer a penalty maker but he really is. He has had more holding calls last year than the previous two years combined. His false starts went down by 75% though.

I like this site for o-line stats [url]http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=6417&Submit=Go[/url]

He dropped in sacks allowed also.

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Here is links to all of them

[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=5032&Submit=Go"]Samuels[/URL]
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=6417&Submit=Go"]Doc [/URL]
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=5540&Submit=Go"]Rabach[/URL]
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=4707&Submit=Go"]Thomas[/URL] -- like I said, best player on this offense
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=4686&Submit=Go"]Jansen[/URL]

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OK, the numbers mean nothing alone so here are the stats of pro bowlers

Samuels and Jansen compared to

[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=3949&Submit=Go"]Walter Jones[/URL] Sea
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=3951&Submit=Go"]Orlando Pace[/URL] STL
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=3544&Submit=Go"]Willie Anderson[/URL] CIN
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=3540&Submit=Go"]Jonathan Ogden[/URL] BAL


Dock and Thomas compared to
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=2841&Submit=Go"]Larry Allen[/URL] DAL ASS
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=5464&Submit=Go"]Steve Hutchinson[/URL] SEA
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=4288&Submit=Go"]Alan Faneca [/URL]PIT
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=2445&Submit=Go"]Will Shields[/URL] KC

Rabach compared to
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=4953"]Jeff Saturday[/URL] IND
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=5930&Submit=Go"]Lecharles Bentley[/URL] NO
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=4474"]Olin Kreutz[/URL] CHI

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Good stats, BSB. You're right, Thomas really does stand out - his play is almost flawless, even though the other guys are pretty good.

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this is for [B]RUN[/B] blocking. dockery is still #5 on our OL.

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wow, hutch is pretty good ;) thomas too. clearly our #1.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Don't play with heart or passion?

Wow. That's a pretty strong statement. How can you back that up?

I think Buges might disagree with you.[/QUOTE]

Thats just my opinion, So it's Fact ;)


Keep in mind that redskins linemen are going to rate higher then Rams linemen because we were in MAX protect Most ever single play. Having a TE on the outside of your tackles every play really helps the OT stats. Our tackles are helped out by TE and RB chipping the DE every play.

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[QUOTE=jamf]I still think they are overrated and dont play with heart or passion. I will take thomas and jansen over those guys any day of the week and twice on sunday...[/QUOTE]

A lot of skins fans don't know or appreciate what they have in Samuels. He was selected to the pro-bowl and he wasn't selected because of name recognition, he was selected because coaches and players thought he was very good.

All I really have to say is I'm glad we have the linesmen we have.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]Here is links to all of them

[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=5032&Submit=Go"]Samuels[/URL]
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=6417&Submit=Go"]Doc [/URL]
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=5540&Submit=Go"]Rabach[/URL]
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=4707&Submit=Go"]Thomas[/URL] -- like I said, best player on this offense
[URL="http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=4686&Submit=Go"]Jansen[/URL][/QUOTE]


Sorry buddy but that's not a fair comparison, especially since Samuels and Jansen go up against ferocious DE.

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[quote=saden1]Sorry buddy but that's not a fair comparison, especially since Samuels and Jansen go up against ferocious DE.[/quote]Obviously. I am not comparing them. That is why I put up the list of stats of others top players at their positions and compared them.
I put up this entire post comparing positions---
[QUOTE]OK, the numbers mean nothing alone so here are the stats of pro bowlers

Samuels and Jansen compared to

Walter Jones Sea
Orlando Pace STL
Willie Anderson CIN
Jonathan Ogden BAL


Dock and Thomas compared to
Larry Allen DAL ASS
Steve Hutchinson SEA
Alan Faneca PIT
Will Shields KC

Rabach compared to
Jeff Saturday IND
Lecharles Bentley NO
Olin Kreutz CHI[/QUOTE]

Still Thomas is the best player on this line and offense. He is perfection. Few sacks and no penalties. He roles out and makes the block. He is perfect for this system and our O play went down IMMENSELY after he got hurt. The offensive disappearing act at the eagles, bucs, and seahawks was due to his absence.

