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Preseason 1991: Team Turmoil
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By: [B][URL="javascript:location.href='http://search.scout.com/a.z?s=71&p=4&c=1&search=1&sskey=%22' + escape('Rich Tandler') + '%22&sssiteid=71';"]Rich Tandler[/URL][/B] Editor-in-Chief Date: Aug 20, 2006 [B]In Joe Gibbs' next-to-last year with the Redskins, training camp and the presason games were, by any measure, terrible. However, there didn't seem to be much carryover into the 1991 regular season. (NOTE: This is required reading for anyone pressing the panic button--you know who you are.)[/B] If you asked 100 NFL coaches to make a list of they thought the major components to a successful season were, chances are that it wouldn’t take very long before 99 of them came up with some variation of, “We need to have a preseason free of distractions, no holdouts. And, while winning preseason games isn’t that important, we need to look sharp in those games.” Joe Gibbs certainly would have been counted among the vast majority here; in that respect, he was no different from any other head coach in the league. He was, however, different from the pack in that he was very adept at dealing with the distractions that were a part of life in the National Football League. Perhaps the ultimate disruption is an in-season work stoppage. There have been two such events in NFL history, in 1982 and again in 1987. Gibbs’ Redskins won the Super Bowl both of those seasons. Going into the 1991 season Gibbs’ ability to deal with turmoil was again put to the test. While no strike was being threatened, not all of the players were present in training camp. Most notably, starting quarterback Mark Rypien was absent due to a contract dispute. He missed ten days of camp before agreeing on a deal to report. Rypien wasn’t a fan favorite before his holdout and his late arrival to camp in Carlisle, Pennsylvania did nothing to endear him to the spectators at Biddle Field. Every errant throw—and there were a lot of those as Rypien wasn’t very sharp—drew boos from the stands, a sound almost never heard in camp. The spectators weren’t the only ones who expressed their displeasure with Rypien. A team official ripped Ryp to the Washington Post, saying that the quarterback was “in for a long year. This holdout was a terrible mistake. He has put all kinds of pressure on himself.” Rypien wasn’t the only one whose ability was being questioned. There was a core of players who had spearheaded the team through its run of success, players such as Art Monk, Jeff Bostic, Joe Jacoby and Monte Coleman. Many observers wondered aloud about how much they had left in the tank. One of those questioning the makeup of the team was owner Jack Kent Cooke. He challenged the makeup of Gibbs’ team, even to the point of saying that he preferred the team that Jimmy Johnson had put together in Dallas. The coach assured the owner that he could win with the group that he had. The team’s performance on the field during the preseason did nothing to justify the coach’s confidence. All phases of the game looked suspect as they were 1-2 going into the last preseason game against the New York Jets in Columbia, South Carolina. The exhibition should have been a final tune-up; instead, the performance was one of a unit that appeared to be in need of a major overhaul. In particularly bad shape was the secondary. In three quarters of play, with most of each team’s first units on the field, Jet quarterback Ken O’Brien completed 20 of 29 passes for 194 yards. Cornerback Martin Mayhew played so poorly he was benched in the second half. Defensive coordinator Richie Petitbon was characteristically blunt, saying, “We're just terrible right now.” Rypien didn’t have particularly bad numbers in his three quarters, but he did throw an interception that led to a New York field goal. "I think this is the poorest we've played since my first year here," Gibbs said after the 13-9 loss. "It's just an across-the-board thing. We're not smooth in any area. I don't know what else to say. We've been like this for a couple of weeks now, and I'm not sure why." Answers had to come quickly. In the hours after the game, the final cutdown had to be made. The team would open up against the Detroit Lions, who were practitioners of the Run-and-Shoot offense, a wide-open passing scheme that put pressure on the secondary, which just so happened to be the team’s worst-performing unit. Gibbs, as was his custom, fretted as he addressed the media in the days prior to the opener, lamenting everything from injuries to tough roster decisions to the poor preseason play. He did show a glint of optimism when he said, “Maybe we can bounce out of it. It's going to take a great effort every week, with us fighting our guts out. . . . Maybe that's the kind of year it's going to be.” Bounce out of it the Redskins did. A little over a week after their dreadful performance in South Carolina, they dominated the Lions 45-0. They never looked back, going 17-2 and winning Super Bowl XXVI. The MVP in that game? Mark Rypien, of course. |
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That has to be the Mantra.
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Things like this tell me not to lose hope YET!
