Overrated/Underrated
 

Who do you guys think are some of the more overrated and underrated players in the league?

I know this isn't a popular vote, but I have to say lavar. Although I like the guy, I just think up until now he's been a product of a lot of hype.

I could agree with Lavar beeing overpaid I hope he doesn't turn out overrated.

Overrated:
T.O. (and I hate this guy)
Warren Sapp (his best days are over)
Micheal Vick (yes he is good, but if you have to watch a game he's in its awful how often some talking head say Vick can do this and Vick is great at this, like Vick vs the whole other team is an even match or something)


Underrated:
Marvin Harrison (came in same time as TO has him beat in every stat, but not as many people know is name, best WR in the game last 5 years)
LaDainian Tomlinson (this guy is carring that team)
Jon Kitna (after the year he had last year how can Cindy knock him down to second string?)

Overrated: Corey Dillon, David Boston

Underrated: Jon Jansen, Fred Smoot

Overpaid: Peyton Manning, Champ Bailey

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Overrated: Jeremy Shockey (2 TD's a season, 894 yard rookie year...Tony Gonzalez had 10 TD's and 916 yards last season, Heap and Crumpler only had 3 TD's, but they had no one throwing to them)

Kurt Warner (not anymore, but I always knew he was a procuct of the system)

Charles Woodson (fall down a few more times Chuck)

Rich Gannon (his so far past it)

Bobby Taylor (never deserved to make that Pro Bowl a couple years ago)

Keyshawn Johnson (I got 99 catches, but a Touchdown ain't 1...in all seriousness, shut up and find the end zone)

Matt Hasselbeck (it won't last)

Shaun Alexander (5 TD's one week, 50 yards the next)

I almost forgot...
Jeff Garcia (IMO he's the biggest coat tail rider of them all. I disagree that TO is overrated, I think he's one of the best WR on the planet. If Jeff could have put is ego aside they could have been a great team. Rattay even looked good throwing to TO. I could throw TD's to TO...Jeff Garcia = John Salley)

On that note...
Tim Rattay (Not by the media, but when he goes down the 49ers are in the market for a veteran QB...because they were set at quarterback when Tim Rattay was healthy right?)

Wow, Lavar overrated, you could not be more off base. You want the one most overrated player in the league right now? Brian Urlacher. Lavar goes into that situation with a stable coaching staff and defenseive coordinator, he has ever bit as much hype as Urlacher. There is one thing that Urlacher has though, he is white, and he plays middle linebacker, and there are too many similarities to Dick Butkus, he is all media overhype and Lavar is definitely the superior player

Underrated: Tomlinson (he's a great back)

Marvin Harrison (for my money and his mouth (or lack thereof) he's the best in the league)


Sam Shade (he was a beast)

Jesse Armstead (he can still get it done)

Marcel Shipp (he's had great games and never a solid opportunity to be a starter)

Dwight Freeney (I just never hear much about him)

Brad Johnson (People always replace him, but he's just an all around solid QB who can get it done)

[QUOTE=Bergman14]Wow, There is one thing that Urlacher has though, he is white, and he plays middle linebacker[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree more, but for once I didn't have the b@lls to say it. I was going to put Urlacher, but I try to base things on stats and his are usually phenomenal. However, I think he gets a lot of hype because of the color of his skin. Much like Jeremy Shockey who even has the NY media driving him. Shockey is a lot like Jason Sehorn. A little above average everywhere else, but in NY he becomes the best in the league.

I agree that Shockey is among the overrated, and Tomlinson and Harrison fall in the underrated category. Some others:

Underrated:

Derrick Mason
Hines Ward
Fred Taylor (been hard to depend on him healthwise, but when he's healthy he's great)

Overrated:

Jake Plummer: I just don't see it
Mike Alstott: Don't see it there either

And I won't say LaVar but I will say Samuels. He has a world of talent but I don't think he's lived up to it since his rookie year

Over-Rated:
Donovan McNabb - Not much of a passer, loses the big games, but always get's the credit!
Kerry Collins - Been mediocre his whole career, he was the Giant's problem.
Dallas's D - Let's wait till they see some winning teams till we proclaim them a decent defense.
Tommy Maddox - Back to insurance!

