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What active players do you think, if their careers ended today, would be first ballot Hall of Famers?

Off the top of my head I'd say:

Brett Favre
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady (wavered a lot on Brady and Manning)
Ray Lewis
Marvin Harrison

I know there must be more. What do you guys think?

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Curtis Martin is the only other one I would add to your list

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Marshall Faulk

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Well see if you put Martin then are you saying you'd put Faulk in also? Because I'd put Faulk in before Martin.

I think for me the hardest part is determining how long a career the guy has to have be Hall eligible.

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Larry Allen

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Faulk is no question hands down. They were going through his numbers on NFL live today and they are rediculous. Theres no way the guy shouldnt be in first ballot.

McNair should be up there, althogh I dont know about first ballot

There really arent a lot of guys you can point to and say absolutley. I'm not sure how his all time numbers rank, but maybe Issac Bruce?

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]Faulk is no question hands down. They were going through his numbers on NFL live today and they are rediculous. Theres no way the guy shouldnt be in first ballot.

McNair should be up there, althogh I dont know about first ballot

There really arent a lot of guys you can point to and say absolutley. I'm not sure how his all time numbers rank, but maybe Issac Bruce?[/QUOTE]

Bruce is tricky. You can make a strong case for him, but then you'd have also have one for Torry Holt, Rod Smith, the recently retired Jimmy Smith, and how does Bruce get in before Andre Reed, and of course Art?

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tafkas, you have made me rethink my position on faulk as a first ballot HOF'er. i didnt realize that he has over 12,000 yrds rushing and 100 rushing tds, not to mention all of his receivingstats,curtis martin has over 14,000 yrds rushing but not nearly as many receiving yrds(only 10 less rushing tds). i can see them both as first ballot HOF'ers.

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[quote=FRPLG]Larry Allen[/quote]i was trying to think of any o-lineman that were worthy and allen was the only one i could think of also. its kinda hard to put an o-lineman in first ballot though.

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Sapp or Strahan? I was trying to think of DL and thats who I come up with.

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[quote=TrustinGibbs]Sapp or Strahan? I was trying to think of DL and thats who I come up with.[/quote]maybe eventually but not first ballot. i can see strahan getting in first ballot with 2 or 3 more good seasons but not as it stands now

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How about Tony Gonzalez?

Warren Sapp
Michael Strahan
Junior Seau (he may actually be retired now)
Drew Bledsoe
Simeon Rice
TO? Randy Moss?

I can't remember offensive linemen.

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I think Strahan is a first ballot. Don't forget Strahan has the single season sack record (wink,wink) and the power of Peter King.

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Taylor Jacobs

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[QUOTE=steveo395]Taylor Jacobs[/QUOTE]

Well that goes without saying. Tell us something we don't know steveo

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Hmm.

First ballot is a lofty achievement.

Favre
Martin
Faulk
Manning
Brady
Lewis
Strahan
Rodney Harrison
Tony Gonzalez
Adam Vinatieri (I wouldn't vote him in. But Peter King would.)
Simeon Rice
Derrick Brooks
Brian Urlacher
John Lynch
Will Shields
Walter Jones
Torry Holt

I may have missed/stretched a few, but thats my list.

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[quote=TAFKAS]What active players do you think, if their careers ended today, would be first ballot Hall of Famers?

Off the top of my head I'd say:

Brett Favre
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady (wavered a lot on Brady and Manning)
Ray Lewis
Marvin Harrison

I know there must be more. What do you guys think?[/quote]

Brett Favre
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Ray Lewis
Marvin Harrison

I would say these guys above are all first ballot locks.

I would also add Faulk, Martin, and Bettis. Not sure if they all will go first ballot, but if I was voting I would put them in.

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[quote=GTripp0012]Hmm.

First ballot is a lofty achievement.

Favre
Martin
Faulk
Manning
Brady
Lewis
Strahan
Rodney Harrison
Tony Gonzalez
Adam Vinatieri (I wouldn't vote him in. But Peter King would.)
Simeon Rice
Derrick Brooks
Brian Urlacher
John Lynch
Will Shields
Walter Jones
Torry Holt

I may have missed/stretched a few, but thats my list.[/quote]

The only one here I have a problem with is Rice. I can't say he's a first ballot guy, he'll probably crack the top 10 for all-time sacks, but even then he doesn't strike me as a first ballot player.