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And historically, I've seen too many Joe Gibbs-coached teams look blah in the preseason and then light it up in the real season. In fact, during the Gibbs I era the Redskins went 0-4 in the 1982 preseason and 1-3 in the 1991 preseason. And guess what they did both years? Ah, they won the Super Bowl
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/26/AR2006082601004_2.html]Enough Alarm For a Wakeup Call[/url] |
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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs;208860]And historically, I've seen too many Joe Gibbs-coached teams look blah in the preseason and then light it up in the real season. In fact, during the Gibbs I era the Redskins went 0-4 in the 1982 preseason and 1-3 in the 1991 preseason. And guess what they did both years? Ah, they won the Super Bowl
[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/26/AR2006082601004_2.html"]Enough Alarm For a Wakeup Call[/URL][/quote] U serious!? I wasnt born till 86 so I WOULDENT KNOW! |
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For good measure, wow about a look at Gibbs' preseason record:
His preseason record in those nine playoff seasons is 16-21. In 1982, the Redskins won the Super Bowl after a 0-4 preseason. In 1991, they won the Super Bowl after a 1-3 preseason. Last year, the Redskins advanced to the second round of the playoffs after going 1-3 in preseason. In the only two losing seasons during Gibbs' tenure in Washington, the Redskins were 3-1 in 1988 and 3-2 in 2004. |
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[quote=pg86;208862]U serious!? I wasnt born till 86 so I WOULDENT KNOW![/quote]
You were born in 86 and you didn't know about all the team politics and internal turmoil before the 91 season? I mean you were 5 years old. You couldn't pick up a paper at 5? No that's ok, Joe Gibbs didn't know who Oliver North was at the height of the Iran Contra scandal, he was so absorbed in his job as coach. But surely you know all about the Iran Contra scandal in 1987 - you were after all a full year old. |
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I'm not one of those people who are ready to write the season off.
But I am Concerned. You can’t compare the 91 and 06 redskins. The 91 redskins team had been together for a long time. Bostic, Mckenzie, Jacoby, Simmons, Warren, Monk, Clark, Sanders, and Rypien(if you watch the 88 SB again, You will see him on the side lines. But he wasn’t active roster) were all on the superbowl team of 88. They had the same playbook, The same coaches and the same people next to them every year. The 06 Redskins team has two new WR’s. Their starting QB is playing like he did his first year with the redskins. Come on, Someone tell me he doesn’t look hurt? Last year he looked decent in the preseason. Not this year. All offensive players have to learn a new 700 page playbook. Cooley is kind of in between positions TE to H-back to what ever he is now. Our QB’s are not comfortable with the system. I’m worried that it might take them a year. I’m worried that Brunell is hiding an injury again. I’m worried that portis might have shoulder problems all year. Im worried that angelina jolies boobies are going to start sagging :( Life is horrible right now :( :( :( |
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Did the 91 team get beat by 41 in the preseason. It is not a good sign when you loose that bad. San Fran could of gave the Pats a better game then we did. Lets just hope that things change PDQ.
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[quote=Oakland Red;208866]You were born in 86 and you didn't know about all the team politics and internal turmoil before the 91 season? I mean you were 5 years old. You couldn't pick up a paper at 5?
No that's ok, Joe Gibbs didn't know who Oliver North was at the height of the Iran Contra scandal, he was so absorbed in his job as coach. But surely you know all about the Iran Contra scandal in 1987 - you were after all a full year old.[/quote] I didnt understand the politics at 5......that and..My mom had just got back from the gulf.....so yeah. I meant are u serious that we did so poorly in preseason and went on to win a superbowl! |
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Life is too short to worry about preseason but I tell you what, I hope Williams is experimenting or some-such. I know he subscribes to the "Attack and Attack Some More" mentality but come on, compensate a little for some of our weakness. Try a little "Bend But Don't Break."
When the Pats audibled we did nothing to counter it. Pretty stupid thing to do if you ask me, especially since they were picking us apart. Lord help us if we pull the sort of thing we pulled today when we face the Colts. Payton's gonna murder us. |
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[quote=saden1;208875]Life is too short to worry about preseason but I tell you what, I hope Williams is experimenting or some-such. I know he subscribes to the "Attack and Attack Some More" mentality but come on, compensate a little for some of our weakness. Try a little "Bend But Don't Break."
When the Pats audibled we did nothing to counter it. Pretty stupid thing to do if you ask me, especially since they were picking us apart. Lord help us if we pull the sort of thing we pulled today when we face the Colts. Payton's gonna murder us.[/quote] I think its a case of we couldent beat any afc team last year..........and the fact that the pats might just be that damn good like the colts... |
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if everyone here is in agreement that we have the best coaching staff of all time, then everyone needs to calm down. i remember 1991 and people were predicting doom for the skins because of the preseason. we are probably not as good as that team but we are definitely not as bad as last nights game, either
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All I know is, its 2006. Not 1991, and we've looked terrible. I know were not doomed and I could see us, just out of pure belief that we go out and roll the Vikings....but we've shown absolutley nothing on the feild to back up any positive thoughts, and thats where it counts.
