Time to bench Brunell? (Mega Man Merge)
 

I don't care what his fan's say
He SUCKS!

Put Campbell in. What's to lose?

Re: Bench Brunell
 

goddamn right all he does is throw to runningbacks he is really pissing me off and don't say it is the pass rush because alot of quarterbacks can hang in there a make good throws and not wait until there is 30 seconds left to make a decent throw i want him out a.s.a.p

Re: Bench Brunell
 

I'm almost there with ya, I'll give him one more week against the texans, if he they lose to David Carr, I'd say try Campbell.

Re: Bench Brunell
 

I'm not even sure what good it would do at this point. The run AND pass blocking both stink right now. The offense has issues across the board.

Re: Bench Brunell
 

Yeah I'm pretty much on this bandwagon as well. He just looked beyond repair, I think he might be hurt.

Re: Bench Brunell
 

Why give the game in the near future we have a shot at to the veteran. Let Campbell get experience.

Re: Bench Brunell
 

One more week?!!...if they lose?!!!...why wait?

Re: Bench Brunell
 

YOu know... he does suck...

And while I'm good and drunk... So does our entire O line. F 'em all. I'd really like to see a pass playwhere a guy can just stand there for 3 seconds or so...

But even when Brunell has time... He's such a pussy he throws it away... and what the fuck is with running the ball at the end of the first half, and not calling a Timeout back by 10 and not getting the ball back in the second half???

We suck. Fuck this shit... Get your hopes up guys... were gonna come out smelling like dirty shitty ass and make all of our fans look stupid for sticking by us and buying all of our bullshit jerseys (of guys who don't stay on the fucking team for more than 2 years anyway) and making us the 2nd most valuble sports organization in the fucking world...

SUCK MY DRUNK FUCKING ASS!!!!

Re: Bench Brunell
 

[quote=Gmanc711;216385]Yeah I'm pretty much on this bandwagon as well. He just looked beyond repair, I think he might be hurt.[/quote]
might be hurt?...i dont think so...thats brunell

Time to bench Brunell?
 

vote and discuss

Re: Bench Brunell
 

i say screw al saunders, screw adam archeletta screw andre carter and especially screw mark brunell.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

done and done...

he hasnt done anything spectacular. He's so afraid of throwing a TO he doesn't try to make anything happen when he should. We paid top dollar for our recievers and when he decides not to feed the stands he can't hit them..

I'd bench some of our O linemen too, though...

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

maybe we should try to get farve to come over or maybe just start campbell

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

its painful to watch brunell

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

start campbell all i've seen brunnell do is manage a game well and I think that can be taught!

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

where do you weigh in at matty?

Re: Bench Brunell
 

The whole offense looks out of synch right now, even to the point that I don't know if Gibbs and Saunders have really figured out how they playcalling will work. My gut is that there were several instances today, and on Monday where Gibbs wanted to overrule a Saunders call but was reluctant to. But Dockery can't pass block, the right side can't run block. Betts and Duckett look like they're running in slow motion (no more talk about Portis being just a system back please); the receivers are running 8 yard routes on 3rd and 9; Cooley is not cool, he's just ey (thank you Gmanc711 for that fine piece of writing there); Brunell is throwing floaters...nothing is clicking right now.

And I suppose the easy answer is put in a QB with absolutely no game experience because we're 0-2. He'll probably get destroyed though, it would potentially be more damaging to his psyche to do that to him. Then again, who knows. He does seem a lot tougher mentally than a certain other young QB we just traded away this offseason.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

Tonight was horrible but I'm trying to look at the entire picture here.

The OL was awful. It was a jail break everytime Brunell dropped back.

The playcalling was subpar. Run on first down, run on second, bingo third and long.

And what's with all the outside runs? Just doesn't seem to mesh very well with the kind of guys we have up front. I guess the counters and power runs are gone. :(

The offense as a whole from the coaches on down needs improving. I really don't see where replacing one guy is going to make any real difference right now.

