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What is the deal? As a long time loyal Skins fan, I am accustomed to negative press regarding my beloved Skins. However, I have yet to hear anybody come out and endorse DC's favorite son's to do.....................anything this season. I prefer to be the Dog, but this is crazy. I can forgive ninnies like Sean Salisbury, and Pasta as "they know not what they say". Disappointingly, my man Jaws, and John Clayton have yet to be counted among the faithful?????????? I hear most suggest we will be basement of the division, or at least sub-basement. Has pre-season become that important? if so, the Raiders should kick ass! Are we the only ones that see the personnel, and coaching staff? I hear Cowboys to go all the way.....................errr...........how? The best quote I have heard in some time comes from a local sports guy I can pull out of Miami (if the weather is right). He say, "I have watched Drew Bledsoe for 10 years. You smack him a couple of times in the first half, and he's cross-dressin' by half time".

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The so called experts have bitten hard on the preseason.

Funny how they always tell us that the preseason doesn't matter, but they sure do take it all in hook, line and sinker.

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These are the same experts who say things like "The Eagles are better off with TO gone" and then in the next paragraph "TO makes Dallas a Superbowl level team". Their idiocy knows no bounds.

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[quote=FRPLG;212955]These are the same experts who say things like "The Eagles are better off with TO gone" and then in the next paragraph "TO makes Dallas a Superbowl level team". Their idiocy knows no bounds.[/quote]

excellent point. oh the absurdity!

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I much prefer it this way. Under the radar is way better than over-hyped. Plus, it's bulliten board material.

And I agree--what do these morons know anyway? They never run an article at the end of the year saying how well they picked things, do they?

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Redskins were picked to win on Monday night.

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"I have watched Drew Bledsoe for 10 years. You smack him a couple of times in the first half, and he's cross-dressin' by half time".
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funny...too funny. I woke real early the other morning and caught some show on nfl network. It was i guess there season preview and they picked to take up the rear of the nfc east...and those son's of b*tches had the nerve to say that the nfc east wasnt one of the top three hardest divisons in the nfl. Whatever they are smoking i wish i had some...because that shit must be the chronic.

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Bill Simmons also tried to say that the NFC East wasn't really the toughest division, but he offered no answer to who it really is.

It got me thinking about it, and maybe the NFCE doesn't have the best teams in the NFL, or even the NFC, but can any of the teams be considered weak? [I]No[/I]. Are any of the teams push-overs? [I]No[/I]. As it stands now, would any coach in the NFL count out an NFCE team before they play them? [I]No.[/I]

Look at each {arguably} the weakest team(s) in each other division: [B]NFC [/B]North - Green Bay, Detroit; West - San Fran, St Louis; South - New Orleans [B]AFC[/B] East - Jets, Buffalo; North - Cleveland; West - Oakland; South - Houston, Tennessee.
Can you really say that any of the NFC East teams wouldn't be in the mix for the top team if it was in one of these divisions? [I][B]NO![/B][/I]

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all this nonsense talk ends monday night. right now everyone is an "expert". we will see how many stand up at the end of the season and say " i was wrong about them skins"

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riiight...Once we are 4-0 (having hog tied the cowpukes next sun night) all these douchebags will be scratching their heads with an "aw shucks" grin and jump on the bandwagon but still undercut us any chance they get. Happens every year. F' em all.
Dallas Sucks

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Jason Whitlock still believes in the Skins (he started believing last season). This is from his Page 2 article:

[I][B]5. I still have high expectations for Al Saunders and the Redskins' offense[/B].

A lot of people are jumping off the Redskins bandwagon because Washington's first-team offense didn't score a point in the preseason. I'm not jumping.

Saunders, Washington's new offensive coordinator, is a glory hound, and I didn't like the way he exited Kansas City. He basically accused Lamar Hunt of reneging on a pledge to name him successor to Dick Vermeil. I don't believe Hunt or general manager Carl Peterson ever made that pledge.

Having said all of that, Saunders knows how to coordinate an offense. The Redskins will score points with or without Clinton Portis. Washington has a capable backup running back in Ladell Betts, a talented receiving corps, a solid offensive line and an experienced quarterback.

I'll be shocked if the Redskins don't score 30 points on "Monday Night Football."[/I]

here's the link
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/060907]ESPN.com: Page 2 : Regrets, Favre's had a few[/url]

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Gil Brandt, who I really respect a lot, but some really gruesome statistics on preseason out there. He said while the score and outcome don't matter, the way you play the game really does. Execution is key, having some sort of momentum moving into the system is also really nice. Players know it's preseason, but they still start questioning.