Under-rated:
Chris Chambers - give the man a QB.
The Lions - with an awesome rookie/1st year offense, watch out for them.
Marty Booker - HE'S MY FANTASY PICK, HANDS OFF!
Santana Moss - there's a threat opposite of him now - watch his stats skyrocket.
Lee Suggs - Bye Weedhead WIlliam Green - in with VT suggs!
DeShaun Foster - Sell Stephen, keep DeShaun!
Byron Leftwhich - big year
Marcel Shipp - Arizona's running game will be alive, and it won't be Emmitt.
Dominick Davis - Not Freshman luck. Tear it up, Davis!
Moe Williams - He'll do well for the Vikings... again.
Antwon Randel El - This kid will be great~

Everybody makes great points in the overrated category...I was really wanting to argue, but you guys are on point.

Over-rated:
Eddie George - I just don't see it, when we had Stephen Davis everybody talked about how George was a hard runner, but it seemed Davis did not get any credit.

Tom Brady - How in the world can he win Super Bowl MVP's when IMO Adam Vinitary(sp) won both of their Super Bowls?

Emmit Smith - I know he is the all-time rushing leader, but look at the talent level on the cowgirls, vs. the Lions when Barry played. If Barry Sanders did not retire when he did he, hands down, would be the all-time rushing leader.


Under-Rated:
I agree with all the others...

OVERRATED:

Ricky Williams
Jesse Armstead
Matt Hasselback
Keyshawn Johnson
Bill Romanowski
Mike Vick
Troy Vincent
Bobby Taylor
Chris Samuels (past 2 years)
Al Harris
Warren Sapp
Tommy Maddox
Eddie George
Rich Gannon
Tim Rattey
Marc Bulger



UNDERRATED:

Pat Ramsey
Nick Barnett
Jeremiah Trotter
Peter Boulware
Kerry Collins
Fred Smoot
Mike Anderson
Chris Claiborne
Boss Bailey
Chad Johnson
Joe Jurevicius
Jamie Sharper
Fred Taylor
Reggie Wayne
T.J. Ducket
DeShaun Foster
Shawn Barber
Adam Archuletta
L. Tomlinson
Ryan Sims

[QUOTE=Bergman14]Wow, Lavar overrated, you could not be more off base. You want the one most overrated player in the league right now? Brian Urlacher. Lavar goes into that situation with a stable coaching staff and defenseive coordinator, he has ever bit as much hype as Urlacher. There is one thing that Urlacher has though, he is white, and he plays middle linebacker, and there are too many similarities to Dick Butkus, he is all media overhype and Lavar is definitely the superior player[/QUOTE]

I was curious what has lavar done to be considered a top LB?

I wonder if you have actually seen Urlacher play? the guy can play, big time, I would also like to know what is so stable about chicago?

up until now Urlacher has out performed Lavar.......

and nobody is trying to build up Lavar as the second coming of LT?

Overrrated= McNabb (I believe the success he has had the past three years minus last one was due to the domination of the Eagles D.

Underrated= Brady/McNair (The best QBs in the game right now)

Overpaid= Arrington (Anyone making that kind of money had better be the best at his position and a great leader. He's lacking on the latter)

[QUOTE=Bergman14] There is one thing that Urlacher has though, he is white, and he plays middle linebacker, and there are too many similarities to Dick Butkus, he is all media overhype and Lavar is definitely the superior player[/QUOTE]

I could not agree more. Urlacher is the most overated and over hyped in the NFL. He did great when he had two monster probowl DT's Teddy Washington and Keith Traylor, in front of him to protect him. Last year when Teddy Washington was gone Urlacher did not do as well. Now that they lost Traylor this offseason, he will be worse. MLB Ray Lewis overcame losing DT's Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa and still played at a high level.

[QUOTE=offiss]I was curious what has lavar done to be considered a top LB?
I wonder if you have actually seen Urlacher play? the guy can play, big time, I would also like to know what is so stable about chicago?
up until now Urlacher has out performed Lavar.......
and nobody is trying to build up Lavar as the second coming of LT?[/QUOTE]

Let me start be saying Urlacher is a very good player. But he is only the second best MLB.
I have seen Urlacher play.....I remember a particular game fondly, because I was watching it with my friends and I was arguing with one of my buddies about who is better Ray Lewis or Urlacher. I was saying Lewis is better and Urlacher overated because he is white.
A few plays later the argument died down and we are all suddenly watching closely (Buffalo Bills vs. Chicago Bears game two years ago).
Suddenly we all see Bills OG Rueben Brown pick up off the ground and move Urlacher (by the shoulder pads) out of the way like he was a little kid. The friend I was arguing with, a huge Bears and Urlacher fan was embarrased, as the network kept showing the replay over and over again.
I can tell you Lavar can make stupid mistakes and get blocked out of a play, but I have never seen an offensive lineman pick him up and move him ouf the way like this.
Urlacher needs to put on about 10-15 pounds of muscle in order to be the best MLB in the league.