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[quote=BigSKINBauer]The offensive disappearing act at the eagles, bucs, and seahawks was due to his absence.[/quote]Seems logical doesn't it. Take away our bread and butter and leave us with a wing and a prayer.

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[quote=Mattyk72][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=2485181&univLogin02=stateChanged"]A good block is a successful block[/URL]

I'm not going to post the entire article since it's an ESPN Insider article, but just to sum it up KC Joyner rated out the best blockers in the league using a few different categories and he came up with what he calls the blocking success percentage, or one way to rate the general success/failure of each block. Here's how the best rated according to his blocking percentage system:

[B]1. C. Samuels Washington 94.8%[/B]
2. S. Locklear Seattle 94.4
3. K. Barry Green Bay 94.2
4. C. Villarrial Buffalo 91.8
5. B. Hamilton Denver 91.6
[B]6. D. Dockery Washington 91.1[/B]
7. J. Peters Buffalo 90.9
8. R. Brown Chicago 90.8
9. V. Riley Houston 90.5
10. B. Olson Tennessee 90.2[/quote]

This is falsified. Samuels yes good, however I think Jansen is better. How is he left outta the mix. I pray Dockery is as good as this % report. B/C I have my doubts with Dockery/Rabach. Though Rabach is solid Im not a full believer for some reason.

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Can anyone tell me why the hell are we comparing our players? Is this a case of a solution in search of a problem?

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[QUOTE=saden1]Can anyone tell me why the hell are we comparing our players? Is this a case of a solution in search of a problem?[/QUOTE]
The offseason can me people do and say crazy things...

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[quote=Redskins8588]The offseason can me people do and say crazy things...[/quote]I guess we will have to wait till you hit 2000 or 2500.

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[QUOTE=saden1]Can anyone tell me why the hell are we comparing our players? Is this a case of a solution in search of a problem?[/QUOTE]

Because we on this board wield a tremendous amount of power when it comes to who will be starting on the O-line and who we draft/sign next year.

Didn't you know that most of us on this board work in the 'Skins front office or are coaches?

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[quote=mheisig]Didn't you know that most of us on this board work in the 'Skins front office or are coaches?[/quote]

Yup... by the way when's our next pay raise ? (after or before we win the superbowl)

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[QUOTE=warriorzpath]Yup... by the way when's our next pay raise ? (after or before we win the superbowl)[/QUOTE]

I actually get paid on a commission basis. Every time I mention that Patrick Ramsey should replace Brunell or that Lavar Arrington should have stayed on the team and I manage to get someone all worked up, I get paid.

There's also a performance bonus for hijacking threads.

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[quote=mheisig]I actually get paid on a commission basis. Every time I mention that Patrick Ramsey should replace Brunell or that Lavar Arrington should have stayed on the team and I manage to get someone all worked up, I get paid.

There's also a performance bonus for hijacking threads.[/quote]

So just in this post alone - you get paid twice for commission and then a performance bonus for this hijack.

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[QUOTE=warriorzpath]So just in this post alone - you get twice for commission and then a performance bonus for this hijack.[/QUOTE]

Damn straight.

There is however a tax for mentioning Question #3...ah shit.

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?3 hasn't been mentioned in a while, might be time to bring it back!

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod]?3 hasn't been mentioned in a while, might be time to bring it back![/QUOTE]

Actually the penalty for mentioning Question #3 is somewhat offset by the bonus for hijacking the thread yet again.

Woot!

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if this guy was high, would it make him a hijack?

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[quote=PWNED][IMG]http://minipearls.homestead.com/files/lumberjack.JPG[/IMG]

if this guy was high, would it make him a hijack?[/quote]

I think that guy is high ;) It looks like he is ready to take a piss...and what is that on his head?

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Or it looks like he's getting ready to hack his dong off.