The Super Bowl champs over the last 13ish seasons are 39-13 in the preseason. It was about a week or week and a half ago, don't remember everything. While preseason "means" nothing, you should never overlook just complete lack of production like the Redskins saw. I'm sorry, we were Vanilla, but so was everyone else. They had no problems scoring. Simple throws, etc.

Hopefully our offense can turn it on with a switch, but I doubt it. This division top to bottom will be seperated by no more than 3 games. If you told me the Redskins won it at 10-6 or 11-5 (doubt any team in our div goes 11-5) or lost it at 8-8 or 7-9. I wouldn't be the least bit suprised either way.

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here's a little fact about preseason...the last time a joe gibbs coached team started 0-4 in the preseason...well as a redskins fan you should know well the rest is history. I think that year we won our first 12 games. the preseason means absolutely nothing. remember spurrier's first year here i think we were like 3-1 or maybe 4-0 in the preseason and that didnt matter one bit once the season started. i think we finished 7-9 that year i am speaking of with the 'ol ball coach.

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38-17 washington over minn...and 17 is me being a nice guy........big MW, ST, AND AA are going to run over people all game long......

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artmonkdrillz...i think he is the lone crusader

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The preseason didn't seem to matter much to Pittsburgh last night.

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There's one way for sure to put an end to all the negative publicity, and that is to win games.

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I wouldn't say the pre-season means 'absolutely nothing'...I think that's taking things to the other extreme as well. Just like putting all your stock in preseason isn't good either. I think I'd prefer somewhere in the middle. Preseason is an evalutation time. Talent, execution, skill, as well as attitude.

Brunell did come around some toward the end, but I'm a little nervous.

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All the people bemoaning our offensive play are looking past some things. I will grant that the lack of production COULD be a concern. In fact if our offense had been vanilla I would be concerned. But our offense wasn't even vanilla in pre-season. It wasn't even a system really. According to coaches they actually treated the games like practice. Essentially putting guys in positions and situations to see what they can do. Doing so with little regard for game situation et al. If we had gone out and tried to run a system in those games I would be very worried. Even a vanilla system. As it is we did not. We went out and worked on plays. We'd a run a play one direction then run the other direction on the next play. One game we didn't max protect but like 2 or 3 times to whole game. We left the o-line all on islands just to work on that aspect. We didn't run any system so why should we me worried when the O looked like poo?

When Joe Gibbs comes out to a post game conference like after the Patriots game and looks like absolutely nothing happened that should tell you something. Either the old man is crazy or he knows that what happened wasn't a real indication of anything.

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sean salisbury gave us some love when I was watching ESPN the other day...I think he said we would win the division or at least make the playoffs

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[quote=FRPLG;213056]All the people bemoaning our offensive play are looking past some things. I will grant that the lack of production COULD be a concern. In fact if our offense had been vanilla I would be concerned. But our offense wasn't even vanilla in pre-season. It wasn't even a system really. According to coaches they actually treated the games like practice. Essentially putting guys in positions and situations to see what they can do. Doing so with little regard for game situation et al. If we had gone out and tried to run a system in those games I would be very worried. Even a vanilla system. As it is we did not. We went out and worked on plays. We'd a run a play one direction then run the other direction on the next play. One game we didn't max protect but like 2 or 3 times to whole game. We left the o-line all on islands just to work on that aspect. We didn't run any system so why should we me worried when the O looked like poo?

When Joe Gibbs comes out to a post game conference like after the Patriots game and looks like absolutely nothing happened that should tell you something. Either the old man is crazy or he knows that what happened wasn't a real indication of anything.[/quote]

You hit the nail right on the head.

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perhaps the biggest benifit to our preseaon is Minnesota has absolutely NO gametape to watch on us. We have shown NOTHING. they are preparing for us with out knowing what our offense will be throwing at them. Sure they can go and look at KC film but our skill players are what will be the difference. They have never seen this new scheme with our players running it. They are in for a rude awakening come spt.11. They have no clue what is about to happen to them. whooohoooo i am getting excited. Gibbs is no fool ladies and gentlemen and he has set a huge trap for the vikes and they are about to walk into a shit storm. Moss, lloyd,randle el, cooley, portis(god willing), ducket,betts, patten, and the list goes on. Come get some Minnesota!