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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;208894]All I know is, its 2006. Not 1991, and we've looked terrible. I know were not doomed and I could see us, just out of pure belief that we go out and roll the Vikings....but we've shown absolutley nothing on the feild to back up any positive thoughts, and thats where it counts.[/QUOTE]
The point is though, it doesn't matter what year it is, historically speaking, preseason is not a good measure as to what team you have in the regular season, at least according to Joe Gibbs. This is why Matty and myself say not to get all up in arms over a losing preseason. It's just like what we've been saying ever since Gibbs arrived back in Washington. Gibbs pays attention to so many little details that we obviously don't pay attention to. We're looking at the overall amount of points scored, allowed, etc... Gibbs and company look at the very fine details in preseason, because it is those very fine details that decide whether if your team is going to come out ahead by season's end or not. We might be getting our tails kicked 41-0 in preseason, but I'd rather this team get a butt whoopin' like that and to give our second stringers and "others" playing time so we can have type of depth come week one, rather than to put our first stringers in and our game plan displayed for all other teams to see, so that we can risk having injuries to our starters, our offense exposed, and back-ups who have not been evaluated properly. How many times have people on this board screamed the sky is falling, only to have egg on their face? Quite a bit in Gibbs II. Just relax and prepare for the season opener. |
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Going 0 for 4 is not a good predictor of how the team will perform in the regular season, in spite of what happened in '91. And yes, the whole preseason isn't a good predictor either. That cliche "It matters not if you win or lose, but how you play the game" was invented for preseason. How they are playing the game is the concern.
The coaches aren't game planning the opponents. They call plays to see how individuals cope in a game situation, situations they will never set up in a real game. They, and we, are looking for execution. I'm looking for blocking. Does the QB get 3 seconds to make a play? Do the running backs average 4+ yards per carry? Do the receivers hang on to the ball? Is the first team D near the same level as last season? Can the new guys in the secondary play? I'm not seeing a lot of that. I wouldn't care about 0-3 if I saw [I]something[/I]. I don't see preseason play on a par with Dallas or Philadelphia. The Giants, playing poorly, did enough to win two games. McNabb, with no one to throw to, has a preseason 112 QB rating. With this division this year, it helps to get off to a fast start. To get to the Super Bowl, you have to win the division [I]and[/I] get at least one home playoff game. Yeah, I know, it didn't help the Giants last year; but they weren't the "real" division champs. So, that's my distress, that it looks like it might take some time to shake things out when I hoped for a fast start. Wide open offenses poorly executed won't get you points. I like the encouraging talk, but it's cheap. What happened in '91 shows what can happen. That's no guarantee that it [I]will[/I]. The best predictor is play in the field. The sky isn't falling, but the sun ain't shining either. I probably sound like a P-O'd season ticket holder with 3 grand invested in this team. [I]"The past doesn't buy you much."[/I] -- Coach-in-chief Joe Gibbs |
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[QUOTE=skinsguy;208896]The point is though, it doesn't matter what year it is, historically speaking, preseason is not a good measure as to what team you have in the regular season, at least according to Joe Gibbs. This is why Matty and myself say not to get all up in arms over a losing preseason. It's just like what we've been saying ever since Gibbs arrived back in Washington. Gibbs pays attention to so many little details that we obviously don't pay attention to. We're looking at the overall amount of points scored, allowed, etc... Gibbs and company look at the very fine details in preseason, because it is those very fine details that decide whether if your team is going to come out ahead by season's end or not. We might be getting our tails kicked 41-0 in preseason, but I'd rather this team get a butt whoopin' like that and to give our second stringers and "others" playing time so we can have type of depth come week one, rather than to put our first stringers in and our game plan displayed for all other teams to see, so that we can risk having injuries to our starters, our offense exposed, and back-ups who have not been evaluated properly.
How many times have people on this board screamed the sky is falling, only to have egg on their face? Quite a bit in Gibbs II. Just relax and prepare for the season opener.[/QUOTE] I know, I understand your position. A very very small part of me wants to think its ok because of the past preseason records, and i'll tell myself that somtimes, but I just dont see anything on the feild that is making me feel better. After Cinci I was just like whatever, I really dont care its just preaseason. After the Jets, I was concerned, not worried. Now I'm worried. |
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Bet this wouldn't have happened if we had "56" on the defense!