O-VER-RATED -
RB Corey Dillon - Maybe its his additude that gets me, but he just doesnt seem to be as good as I think hes made out to be.
QB Dante Culpepper- His best years are behind him, hes still a decent qb, but just about any NFL QB can go out and have a feild day with the recivers they got(or had) over there. Hell Gus Ferrotte tore the house down when he steped up this season.

Under-rated.
I honestly think Fred Smoot is underrated. Maybe its my bias, or him being behind Bailey, but I think this guy is a damn good player and should be considered a big CB. Not on like the " 100% shut down corner level", but a big time CB. We'll find out this year w/o Bailey here.

Now I know I'm gonna get a TON of heat for this one, and this by no means affiliates me with this man or his team in any way shape or form. HOWEVER, I know hes not that good, but Quincy Carter takes WAYYYYYYY too much heat in Dallas. Is he the guy that can lead them to a superbowl, no , absolutley not. Is he a guy that will lead them past the Washington Redskins this year, no , absolutley not. However, is he a guy that goes out there and loses them games that they should have won, no, he doesnt. Thats just my opinion. Once again to reinterate, that statment dosent affiliate me with that man, his team, that state or any of the bordering areas of Dallas, TX.

How about coaches???


Over rated coaches- -
- Mike Martz
- Dennis Green
- Tom Coughlin
- Brian Billick
- Mike Holmgren

Under rated coaches
- John Fox
- Herman Edwards
- Marvin Lewis
- Tony Dungy

Your thoughts?????

Underrated:
QB Tom Brady
Despite winning 2 of the last 3 SB's, he still will not be listed as one of the best current QB's, because he does have a cannon arm and is not 6'-5" and 240 pounds.

Carolina Panthers-despite making it to SB, they wil be over looked by most prognosticators.

OVER-RATED:
Indy Colts and KC Chiefs - The press, experts and fantasy footballers love offense and these two teams have great offenses. But their defenses are not very good. In the Colts case, they will actually be worse this year with the FA defections to their defense and not very good replacements.

[QUOTE=lifetimeskin]How about coaches???


Over rated coaches- -
- Mike Martz
- Dennis Green
- Tom Coughlin
- Brian Billick
- Mike Holmgren

Under rated coaches
- John Fox
- Herman Edwards
- Marvin Lewis
- Tony Dungy

Your thoughts?????[/QUOTE]

I'd knock Coughlin and Green off of the overrated list (anyone who went jobless for a year can't be rated that high), and add Mike Shanahan. With Elway and T. Davis dominating the league, any coach would be hailed a genius. The trick is maintaining it after they leave. He has had statistically good offenses, and has been unable to match his wins.

Underrated coach: Jack Del Rio

Overrated coach: Dennis Erickson, I suppose everybody deserves a second chance but I'm not sure how he got it...now I'll sit back and wait for SkinsnCanes to explain to me why Erickson is great because he coached Canes

[QUOTE=Defensewins]Let me start be saying Urlacher is a very good player. But he is only the second best MLB.
I have seen Urlacher play.....I remember a particular game fondly, because I was watching it with my friends and I was arguing with one of my buddies about who is better Ray Lewis or Urlacher. I was saying Lewis is better and Urlacher overated because he is white.
A few plays later the argument died down and we are all suddenly watching closely (Buffalo Bills vs. Chicago Bears game two years ago).
Suddenly we all see Bills OG Rueben Brown pick up off the ground and move Urlacher (by the shoulder pads) out of the way like he was a little kid. The friend I was arguing with, a huge Bears and Urlacher fan was embarrased, as the network kept showing the replay over and over again.
I can tell you Lavar can make stupid mistakes and get blocked out of a play, but I have never seen an offensive lineman pick him up and move him ouf the way like this.
Urlacher needs to put on about 10-15 pounds of muscle in order to be the best MLB in the league.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you on the fact that he's not the best MLB, no argument there, my point was he is good, and not just white, I do agree last year wasen't his best, but the previous year's he was real good, and very true a MLB need's player's in front of him to be all they can be, but I think that goes for just about any MLB, comparing him to lewis in a way is a compliment for Uralcher, if as many do consider lewis, 1 of the great MLB's of all time, as for Lavar, he misses way to many tackles, and is blocked to easily when rushing the passer, the only time he did anything significant was under lewis when he had 11 sack's, and even then he was not playing LB, he was playing D-end, Lavar has all the physical tool's, and the personality to go with it, and I believe the NFL is trying to capatalize on it, but I don't believe he has earned his rep. with his play.