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Yeah, we need to beat the Vikings before anyone will shut up, at least for a few days. Dan Patrick just said on his national radio show that the Skins will lose to the Vikings and Joe Gibbs quickly will be on the hot seat. He ridiculed the Skins for playing Portis in the preseason.
Only was to stop Patrick and others is to win.

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ha ha. Dan Patrick ridiculed Gibbs for playing Portis in the preseason? did he ridicule all the other teams that played their proven RBs? I bet he didn't...

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Dan Patrick is a dumb sh*t. Just everyone who works for ESPN on camera is. I can count on one hand the people who do good work for that company. Gammons used to, Mortensen is quality, Clayton does a good job, Tom Jackson is only sane person there when it comes to TO. That's it. I got 4. Now on the other hand and feet I can count all the dumbasses. I wont bother lisiting those 15 or 20 idiots.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;213084]Dan Patrick is a dumb sh*t. Just everyone who works for ESPN on camera is. I can count on one hand the people who do good work for that company. Gammons used to, Mortensen is quality, Clayton does a good job, Tom Jackson is only sane person there when it comes to TO. That's it. I got 4. Now on the other hand and feet I can count all the dumbasses. I wont bother lisiting those 15 or 20 idiots.[/QUOTE]

Ouch. What about Jaws, Hodge, Theismann, TAFKAS, Trey Wingo...

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you are an on-air personality taf?????? yyyeeeaaahhhhhh bbbooooyyyyyy!

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[quote=TAFKAS;213089]Ouch. What about Jaws, Hodge, Theismann, TAFKAS, Trey Wingo...[/quote]

TAFKAS is way too biased. How did they even hire that guy? Never has anything good to say about us. Those other guys are alright.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;213089]Ouch. What about Jaws, Hodge, Theismann, TAFKAS, Trey Wingo...[/QUOTE]

I'll give you Jaws and that's it. Notice I was careful to only reference on-air talent. Nothing was said or inferred about the cogs who make the place work. Of course if TAFKAS can get a job there what does that say?

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;213091]TAFKAS is way too biased. How did they even hire that guy? Never has anything good to say about us. Those other guys are alright.[/QUOTE]

Who said anything about That Guy? No one hired him.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;213094]I'll give you Jaws and that's it. Notice I was careful to only reference on-air talent. Nothing was said or inferred about the cogs who make the place work. Of course if TAFKAS can get a job there what does that say?[/QUOTE]

I tried AMD's scented oil ritual and that's how I got hired here.

On a personal level I've only met a few on-air people quite honestly. But I do like Wingo. And Brian Kenny. You can have Mike Greenberg.

It's interesting though. I mean it applies to all teams but I'll use the Redskins as an example. But it's funny how on the one hand people here can say "oh we're awful, preseason exposed all our flaws. Brunell is done, Portis is hurt worse than we're being told." And so on. But no "outsider" can say those same things. It's like Brud can yell at his kid, but I can't. Or BSB and I can jokingly talk in some thick Indian accent but Matty and Schneed can't. Not the greatest analogies, but I think you get the idea.

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I think that the core of this board has grown into the realization that we honestly know more than just about every talking head on any major sports network. They simply dont have the time to know every little thing we do. When someone around here says something that I disagree with I will say so but I will have respect for that. When Dan freaking Patrick, who probably hasn't watched more than 7 plays by the skins this whole preseason, says we stink I take serious umbrage. Dont be hating or lovin' if you are uniformed. Most of these guys are woefully uninformed.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;213107]I think that the core of this board has grown into the realization that we honestly know more than just about every talking head on any major sports network. They simply dont have the time to know every little thing we do. When someone around here says something that I disagree with I will say so but I will have respect for that. When Dan freaking Patrick, who probably hasn't watched more than 7 plays by the skins this whole preseason, says we stink I take serious umbrage. Dont be hating or lovin' if you are uniformed. Most of these guys are woefully uninformed.[/QUOTE]

I hear what you're saying. I mean there's a difference between a Ron Jaworski who spends hours pouring over tapes, analyzing roster moves, studying games, etc. or a Dan Patrick who does his show in his bath robe from a studio in his home (you never heard that from me though, if anyone asks EEich told you about that)