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bledsoe as a first ballot? i don't think so. he has numbers but he's not a winner or even great. he's just above average and had good luck staying healthy enough to keep playing.

roaf and shields... if 11 time pro bowlers don't get in, then who does?

brady
manning (if he wins one)
lewis
gates
moss (randy - if he can get back on track)

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no way to sapp but a big maybe to strahan. been doing his thing for a long time now. d linemen usually dont last but maybe 4 or 5 years.

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speaking of marvin harrison, he came in eddie bauer a couple of weeks ago, where i work, and was a douche bag. fck him

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[quote=That Guy]bledsoe as a first ballot? i don't think so. he has numbers but he's not a winner or even great. he's just above average and had good luck staying healthy enough to keep playing.

roaf and shields... if 11 time pro bowlers don't get in, then who does?

brady
manning (if he wins one)
lewis
gates
moss (randy - if he can get back on track)[/quote]

I agree with you but Carson was a 9 time Pro Bowler that had to wait.

The Hall doesn't typically jump to vote in OL very quickly, so it should be interesting to see what will happen with guys like Roaf and Shields who are very deserving.

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Sapp is the most overrated player in NFL history. Lynch is a close second.

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[quote=That Guy]bledsoe as a first ballot? i don't think so. he has numbers but he's not a winner or even great. he's just above average and had good luck staying healthy enough to keep playing.

roaf and shields... if 11 time pro bowlers don't get in, then who does?

brady
manning (if he wins one)
lewis
gates
moss (randy - if he can get back on track)[/quote]Gates probably will be a HOFer one day, but if his career ended today with only 3 yrs in the NFL, would he really be first ballot? I don't think so.

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Gates definitely has a long way to go.

P. Manning will get in regardless of if he wins a Super Bowl, if he continues to put up the crazy numbers which I'm sure he will.

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Jonathan Ogden

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Will Shields and Willie Roaf?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Gates definitely has a long way to go.

P. Manning will get in regardless of if he wins a Super Bowl, if he continues to put up the crazy numbers which I'm sure he will.[/QUOTE]

yeah cuz he could eventually surpass Marino and he got in despite the lack of a ring cuz he destroyed almost ever single passing record.

those near the end of their playing careers r Martin, Faulk, Roaf, Favre, Derrick Brooks and Ty Law. then if these players keep up their production I see these going in: Tomlinson, Manning, Harrison, E. James, Gonazalez, Portis, Boldin, Fitzgerald, R. Moss, Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor, Strahan, Ed Reed, Brady, Mcnabb, Palmer, Hines Ward, Tory Holt, Gates, Crumpler, Heap, Vinateri, Julius Peppers, and Freeney.

a couple coaches that will be first ballot r Belichick and if he wins one more SB Bill Cowher.

and I think it's kinda funny while checking the skins page on espn and I looked at the link for Gibbs' approval rating and the skins r already -4 on their turnover margin and camp hasn't even opened yet.

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[quote=FRPLG]Larry Allen[/quote]

The best player at his position in the whole list. Don't agree, take it up with John Madden.

I don't agree with Curtis Martin. If Monk didn't make it first ballot, he shouldn't either. He hasn't won dick.

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[COLOR=black]quote=Big C]speaking of marvin harrison, he came in eddie bauer a couple of weeks ago, where i work, and was a douche bag. fck him[/quote][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black]I am sure the committee will take that into consideration.....[/COLOR]
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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru]yeah cuz he could eventually surpass Marino and he got in despite the lack of a ring cuz he destroyed almost ever single passing record.

those near the end of their playing careers r Martin, Faulk, Roaf, Favre, Derrick Brooks and Ty Law. then if these players keep up their production I see these going in: Tomlinson, Manning, Harrison, E. James, Gonazalez, Portis, Boldin, Fitzgerald, R. Moss, Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor, Strahan, Ed Reed, Brady, Mcnabb, Palmer, Hines Ward, Tory Holt, Gates, Crumpler, Heap, Vinateri, Julius Peppers, and Freeney.

a couple coaches that will be first ballot r Belichick and if he wins one more SB Bill Cowher.

and I think it's kinda funny while checking the skins page on espn and I looked at the link for Gibbs' approval rating and the skins r already -4 on their turnover margin and camp hasn't even opened yet.[/quote]

Boldin isnt' even the best wideout on his team, no way. Crumpler <if you can't be nice...>. Portis, nope. James No. Heap????? McNabb No. Ward No. Freeney no way.