Our best shot at improving is to ride this out for a few more weeks at least.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

Right now I'm at the wait another week point. Brunell has played pretty poorly the past two games, but if he stinks it up against the Texans it will just confirm that he sucks, really really bad. I'm willing to give him a chance just because he hasn't had Portis back there the past two games. If he stinks it up next week vs. the Texans, it's time to put in Campbell. Brunell will either be retired, playing for another team, or being our backup quarterback after this season, because there's no way in hell we're going to sit Jason Campbell for 3 seasons in a row to give him time to learn. If Brunell stinks it up next week, put in Campbell, let him take his lumps and learn along the way.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

I'll post what I wrote in another thread:

The whole offense looks out of synch right now, even to the point that I don't know if Gibbs and Saunders have really figured out how they playcalling will work. My gut is that there were several instances today, and on Monday where Gibbs wanted to overrule a Saunders call but was reluctant to. But Dockery can't pass block, the right side can't run block. Betts and Duckett look like they're running in slow motion (no more talk about Portis being just a system back please); the receivers are running 8 yard routes on 3rd and 9; Cooley is not cool, he's just ey (thank you Gmanc711 for that fine piece of writing there); Brunell is throwing floaters...nothing is clicking right now.

And I suppose the easy answer is put in a QB with absolutely no game experience because we're 0-2. I think Campbell will get destroyed out there, it would potentially be more damaging to his psyche to do that to him. Then again, who knows. He does seem a lot tougher mentally than a certain other young QB we just traded away this offseason.

One thing I would do is make JC the backup for all games, not Collins. Maybe you do like the Titans are doing with Vince Young. Let Campbell play a couple of series. Especially if the game is out of hand. I don't think he's ready to start though, especially the way the team is as a whole right now.

Re: Bench Brunell
 

cambell has the agility to make rushers miss and the arm to get the pass where it needs to be. archuleta sucks and so does andre carter wtf man! i am pissed!

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

T,

Im not so sure that alot of the pass rush isn't caused by the QB play. Not all of it, but he hangs on too long alot of the time and wears out his O-line. And throwing a pick when they bring 8 guys and you have 3 guys running routes in unnacceptable...(even though it got called back). You should have a slant route open and running for 6.

They know he's not that fast and they took advantage to the max...

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

[QUOTE=canthetuna;216422]T,

Im not so sure that alot of the pass rush isn't caused by the QB play. Not all of it, but he hangs on too long alot of the time and wears out his O-line. And throwing a pick when they bring 8 guys and you have 3 guys running routes in unnacceptable...(even though it got called back). You should have a slant route open and running for 6.

They know he's not that fast and they took advantage to the max...[/QUOTE]

Good points. I think Dockery has regressed big time and I've never been a huge fan of Samuels admittedly.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

I'm really starting to lose paitence. I mean the offensive line did not play well, I'm not going to let them off the hook here....

But damn, Brunell just looked awful. I mean when Dallas blitzes 8 guys, SOMEONE has to be open...SOMEONE is one on one, there has to be a check route or something. I mean he missed open recivers, he taking too long in the pocket, he's playing scared, he would throw the ball too quickly somtimes. Overall he just dosent look comfrotable at all; and really looks like he's hurt somewhere in there.

Were still 0-2, so I dont really know what to say; I dont know first hand how Campbell has grasped this offense and if putting him out there would be feeding him to the woods, so I could understand Brunell being in there another short string of games (not that I think he desreves to be)...but I can tolerate him starting next week...but if were in Houston struggling with him, I put Campbell in before the games end and we start things with him. In addition, if in the middle of October were 2-5...its Campbell time right there.

Someone mentioned Favre...and I am not the biggest fan of him; but I've heard crazier things and Snyder might be the only owner in the leauge who'd do that.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

I give him one more half against Houston... if we're looking the same against that Defense, a shakeup is needed (even if it's not totally on the QB, a change may spark something).

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

i'll agree I've scratched my head over the Samuels pro-bowls a time or two...
Especially last year in the cheifs game, and I've always thought dockery was a bad player... flat out.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

The chance of winning the division is slowly slipping away. With the NFC additions in FA and other teams utilizing the draft wiser than the skins have playoffs spots rather Wildcard is going to go fast and to teams that will probably have 10 wins. I am not seeing how we can be one of those teams.

Benching Brunell- [B]is[/B] throwing in the towel for this season. There is no hope without him this early. That is unsatisfactory to me.

