Questioning Shawn Springs Motives
 

Last night I was having discussions with some of my lifelong Redskins associates and the subject of Springs injury was front and center. While many other players went through various surgeries and rehabs during the off-season we were wondering why he was not amoung them considering the problem he's having now is a carry-over from the end of last season. Despite the fact he participated in all the mini-camps and the first pre-season game, the question becomes how many think he should have had [what was a lingering problem] corrected during the offseason as opposed to waiting for the situation to worsen and now perhaps cause him to miss valuable time.

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It's very possible it just didn't become a serious issue until recently.

Look at how long it took them to finally get John Hall's correct diagnosis.

Surgery is always a last resort in any situation. Muscle tears can always be corrected with rest and rehab, but complete tears need to be cut on. Depending on the location of tears, it's tough to diagnose them even with MRIs.

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Springs probably rehabed it to the point where it felt good then reaggrivated it. Gibbs players are though guys and I am sure minor pain is not unusual for him after 8+ years in the league.

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Yeah; i'd say its probaboly somthing that he and advisors told him would not be a problem once he felt good. This is a little bit different than the Coles toe problem where he knew it was going to be re-aggravated and still didnt want surgery (Because that could have ended his career if it went wrong or somthing). I'm assuming its just bad luck, no reason to question his motives I wouldnt think.

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I dont think anyone here is qualified to answer that question from a medical and insight perspective really. Good question though, I dont think Shawn avoided or didnt take any steps to not be 100%.

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The post just had an article on it. It said that he was healthy all offseason. He felt fine during all the practices and played the scrimmage and first pre-season game.

Their point was that if it had been a problem he would have addressed it.

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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs;205467]I dont think anyone here is qualified to answer that question from a medical and insight perspective really. Good question though, I dont think Shawn avoided or didnt take any steps to not be 100%.[/quote]

I'm not a doctor but I do have a pretty extensive medical background from doing insurance claims for 4+ years.

But you're right, ultimately it's the team doctors that make the call. If Springs required surgery months ago, he would have had it.

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It seems like if it was mid season he would play with it hoping not to do any more damage. It is wise to have this done now so hopefully it won't be a problem in the middle of the season or possibly the playoffs.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;205468]The post just had an article on it. It said that he was healthy all offseason. He felt fine during all the practices and played the scrimmage and first pre-season game.

Their point was that if it had been a problem he would have addressed it.[/QUOTE]


We must have missed the post article in reference to his injury. The subject only came up because if memory serves me correctly Shawn missed a game or two late last season, and groin injuries sometime take a long time to heal properly. It was more of whether his injury was properly diagnosed or if he thought rest would be sufficient to a surgical procedure to repair whatever was wrong.

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[quote=Longtimefan;205478]We must have missed the post article in reference to his injury. The subject only came up because if memory serves me correctly Shawn missed a game or two late last season, and groin injuries sometime take a long time to heal properly. It was more of whether his injury was properly diagnosed or if he thought rest would be sufficient to a surgical procedure to repair whatever was wrong.[/quote]


Gibbs talks about it:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/15/AR2006081500715.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

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I don't think Springs or Tyer or anyone else thought it would be an issue as they entered into training camp. Springs was hurting in January, but by the time OTA's came around he was healthy and ready to go again. It wasn't bothering him at that point so everyone probably thought the coast was clear. Now that they've gotten back to hitting and having more intense workouts, I'm sure it got reaggravated, and now they have addressed it properly.

I don't think anything could have been done any differently. Hindsight 20/20.

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I think he is just pulling a T.O.:food-smil

I'm not a doctor... but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

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oh, the plot thickens....

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;205481]I don't think Springs or Tyer or anyone else thought it would be an issue as they entered into training camp. Springs was hurting in January, but by the time OTA's came around he was healthy and ready to go again. It wasn't bothering him at that point so everyone probably thought the coast was clear. Now that they've gotten back to hitting and having more intense workouts, I'm sure it got reaggravated, and now they have addressed it properly.

I don't think anything could have been done any differently. Hindsight 20/20.[/QUOTE]


I don't want to suggest anything contrary to what you're saying, BUT he is a 30ish FA with a huge SB and we all know the history here.

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No need to question Springs, he's been a warrior for the two years he's been a Skin. He's three years into a $10 mil signing bonus, he's no TO.

Love the conspiracy theory angle though.

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It's his body. He has to do what he feels best. He doesn't have to have a motive. You would do whatever it takes to feel better fast!

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I put the responsibility squarely on Shawn Springs doctors. The last couple of seasons our staff has misdiagnosed several injuries and because of this the player was either pushed back to soon or it took longer than originally expected because they didn't do what was necessary because of an incorrect diagnoses.

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I'm not even sure what the conspiracy theory is here.

What would be his motives to putting off getting 100% healthy??

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[QUOTE=Skinsfanmania;206172]I put the responsibility squarely on Shawn Springs doctors. The last couple of seasons our staff has misdiagnosed several injuries and because of this the player was either pushed back to soon or it took longer than originally expected because they didn't do what was necessary because of an incorrect diagnoses.[/QUOTE]

Who?

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He's probably talking about Arrington and Hall.

Let's not overlook the fact that these guys also get second opinions from top specialists from all over the country.

It's not just team doctors at fault here. Medicine isn't an exact science either.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;206181]He's probably talking about Arrington and Hall.

Let's not overlook the fact that these guys also get second opinions from top specialists from all over the country.

It's not just team doctors at fault here. Medicine isn't an exact science either.[/QUOTE]

Yeah you're probably right and I figured that's what he was talking about. I think the point is off-base personally. It sounded like one of those 'the sky is falling' posts and I wanted to see if he could actually offer substantial support for his point.

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nothing here. he either thought (or was told) it'd get better with time, and it either wasn't actually a problem or didn't become a big enough one until recently. Doctors are trained to be cautious instead of demanding surgery for anyone and everyone at the drop of a hat, since there can be severe consequences.

springs also has an injury filled history and his contract was really cheap because of it. The fact that he got injured (again) is just part of the downside of that deal. He's done much more good than harm though and so far reports say he'll be ready to start before the 3rd or 4th game. It's not that bad and i don't believe he OR his doctors have done anything wrong or malicious.

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[quote=GoSkins!;205483]I think he is just pulling a T.O.:food-smil

I'm not a doctor... but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.[/quote]

Did he show up to practice in spandex and a BIKE helmet?