The most over rated player in the league is Mike Vick by far. You would think he had a hand full of Super Bowl rings for all the hype he gets.

Runner up is Shockey, but he plays in NY and they overrate all their players.

Lavar Arrington is Overrated! So is Shockey.

[QUOTE=smootsmack]Underrated coach: Jack Del Rio

Overrated coach: Dennis Erickson, I suppose everybody deserves a second chance but I'm not sure how he got it...now I'll sit back and wait for SkinsnCanes to explain to me why Erickson is great because he coached Canes[/QUOTE]

eh, whatever. Im not going to fight you on this one. Im to young to know much about his college coaching days, and I dont really remember him doing to much in the NFL either. Im going to go out on a limb and say that Butch Davis was overrated as an NFL coach. He was amazing in college, and ten times the coach that Larry Coker is. Miamis players would have much better stats and we probably wouldnt have lost yet if Davis was still the coach. Larry didnt have to do much to keep winning with the plyaers he had. But I thought Davis would have done better in the NFL. Like Jimmy Johnson stepped in and used his knowledge of college players to build a team for a few years then really step it up. Im impressed though that the Browns are stickign with him and letting him build a team. You dont see that to much in teh league anymore.

I think that Tomblinson isnt overrated or underrated, hes at minimum top three running backs in the league, if not first. The guy had 1800 yards rushing and 100 receptions.

I think Deuce Staley has always been overrated. All he was ever good for was a screen pass. And for the time being im going to say that as a whole package Eli Manning was overrated as well. Im also going to hope that the broncos oline is overreates and that what is comes down to is that Portis is a beast and whatever back they have this year fails misserably.

I think that Santana Moss has always been underrated, and when they finally gave him a chance he ripped it up. Hes short but can jump over anyone in the league, and can out run bascially everyone to. Hes going to be a baller next year. I also think that the Bucs defense is underrated for next year. They lost the heart and sole of that D but got Ian Gold and some others to step in. I think under Kiffin those young guys are goign to step it up.

Overrated: LaVar
Underrated: Chad Pennington, David Carr

[QUOTE=Defensewins]Underrated:
QB Tom Brady
Despite winning 2 of the last 3 SB's, he still will not be listed as one of the best current QB's, because he does have a cannon arm and is not 6'-5" and 240 pounds.[/QUOTE]

I have to disagree with you on this one. All Tom Brady did when he won those Super Bowls was what Trent Dilfer did when the Ravens won there super bowl. They both rode there Defense to victories and did not make stupid mistakes on offense.

Does that mean that Trent Dilfer is underrated also?

Brady did a bit more than just ride the Pats D, I don't see the Dilfer comparison with him at all.

IMO Brady is an average QB on a team with a good D. As far as him doing more than just riding the Pats D, I don't see it. He is a QB that does not improvise and seldom tries to make something out of nothing on some plays, IMO until he takes risks and tries to be a play maker then he will be bumped up to the next level.

That is what seperates the great QB's from the average QB, being able to take a shot and be confident enough in your own abilities to believe that you can make or take that long shot everytime.

[QUOTE=Redskins8588]That is what seperates the great QB's from the average QB, being able to take a shot and be confident enough in your own abilities to believe that you can make or take that long shot everytime.[/QUOTE]

Is it just me or does anyone else think this describes Jeff George?

I don't think you can categorize Tom Brady as overrated. True, Vinatieri got those field goals but it was Brady who led the drives to get them in that position

Jeff George is a bum, that was the worst move the redskins ever made!!! Jeff George is the only QB that spells TEAM with an I!!! I should have added that the great QB will also care about the team first. Jeff George is probably the only exception.