To do that,what are they telling players by that action? Thanks for all the hard work you put in but this club is going nowhere fast.

Sure it be good/bad if Brunell would announce Monday that he is retiring. It would do more probably for this team only for the cap.

Next year is a long way off to sit through all the humiliation from peers and simply watching the skins play. This isnt even the tough part of the schedule mind you.

This is just terrible- to have so much money into the team and so many posistions still needed. I think we need quality run stopping DT's, OL(LG,C,wut is going on with our Tackles?, and hardest of all is...Al to call plays that can be executed.

He may be knowledgable I will give him that but it is evident he has no insight as to the what is demanded from Mark and the line. Bringing him in seems to have given him free reign to change our identity. This has always been a run first team, I am so embarrassed right now how the cards are fallling. Looking at Marks history he in his Heyday was a rollout/mobile passer. Reading coverages and looking downfield has never been his strong points. In this offense that is what is being asked 3,4,5 wide no dumpoffs is ridiculous. Its worse b/c O-Line is being bombarded is blitzes but sadly what is reoccuring for a reason is they simply are guilty on those 3 or 4 man rushes. Nothing will change to get us back on track this year, period

Next week@ Texans 1pm ET FOX
10/1 vs. Jaguars 4:15pm ET CBS
10/8 @ Giants 1pm ET FOX
10/15 vs. Titans 1pm ET CBS
10/22 @ Colts 4:15pm ET FOX
11/5 vs. Cowboys 1pm ET FOX
11/12 @ Eagles 1pm ET FOX
11/19 @ Buccaneers 1pm ET FOX
11/26 vs. Panthers 1pm ET FOX
12/3 vs. Falcons 1pm ET FOX
12/10 vs. Eagles 1pm ET FOX
12/17 @ Saints 1pm ET FOX
12/24 @ Rams 1pm ET FOX
12/30 vs. Giants 8pm ET NFL Network
If this is our schedule I am thinking if this is us healthy we may get lucky and be 8-8. Im so disappointed and hurting over this.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

Gotdam right........

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

this is the downside from not building through the draft and developing young talent into your system and having it be the only system they know....

just look at teams like the Pats and Steelers and Jags... most consistant successful teams do just that.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

Brunell fuckin sux period.... TIME MY ASS ..BEEN TIME

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

I would give the go ahead and put Campbell with the first team offense this week in practice, give him the start next week b/c its just the Texans. Should be a good time to ease him in safely. This offense is not for Mark(this is why he showed no enthusiasm at the announcement and facelift Al brought) Campbell has the mechanics and tools for this offense-however next year would be our next shot at restoring this club. Geez I cant even say what this offense is? What is the philosophy behind it? This is a higher degree of Spurrier. Just line up with more guys running downfield than we have to block the rush. In fact, Spurriers O was.... more productive. Damn, can you believe that!! Holy crap.

*Fudge*, why couldnt Al have been a consultant or secondary caller to aid our passing woes. Last years system wasnt broke. Passing game and point of attack was just outdated and we lacked the weapons to excel. With all the additions, and Al, it simply wasnt meant to be with Mark. We didnt get lucky now we are 0-2 and reality is showing historically there is the tiniest chance of getting to the playoffs. Even this thread symbolizes what is going on. This wasnt meant to be the topic of Lacking- it was hoped to have these discussions as thinking about our future not that the fire alarm has been pulled and this year is going up in flames. But what can you do? We put our faith in an outsider(Al) and a has been washed up QB(no introduction) and again the Skins are the laughing stock. The more we change, the more we stay the same. Unbelievable.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

I imagine Brunell is eager to play against Jacksonville in a couple of weeks. Maybe that'll inspire him and set off a string of strong performances. I think either way Campbell is the starting quarterback to start 2007. But it's not 2007 yet.

Re: Bench Brunell
 

My major problem with Brunell is that he really is not a playMAKER.
I think should he get the start next week...that we may very well beat the texans... The problem is that they suck however...and i am worried that just because we may go ahead and beat them...in an unspectacular fashion...that ppl will get reassured that Brunell really is the answer...that he is this great game manager...and that is what we need to go far.

