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I know its early in the season and there is rust, but WTF is wrong with Brunell? He couldnt even complete a 7yd dump off pass, he threw it into the turf a couple of times. There were two overthrown balls to llyod, luckily he pulled one in. And that horrible interception where he threw across his body, but didnt have enough arm to get it out of bounds. Im just a lil worried cause our season really hinges on his play, its pretty obvious we dont have any talent in Collins and Campbell is not ready to be a starter yet.

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Brunnell looked fine to me, except the INT. But even on that, he was making the right read and throwing it away--just didn't throw it far enough. Remember--it's all about rythm at QB and he didn't get much play. ANd the playbook was most definetly NOT open. Now Collins, on the other hand...

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Oh boy here we go.

A couple of those throws were intentionally thrown away. That's how you throw the ball away inside the tackle box, rather than throwing it to a defensive lineman like Collins did.

The INT seemed to be a miscommunication and a busted play.

It's still way too early to get up in arms over the QB situation. They're still learning the offense and working on getting on the same page. For the first preseason game, things went pretty much as expected if you ask me. Yeah we could have done without the INT, but he did hit Moss and Lloyd with a couple of nice throws, and actually overthrew Lloyd on a deep ball (so much for the bum arm take).

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I'll admit I wasn't exactly pleased with Brunell last night, but it was the first preseason game so I'm going to hold off judging him for now.
Like JWsleep said, he needs to get his timing back.
To quote Lavar (couldn't go a day without bringing him up) Brunell just needs to "get his mental-reps down."

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Actually I heard that Brunell admitted on the radio that he was trying to throw it away. Just didn't go far enough.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;203500]Actually I heard that Brunell admitted on the radio that he was trying to throw it away. Just didn't go far enough.[/quote]

Add in the fact he was throwing across his body while trying to turn and avoid a hit and I'm not going to hold it against him too much.

It's the preseason, who cares.

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Yup. And Portis will be back by opening day and all will be right in the world.

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Guys, lets not forget this is a new offense. And I think the big thing with Brunnell is he's in there to [B]not[/B] lose us a game. As good as our defense and running game is, we don't need Joe Montana. Look what the Ravens did a few years back with that defense and Trent Dilfer at the helm. I feel our D could be just as dominating this year. My only concern is Brunnell's play in the playoffs last season. If that continues into this year, we may be in trouble.

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[QUOTE=Hog's Breath;203535]My only concern is Brunnell's play in the playoffs last season. If that continues into this year, we may be in trouble.[/QUOTE]

Only if Collins is still the #2 when that happens. And it's going to happen.

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I think the 1st team offense moved the ball with relative ease until the interception. Let's give it a week or two before we start judgin anyone. In fact, two weeks when the starters probably play a half of football vs. the Patriots will be a good time to judge the starting O.

It's all good so long as CP is back on 9/11/06.

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he looked okay. The interception was ugly. The good news is Brunnell does not have to be a superstart for us to win, he just needs to make a few plays and when the time is right he will make them. We had the same conversations last year, Brunnell does not have the arm strength, he is to old, does not have his legs, etc. He will be okay as long as he stays healthy.

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I don't think he looked bad. He got us down the field in a nice drive (yes I know he had a pick) the rest will come as long as we can move the ball.

If we still have issues the next two games I will start to worry.

However folks, remember, Gibbs best seasons had some of the worst pre-seasons. I hope that remains the same.

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I truley beleive Brunell and company will be ready week one I am not to worried. learning a new offense and all. we will be fine.

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brunells reads were ok. his execution on the interception was lousy. his job this year is to manage the game with no turnovers and let that nasty a** defense we have win us a championship

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Brunell is a washed-up, has-been. He looked terrible down the stretch last year and showed that same lack of arm strength last night.
We're going to be in for a long year if Portis doesn't get (stay) healthy because Brunell is not going to win us any games.
In his prime, MB was a pretty damn good QB. But he is maybe 50% of what he once was. Preseason or not, that interception last night was indicative of the kind of passes he made all 2004-5 season and down the stretch last year. Even his 4 completions had no zip on the ball. Arm strength, unfortunately, does not increase as the season goes on.

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are you serious? He threw for over 3000 yards, 23 TD's and only 10 Int with a QB rating over 85%. those are no scrub stats there are teams that would have killed for stats like that from there QB last year.

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He throws one bad INT and now he is washed up.

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he's gonna be 36. i'm sure he's lost quite a few steps and more.

that said, he's still the only pro starter we currently have, and this year will be the transition year to Campbell. Collins will be no more than a playbook coach at this point.

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this is crazy. The two or three balls that Brunell threw into the ground were suppose to be in the ground. No way could he complete the pass, so he did the right thing and threw it away. The INT, if you noticed, Brunell was trying to throw the ball high and out. If you watch the replay, Lloyd broke in, when Brunell thought he was breaking out. if Lloyd is there the ball is either caught or incomplete. No one knows who was wrong there. I think Brunell was putting the ball in a place where he thought Lloyd could catch it, or it was incomplete. The other balls he threw looked pretty good to me. good zip on the ones accross the middle to Moss, the one Lloyd made was a good ball where only he was going to catch it. If that ball is a little more towards the side line, the DB has a play on it. Stop putting so much in two series of plays. This offense is about rythym and that 1/2 a quarter isn't the deciding factor. Lets give the Brunell Bashing a rest for a few more weeks.

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I don't care if he throws the ball with zip or not. As long as he is making completions and moving the chains it works for me. He is smart QB and he will not put us in bad situations with stupid throws. That's like saying Campbell should start because he has the stronger arm.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;203497]For the first preseason game, things went pretty much as expected if you ask me.[/QUOTE]

You know, I was thinking about this earlier, and it occured to me -- do the Redskins EVER look good in preseason? Haven't they gone something like 1-3 for the past few years? Their opponents always look much smoother, more prepared. But it seems like the Skins are in total disarray for most of the preseason. They'll get it together for a game or so, but the panic button seems to get worn out in August for Washington fans.