Tom Brady did indeed lead the drives to allow Vinatieri to make the field goals, but when Vinatieri went on the field to both times all the presure, the season, and even maybe his career were on the line with those GAME WINNING kicks.

Look at what happened to Steve Cristie(sp) when he missed the field goal that would have let the Bills beat the Giants in the super bowl, he went down hill after that, even though it was Jim Kelly, now in the hall of fame, that led the drive to allow him to attempt that kick. The Bills whole season came down to how good there kicker was, and not who led the drive.

QUESTION: With out Vinatieri do the Pats still win the Super Bowl both or even 1 time?

You mean Scott Norwood 8588, but I think I see your point. You're saying that what Brady did in the Super Bowl ultimately wasn't as important as Vinatieri stepping in under all that pressure and winning the game with the field goals. And if he doesn't make those then Brady is just another QB who wasn't able to win the big game for his team. Am I more or less right? I don't want to put words in your mouth

I should add that while I don't think Brady is overrated when he starts getting compared to Joe Montana that is taking it a bit too far this early in his career.

We played Tom Brady last season, and if you guys remember his arm was so bruised and messed up that he had that protective sleeve on his throwing arm. He played through a lot of pain and went 25-38 for 289 against us, in the preseason he picked us apart. Tom Brady doesnt have great receivers in my opinon, Troy Brown is getting old but is still a solid receiver. I dont think they had a great running game with Antoine Smith who wasnt very consistent. I have to say that Tom Brady led that team. If everyone thinks hes not that good why didnt Bledsoe win a couple superbowls with the Patriots, hes got the strong arm? Brady is a leader and has done a solid job in NE. Youd think he would have more credit after getting a second super bowl... They team is even better this year in my opinion, doesnt mean they will win the super bowl but they will be in the hunt with Brady and the healm.

smootsmack, My bad on that, your right I meant Norwood. Also I think you get my point. But I never compared him to Joe Montana. Does he have the ability to be that good? Maybe, but I agree it is too early to tell.

SKINSnCANES, if they are as good as you say with Brady, then why didn't they do much in the 2002 season? With the exception of some players the Pats were pretty much the same team.

Ya kow quite a few of us think Lavar may be overrated and/or overpaid. I would love to see a poll along those lines.(hint, hint)

2 rings in his first 4 seasons is a hell of a start for Brady. Another ring and the Montana comparisons will really start flying. He's got alot of ball left to go.

Overrated - Keyshawn Johnson. This guy doesn't get any separation any longer (except against us last year) and talks way too much for someone who isn't much of a playmaker. He is a good possession receiver, but that's about it.

Wow I can't wait till LaVar has an amazing year back at the weakside and all of you haters are eating your words.

[QUOTE=Redskins8588]Jeff George is a bum, that was the worst move the redskins ever made!!! Jeff George is the only QB that spells TEAM with an I!!! I should have added that the great QB will also care about the team first. Jeff George is probably the only exception.

Tom Brady did indeed lead the drives to allow Vinatieri to make the field goals, but when Vinatieri went on the field to both times all the presure, the season, and even maybe his career were on the line with those GAME WINNING kicks.

Look at what happened to Steve Cristie(sp) when he missed the field goal that would have let the Bills beat the Giants in the super bowl, he went down hill after that, even though it was Jim Kelly, now in the hall of fame, that led the drive to allow him to attempt that kick. The Bills whole season came down to how good there kicker was, and not who led the drive.

QUESTION: With out Vinatieri do the Pats still win the Super Bowl both or even 1 time?[/QUOTE]

I think they probably win both. In the first Pats win, Vinatieri did hit the game winner with time expiring - but the score was tied at the time. I remember Madden saying that the Pats shouldn't be trying, and should just prepare for OT. So it was a great clutch kick, but the game was in play if he missed it, which has to reduce the pressure.

Lost in last year's heroics, was the truly average season and post season Vinatieri had. He was a 73 percent kicker during the season, and was 7 for 10 in the post-season. We've run guys out on a rail for less. Vinatieri is in a great situation where his teammates have faith in him, and his contract provides job security. He's also on a team which gives him the chance to make Super Bowl winning kicks - something that 30 other kickers in the league each year would love to try.