Personally i believe that Brunell does two things to our offense. He prevents turn overs...by not taking risks... But at the same time he fails to help us sustain drives and score points for the same reason.

I wouldnt even think about bringing in another over the hill QB like Favre at this point...because if you did you would be talking about comitting to him for another two years...and we need to see what cambell can do. But seriously...just try to imagine...if that was Favre out there...Dont you guys think that we would be scoring way more points! I mean you look at it and say...well maybe its because Brunell isnt on the same page with his receivers yet...but i mean look at what Mcnabb has done with stallworth...before the guy could have possibly had any time to learn the offense...

I seriously believe that having Brunell out there means that the whole team needs to play well in order for us to win. It only works when the running game is in sync...so that we can eat up clock...and our D is firing on all cylinders to shut down opposing teams offenses. The point is that there are times when this is not the case...when maybe some of the players...or some of the team...is not at its best...and at that point you really need a playmaker who can be the guy to take the team on his shoulders...and give you a spark.

Favre is and has been that kind of player his entire career...Mcnabb is...Eli is becoming that... Brunell certainly is not...and has not been for his entire time in washington.

I actually believe that Brunell is worse than a veteran like Brad Johnson. Johnson it seems...would have been a nice fit here...because while he doesnt take too many risks...he does seem to do an effective job of moving the offense...and Minnesotas record while he has been starting shows it.

I guess at this point...i would be really more curious than anything else...to see whether my hunch is right...that Brunell by playing it safe all the time...really has been holding this offense back...from reaching its lofty potential...at the very least...by not providing us the spark we need.

I think should cambell get some starts...we may very well see some rookie mistakes that will make ppl yell at there TV screens...mistakes that may cost us some games. But at the same time i think we will suddenly see the offense become much more explosive...guys gainging alot more yards etc...

That is why last year...i was kind of hoping to see ramsey get some starts...because in spite of the increased risk for turnovers...i really believed the additional explosivness of the offense could counterbalance it.

Cambell...is much less experienced than Ramsey...and hasnt taken a snap in a real game yet...so we are less sure what he will bring to the table...but i would be interested in seeing what hes got. So...i think...we give Brunell one more week...and if he continues to suck just make him the back up...and make cambell the starter...but in any case whether or not Brunell continues to be the primary starter...i believe the coaches ought to make a serious effort to get Cambell game time experience...like the titans have been doing with young.

I think this team is too talented to accept mediocre play at the QB position...and i think we need to give the young guy the opportunity to show us if he can take this offense where it needs to go.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

I think Brunell sucks is the easy way out...although right about now it's probably true.

As far as the offense being out of snych. Well my thoughts on that are, the QB sets the rythym, he sets the pace often times. He can impose his will on the tempo of the game. Brunell never, ever forces anything.

Today I watched Eli Manning play three very mediocre quarters of football. But when his team needed him most, he made the gutsy throws to win the game. On that final drive where they won the game, you can't tell me Philly 'took everything' away, yet Eli was able to string together enough throws for his offense to believe they could pull it out. That's not the case with Brunell or the Redskins. No, eveything doesn't rest on Brunell. No, he doesn't shoulder all the blame for the ineptness of our offense, but if he of all people can't pull up his own bootstraps, huddle the boys up, and start throwing between the numbers, woe unto us!!

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

On the post game show on Sportstalk 980, Doc Walker said it best -- (paraphrasing) if Campbell can't do better than Brunell, then it was a waste of a pick.

That's basically where I am. I don't think you're throwing in the towel by letting Jason Campbell play. At some point, you have to wonder if sitting Brunell and having the kid take over is what's best for the team.

Does Brunell still give us the best chance to win? While it's not all on him, maybe Campbell completes a pass to a tightly covered receiver, or he does something that Brunell couldn't do all night: hit a receiver while being blitzed and make the opposing defense pay for it. Make them back off a bit. The way things played out tonight, Dallas had no reason not to blitz someone on every single play. The Redskins couldn't defend it once!

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

Heres what i wrote in the other similar thread...