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[quote=Hog1;212947]What is the deal? As a long time loyal Skins fan, I am accustomed to negative press regarding my beloved Skins. However, I have yet to hear anybody come out and endorse DC's favorite son's to do.....................anything this season. I prefer to be the Dog, but this is crazy. I can forgive ninnies like Sean Salisbury, and Pasta as "they know not what they say". Disappointingly, my man Jaws, and John Clayton have yet to be counted among the faithful?????????? I hear most suggest we will be basement of the division, or at least sub-basement. Has pre-season become that important? if so, the Raiders should kick ass! Are we the only ones that see the personnel, and coaching staff? I hear Cowboys to go all the way.....................errr...........how? The best quote I have heard in some time comes from a local sports guy I can pull out of Miami (if the weather is right). He say, "I have watched Drew Bledsoe for 10 years. You smack him a couple of times in the first half, and he's cross-dressin' by half time".[/quote]

They ain't gotta love us, F*** them. We'll take the league by storm and ask questions later.

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[quote=TAFKAS;213108]I hear what you're saying. I mean there's a difference between a Ron Jaworski who spends hours pouring over tapes, analyzing roster moves, studying games, etc. or a Dan Patrick who does his show in his bath robe from a studio in his home (you never heard that from me though, if anyone asks EEich told you about that)[/quote]


Hahaha Ron Jaworski, he makes me laugh.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;213108]I hear what you're saying. I mean there's a difference between a Ron Jaworski who spends hours pouring over tapes, analyzing roster moves, studying games, etc. or a Dan Patrick who does his show in his bath robe from a studio in his home (you never heard that from me though, if anyone asks EEich told you about that)[/QUOTE]

Jaws got game. He brings it every week. I respect what he says.

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[quote=FRPLG;213107]I think that the core of this board has grown into the realization that we honestly know more than just about every talking head on any major sports network. They simply dont have the time to know every little thing we do. When someone around here says something that I disagree with I will say so but I will have respect for that. When Dan freaking Patrick, who probably hasn't watched more than 7 plays by the skins this whole preseason, says we stink I take serious umbrage. Dont be hating or lovin' if you are uniformed. Most of these guys are woefully uninformed.[/quote]

I think that makes two nails on the head for you today.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;213096]Who said anything about That Guy? No one hired him.[/QUOTE]

Wait, That Guy or ThatGuy?

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[QUOTE=Daseal;213021]Gil Brandt, who I really respect a lot, but some really gruesome statistics on preseason out there. He said while the score and outcome don't matter, the way you play the game really does. Execution is key, having some sort of momentum moving into the system is also really nice. Players know it's preseason, but they still start questioning.

The Super Bowl champs over the last 13ish seasons are 39-13 in the preseason. It was about a week or week and a half ago, don't remember everything. While preseason "means" nothing, you should never overlook just complete lack of production like the Redskins saw. I'm sorry, we were Vanilla, but so was everyone else. They had no problems scoring. Simple throws, etc.

Hopefully our offense can turn it on with a switch, but I doubt it. This division top to bottom will be seperated by no more than 3 games. If you told me the Redskins won it at 10-6 or 11-5 (doubt any team in our div goes 11-5) or lost it at 8-8 or 7-9. I wouldn't be the least bit suprised either way.[/QUOTE]


Daseal, my sentiments exactly. You and I are apparently the only ones on this board who feel that way. Everybody points to the 0-4 record in 1982 -- I doubt those Redskins looked as woefully inept as the '06 exhibition Skins looked.

Sometimes, we had people excusing their performance because of simple, vanilla schemes, while at the same time chalking the lack of productivity to a complex, 700-page playbook. Which is it folks?

I hope we light it up Monday night for 38 points as much as anyone here. I just don't think that's realistic. We'll beat the Vikings, I'm pretty sure of that. But it likely won't be a pretty win -- I'm thinking lots of field goals, maybe a defensive touchdown, but maddening three-and-outs, and some sloppy special teams kick coverage.

For me, the key this year was to stay healthy. Shawn Springs, Clinton Portis, Cornelius Griffin, and Philip Daniels -- all very key players -- were injured before the third preseason game.

I'll be ecstatic with an 11-5 record, but not surprised at all if we're 8-8 by season's end.

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What must not be forgotten here is that these guys are expressing their opinion. Opinion's are like a**holes. everybody's got one. Many of these guys of which we speak are always biased against the Redskins anyway, and you couple that bias with what we saw during the preseason and you have fuel for the fire. Most who think they know just a little about football that watched the Redskins play the last four weeks would hardly have a positive opinion. So we can just chalk it up by asuming they're basing their opinion on just that. Now all we have to do is win and prove them all wrong.