I'll admit that I hit the button every now and then.

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Why not just hit the "Easy" button?

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;203649]You know, I was thinking about this earlier, and it occured to me -- do the Redskins EVER look good in preseason? Haven't they gone something like 1-3 for the past few years? Their opponents always look much smoother, more prepared. But it seems like the Skins are in total disarray for most of the preseason. They'll get it together for a game or so, but the panic button seems to get worn out in August for Washington fans.

I'll admit that I hit the button every now and then.[/QUOTE]

The Skins looked AWESOME a couple of years ago when they buried the Niners in Japan in the preseason opener. I can't seem to recall how we did in the playoffs that season though...oh wait.

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That was "Easy"

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i think brunell did alright...they looked pretty stable that first drive....right down the field...brunell even had one long range fairly decent throw...not toooo worried....Campbell Looked like a champ for his second year...great pocket presence, great mobility, tight spiral...he will be great someday!!

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Brunell will be fine, especially with our WR corps being much improved from a year ago.

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[quote=#56fanatic;203639] The INT, if you noticed, Brunell was trying to throw the ball high and out. If you watch the replay, Lloyd broke in, when Brunell thought he was breaking out. if Lloyd is there the ball is either caught or incomplete. [B]No one knows who was wrong there.[/B] I think Brunell was putting the ball in a place where he thought Lloyd could catch it, or it was incomplete.[/quote]

Brunell made a recorded comment stating that he had intended to throw the ball out of bounds, and he was angry at himself for not getting enough on it. This comment has been played about a dozen times on ESPN radio today. The interception didn't have anything to do with Brandon Lloyd.

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Yea immediately after the game he said he was trying to throw it out...he was being bull rushed and it was accross his body....cant really blame him or lloyd....just a great blitz....

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yeah Spurrier always made us look AWESOME in the preseason...

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I bet Patrick Ramsey would have been able to throw it away and not get an INT.


:headbange

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;203497]Oh boy here we go.

A couple of those throws were intentionally thrown away. That's how you throw the ball away inside the tackle box, rather than throwing it to a defensive lineman like Collins did.

The INT seemed to be a miscommunication and a busted play.

It's still way too early to get up in arms over the QB situation. They're still learning the offense and working on getting on the same page. For the first preseason game, things went pretty much as expected if you ask me. Yeah we could have done without the INT, but he did hit Moss and Lloyd with a couple of nice throws, and actually overthrew Lloyd on a deep ball (so much for the bum arm take).[/QUOTE]


Exactly, I am not a Brunell guy as you all well know but I want him throwing it away in pre-season when theres any kind of trouble, theres no need for heroics when the game doesn't count, I really don't want him out there in the pre-season, but because he needs time to learn this new offense as well as 2 new WR's we have no choice, I also don't want him making any tackles on INT's, if I am the coach I have him run off the field the second there is a turnover, the INT he threw is exactly why he needs to be playing in the pre-season, either Lloyd, or Brunell read it wrong I don't believe he was throwing it away, better to get the kinks out now than the reg season.

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This thread is insane. Everybody needs to take a deep breath. How can anyone say that Brunell lost a step when he ran the offense for 5 minutes?

Give me two tightends, the starting line, and Betts or Portis in the backfield. Run 50 gut. If they get shutdown on that, then I will worry. Otherwise, this panic over the first pre-season game is comical.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;203698]This thread is insane. Everybody needs to take a deep breath. How can anyone say that Brunell lost a step when he ran the offense for 5 minutes?

Give me two tightends, the starting line, and Betts or Portis in the backfield. Run 50 gut. If they get shutdown on that, then I will worry. Otherwise, this panic over the first pre-season game is comical.[/QUOTE]


I agree with you wholeheartedly. That was just the very first pre-season game, the team will regroup and play better Saturday night against the Jets. We will continue to improve as the pre-season unfolds. Rome wasn't built in a day, that's why I have learned to temper my summer expectations, not talk SB before we win some games. It's great to have high hopes and great expectations, but at the same time they must be simmered with reality.

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I think alot of the worry is that he'll (Brunell) return to "disgruntled" form again. The age old argument has it's legitimacy, but definitly not from a series or two last night.

If anything I'm excited because Jason Campbell looked like the opposite of "crazy legs" ramsey. His footwork was without the Ramsey-esque panic, and he had the poise that we've all been waiting for.

The climax of that game for me was JC's beautiful pass downfield to Ortega or whatever his name is.

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he's 36! what do you expect? of course he's not the player he used to be. if he was, they'd be making medicines from his blood. everyone's aware, including Brunell, and again, the transition is already underway.

until then, he's smart enough and not dead enough to carry this offense along.

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joe gibbs is great....

it may not work out this way... but the timing seems undeniable...

as brunell plays probably his last effective season in the nfl...
Jason Campbell is on the verge of his first effective season...

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nah i figure hes as good as he was last yr...there is rust lets just give him and the rest of the offense time to gel.....mark is a smart qb and he is whats going to get us over the hump and into the playoffs this yr like it or not
campbell on the other hand looked like a nfl quarterback as john madden said...his pocl\ket presence is impressive we shall see ...

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[quote=Southpaw;203671]Brunell made a recorded comment stating that he had intended to throw the ball out of bounds, and he was angry at himself for not getting enough on it. This comment has been played about a dozen times on ESPN radio today. The interception didn't have anything to do with Brandon Lloyd.[/quote]


Good job of pointing that out. I work during the day so I dont get to listen to a dozen of Brunells statements.