My major problem with Brunell is that he really is not a playMAKER.
I think should he get the start next week...that we may very well beat the texans... The problem is that they suck however...and i am worried that just because we may go ahead and beat them...in an unspectacular fashion...that ppl will get reassured that Brunell really is the answer...that he is this great game manager...and that is what we need to go far.

Personally i believe that Brunell does two things to our offense. He prevents turn overs...by not taking risks... But at the same time he fails to help us sustain drives and score points for the same reason.

I wouldnt even think about bringing in another over the hill QB like Favre at this point...because if you did you would be talking about comitting to him for another two years...and we need to see what cambell can do. But seriously...just try to imagine...if that was Favre out there...Dont you guys think that we would be scoring way more points! I mean you look at it and say...well maybe its because Brunell isnt on the same page with his receivers yet...but i mean look at what Mcnabb has done with stallworth...before the guy could have possibly had any time to learn the offense...

I seriously believe that having Brunell out there means that the whole team needs to play well in order for us to win. It only works when the running game is in sync...so that we can eat up clock...and our D is firing on all cylinders to shut down opposing teams offenses. The point is that there are times when this is not the case...when maybe some of the players...or some of the team...is not at its best...and at that point you really need a playmaker who can be the guy to take the team on his shoulders...and give you a spark.

Favre is and has been that kind of player his entire career...Mcnabb is...Eli is becoming that... Brunell certainly is not...and has not been for his entire time in washington.

I actually believe that Brunell is worse than a veteran like Brad Johnson. Johnson it seems...would have been a nice fit here...because while he doesnt take too many risks...he does seem to do an effective job of moving the offense...and Minnesotas record while he has been starting shows it.

I guess at this point...i would be really more curious than anything else...to see whether my hunch is right...that Brunell by playing it safe all the time...really has been holding this offense back...from reaching its lofty potential...at the very least...by not providing us the spark we need.

I think should cambell get some starts...we may very well see some rookie mistakes that will make ppl yell at there TV screens...mistakes that may cost us some games. But at the same time i think we will suddenly see the offense become much more explosive...guys gainging alot more yards etc...

That is why last year...i was kind of hoping to see ramsey get some starts...because in spite of the increased risk for turnovers...i really believed the additional explosivness of the offense could counterbalance it.

Cambell...is much less experienced than Ramsey...and hasnt taken a snap in a real game yet...so we are less sure what he will bring to the table...but i would be interested in seeing what hes got. So...i think...we give Brunell one more week...and if he continues to suck just make him the back up...and make cambell the starter...but in any case whether or not Brunell continues to be the primary starter...i believe the coaches ought to make a serious effort to get Cambell game time experience...like the titans have been doing with young.

I think this team is too talented to accept mediocre play at the QB position...and i think we need to give the young guy the opportunity to show us if he can take this offense where it needs to go.

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

I was in that camp that said "don't worry it's preseason". Then when we lost last week, "just wait, we'll be fine".

No more. He's got to be benched.

Al Saunders is a big waste of $2M to call run plays on every 1st and 2nd down. Gibbs could have done that (but wouldn't have).

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

NFL EUROPE, you make some good points. But I must disagree with your initial point, if the Texans really are that bad then it's the perfect game for Campbell to start. Why not get him going against, well, a mediocre defense. I don't want to see him starting against a Philly, not even the Giantes.
Bench Brunell now - quick!

Re: Time to bench Brunell?
 

[quote=TAFKAS;216461]I imagine Brunell is eager to play against Jacksonville in a couple of weeks. Maybe that'll inspire him and set off a string of strong performances. I think either way Campbell is the starting quarterback to start 2007. But it's not 2007 yet.[/quote]

Maybe that is the perfect time to make him accountable. Dont even dress him or bring him. If I were him I'd start thinking of clever ways to spend all the money that we paid him to sabotage our season and his HOF chances. No matter what that cant be resolved or taken back. No way he gets to play Jax.

Re: Bench Brunell
 

This is my first post here. So ALOHA everyone and hang in there. I could not of been more frustrated watching a game as i was today. Brunell's bounce passes and "paranoid" game management sure is irritating. O-line needs to take a long hard look at themselves as well. Im not sure if benching Brunell is our best option right now. All I can say is it is going to be a long painful week in my sports world.