(Hey, at a time like this, we could use a joke!) |
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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs;208860]And historically, I've seen too many Joe Gibbs-coached teams look blah in the preseason and then light it up in the real season. In fact, during the Gibbs I era the Redskins went 0-4 in the 1982 preseason and 1-3 in the 1991 preseason. And guess what they did both years? Ah, they won the Super Bowl
[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/26/AR2006082601004_2.html"]Enough Alarm For a Wakeup Call[/URL][/quote] the difference is that gibbs isn't calling the plays now, al saunders is |
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Let's hope history repeats itself. We all had such hope before preseason. Maybe preseason is merely a smokescreen, and the Skins will come out on fire in September.
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Are other teams game planning and we are not? I don't think so... but I could be wrong. We look weak in all phases, all the time. So maybe it's confidence and effort and hustle--things that we can turn on in the first game. We know that the defensive system works, and it's not new to the main players. And we're still getting housed, so it may be more mental and lack of a full play book.
But this offense has shown NOTHING. And it's new. THe 91 offense was not. So that is a real worry, IMO. Gibbs is famously paranoid about showing things in preseason or open practices, so that may play into it (I hope!), but it's hard to feel good about things. |
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Well I appreciate this post. But you have got to keep one thing in mind. The NFL has changed alot since 1991...ie salary cap and not stashing players on ir and not to mention the schedule we benefited from that year. I am a little worried about what I have seen thus far in the preseason. Yes I know its preseason but you have got to have a little continuity heading into this season with all of the free agents we added. Also here is something else to keep in mind..........remember these three names mark carrier bruce smith jeff george deion sanders...that was the last time snyder opened his checkbook and what happened that season we stunk up the joint. Now lets move forward to 2005....hmmmmm....adam archelata (who got beat by every tight end the pats had last night) andre carter ( i think his best football is behind him) bradon lloyd (not sure about that one) and antwaan randle el ( won a superbowl last year and got his millions from synder) the similarities are there and if you ask me the results look to be the same thus far. just something to think about
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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;208908]I know, I understand your position. A very very small part of me wants to think its ok because of the past preseason records, and i'll tell myself that somtimes, but I just dont see anything on the feild that is making me feel better. After Cinci I was just like whatever, I really dont care its just preaseason. After the Jets, I was concerned, not worried. Now I'm worried.[/QUOTE]
Definitely understandable. I suppose it's also a combination of the skins having to learn a new offense, keeping it "simple", and maybe the absence of Portis has more effect on the offense than what we thought it would. I'm watching a bit of the game right now, and there isn't any serious game planning that I see. I can tell you a big difference between the preseason and the regular season. Gibbs isn't likely to worry about halftime adjustments during the preseason. |
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History is doomed to repeat itself at somepoint, 2. The colts and the Steelers had a terrible preseason last year,3. Last time the skins had a great preseason the coaches name was spurrier and thats all ima say about that, 4. 0-4 in the AFC last year, 5. none of these guys are nfc teams, 6. saunders plays took our terrible trent green and got him a pro bowl out of it, 7. the pats are 2 time superbowl champs and may just be that damn good period, 8. colts vs bengals 0-38 14-2 in the season 0-4 in the preseason, 9. 91 redskskins predicted to finish one of the worst in the nfl...win the superbowl, 10. Gibbs has always sucked in the preseason, 11. what team do u know that had a great preseason had a great regular season??? 12. Antwaan randle el aint getting enough pt...and its randle el not ward that snyder went out and brought! 13. Gibbs has won superbowls with 3 different qbs, Qbs who were said to be not nfl material basically! I meaen who in the fuck was Doug Williams? Remember the only great qb they had that year on paper was jay shroduer (or whatever his name is lol)
Finally, When Brunell goes down, Jason Cambell ironicly wears number 17..., and not only that I know this has nothing to do with it but the national championship that year Should of been SC Vs Auburn. I believe it will be Cambell and betts and moss....Im not really worried anymore...I dont think the ravens can win thursday either so yeah |
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redskins came out in 1991 after not winning a preseason game and just beat the holy hell out of detroit 45-0,in front of the entire nation because it was on tnt!!!!i remember brian mitchell ran a punt back like 80 yards for a td.
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I am not worried. Preseason means nothing. Gibbs knows the purpose of preseason. He will have the team ready for the Vikings.
We have enough quality veterans on this team to know how to use the preseason to prepare for the regular season games. As has been written in many posts, we are playing vanilla offense and defense and showing very little. The most important thing is to let the veterans have a few reps and avoid injury to key players. |
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