I quit. This is rediculous.

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[quote=That Guy]bledsoe as a first ballot? i don't think so. he has numbers but he's not a winner or even great. he's just above average and had good luck staying healthy enough to keep playing.

roaf and shields... if 11 time pro bowlers don't get in, then who does?

brady
manning (if he wins one)
lewis
gates
moss (randy - if he can get back on track)[/quote]

So you think that Gates is closer to the Hall than Randy Moss??? Come on now.

The criteria was if their careers ended today. I think; wait a minute, I know that this has been overlooked.

There are only a handful of players who would make it first ballot if their career ended today. I think the first list + M. Faulk + Larry Allen - Manning (I don't think that Brady and Manning can be first ballot. Brady has the gold and Manning does not have the numbers yet.) is the most reasonable that I have seen.

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Darrel Green:)

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Anyone else excited about selling off their old football cards of these Hall of Famers. I need to sell my John Elway rookie, as well as all of my Cowboy rookies I have. I seriously can't wait to unload these things.

Of course I am keeping all of my Redskins cards.

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[quote=GTripp0012]Gates probably will be a HOFer one day, but if his career ended today with only 3 yrs in the NFL, would he really be first ballot? I don't think so.[/quote]

missed the "if it ended today" bit.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper]Boldin isnt' even the best wideout on his team...[/quote]

I'd argue that he is. he averaged 100 yards a game last year. fitz averaged 88. Not that that's the only measure, but if you look as price/performance, boldin was also a huge steal.

I'm not saying he'd be a first ballot HoFer, but boldin is a tougher guy to tackle and there's a legitimate arguement for him being an equal or better receiver to fitzgerald.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]Boldin isnt' even the best wideout on his team, no way. Crumpler <if you can't be nice...>. Portis, nope. James No. Heap????? McNabb No. Ward No. Freeney no way.

I quit. This is rediculous.[/QUOTE]

maybe crumpler is a bit of a stretch but I'm guessing u missed the part where I said "if these players keep up their current production" cuz if Boldin keeps up his pace and stays healthy like he did last year and his rookie campaign & lasts for say 10 seasons he would retire with about 950+ catches/ 65+ tds/ 13,000+yards which would be pretty darn good and best the stats of some WRS already in the hall. and if portis is fortunate enough to stay healthy and keeps up his productivity for just 6 more years he'd be just shy of 15,000 yards / around 113 TDs / and a 4.5+ ypc average.

Mcnabb statisticaly might make it alone but add in his running ability, taking the eagles to 4 straight NFC championship games among other accomplishments, and the fact he is a media darling I think he gets in. Heap could retire with numbers similar to if not better than Kellen Winslow sr. Freeney could easily finish with 125+ sacks & 50+ forced fumbles. and the easiest player to defend that u dismissed E. James will finish his career with 110+ all purpose tds, 14,000+ rushing yards, 5,000+ recieving yards, & 500+ receptions despite having 2 seasons with serious injuries diminish his stats.
crumpler and ward r stretches I admit but I won't be suprised if ward is in the HOF some day.

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[quote=That Guy]I'd argue that he is. he averaged 100 yards a game last year. fitz averaged 88. Not that that's the only measure, but if you look as price/performance, boldin was also a huge steal.

I'm not saying he'd be a first ballot HoFer, but boldin is a tougher guy to tackle and there's a legitimate arguement for him being an equal or better receiver to fitzgerald.[/quote]

Yeah i would say they are both equally elite receivers.

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I pretty much agree with most of the choices here, some of the receivers are toss-ups to me. I think Moss is the only lock for a first ballot.

I will say that I think if LT only played, and I'm going out on a limb here, another two years like he has he could get in on his fifth season.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]I pretty much agree with most of the choices here, some of the receivers are toss-ups to me. I think Moss is the only lock for a first ballot.

I will say that I think if LT only played, and I'm going out on a limb here, another two years like he has he could get in on his fifth season.[/QUOTE]

well he would have almost 10,000 rushing yards, 3,500 recieving yards,
450+ receptions & 110+ total tds so I don't think it'd be too far of a stretch, but it would be his
7th season as a pro cuz last season was suprisingly enough his 5th season in the league.