What must Brunell do?
 

There has been more than a bit of Brunell bashing over the last few weeks. He got a bit of a reprieve after the Texans game, but there are still questions. Now we face the Jags, a team that has held some good offenses in check and Peyton Manning to around a 50% completion rate.

My question is this:
What do you expect from Brunell against the Jags so that you won't be calling for his head after the game?

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Get the ball out quickly to the guys who can make plays, don't force things, and hope that the defense rises up and plays their best game of the year. It's going to be hit and miss against the Jacksonville defense. Opportunistic patience.

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I actually disagree, 70Chip. Brunell needs to force some things. Part of the problem with Brunell is he's often so safe with the ball that we can't convert because our receivers don't have a 10 step lead on the DB. Brunell is going to have to make some big throws into coverage for us to win this game. We're going against a hard hitting defense, but you can wear them down. While the short passing game is great for some of the game, we need to take a strike or two down field to loosen em' up a little.

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If he can convert 50% of 3rd downs and ZERO INTs, we will win this game.

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[quote=GoSkins!;221603]There has been more than a bit of Brunell bashing over the last few weeks. He got a bit of a reprieve after the Texans game, but there are still questions. Now we face the Jags, a team that has held some good offenses in check and Peyton Manning to around a 50% completion rate.

My question is this:
What do you expect from Brunell against the Jags so that you won't be calling for his head after the game?[/quote]

If Brunell won a Superbowl for us, most fans would still be calling for his head. Some people will just never lay off Brunell.

When someone told me that the backup QB is always the most popular, I never really believed them until the last few years.

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i like mark brunell let me say that, i hope he stays the starter the whole season. but for ppl to be satisfied he must:

1. Convert 3rd downs
-Aside from the Texans game, it was 3 and out central
2. Continue to not make mistakes
3. Let our playmakers make the plays. gotta get them the ball, simple as

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[quote=saskin;221610]If Brunell won a Superbowl for us, most fans would still be calling for his head. Some people will just never lay off Brunell.

When someone told me that the backup QB is always the most popular, I never really believed them until the last few years.[/quote]


yeah... its just a bunch of unprovoked harassment... I mean, any QB that can beat the Texans is OK by me... I mean.. its not like we expect our QB to carry more than a 40 passer rating against actual contending teams or anything...

wow, bunch of fairweather bandwagon fans these fuckers are...

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[quote=saskin;221610]If Brunell won a Superbowl for us, most fans would still be calling for his head. Some people will just never lay off Brunell.

When someone told me that the backup QB is always the most popular, I never really believed them until the last few years.[/quote]

All right, for real, I don't think this is just a case of calling for the head of the QB for no reason... I think he plays scared and he's not a take-charge QB that we need to run a High-Powered offense....

I see him coming off the field with that wince after every 3 & out, and I want to slap him in the head and scream at him to grow some fucking balls and man-handle a D like he has the potential to play this GAME.

I would like to see him succeed, but I don't want to die by his hand this year...

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[quote=Daseal;221606]I actually disagree, 70Chip. Brunell needs to force some things. Part of the problem with Brunell is he's often so safe with the ball that we can't convert because our receivers don't have a 10 step lead on the DB. Brunell is going to have to make some big throws into coverage for us to win this game. We're going against a hard hitting defense, but you can wear them down. While the short passing game is great for some of the game, we need to take a strike or two down field to loosen em' up a little.[/quote]

I think he's too careful as well, but I don't know that Jacksonville is the best team to turn gunslinger against. One quick change and the game gets away from you. Your point is well taken though. I have screamed at the TV more than once this year, "For God's sake just throw it, man!".

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;221612]yeah... its just a bunch of unprovoked harassment... I mean, any QB that can beat the Texans is OK by me... I mean.. its not like we expect our QB to carry more than a 40 passer rating against actual contending teams or anything...

wow, bunch of fairweather bandwagon fans these fuckers are...[/QUOTE]
lol,great post

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What must Brunell do? Don't botch QB-Center exchanges, don't fumble, give the ball to Clinton and give it to him some more. Finally, when he has to throw, he shouldn't throw it to a defensive player.

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Take one for the team lol

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In order to beat the Jags he has to stand in the pocket long enough to allow the recievers to break free downfield, unfortunatly Brunell will be running backwards before the first snap. The problem that will encure this week that didn't happen last week is that the Jags will take away all those little dink and dunk pass plays and force Brunell to throw downfield knowing he can't, or wont in the presence of there D-line, I think we will see a lot of quick throws to players who have no chance for a first down, or he will throw it away before anyone has a chance to close in on him.

The basic game plan for anyone who plays us, force Brunell to beat you deep, no one believes he can, or that he is even willing to try. Goodluck running this week Clinton without a downfield passing game your going to need it.

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he has to help the offense win the game. If he only does those crappy dump off passes an they continue to work, i'll deal with that. if he continues to use dump offs while going 3 and out time and time again, i'll be mad...

i'd really like to see some bombs away regardless, as i can't see the texan's game plan working here.

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not turn the ball over. our defense against the jags offense is a good matchup for us. lets play field position with them and hope frost keeps up the good kicking. the whole kicking game for the skins could be the key

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[quote=offiss;221624]The basic game plan for anyone who plays us, force Brunell to beat you deep, no one believes he can, or that he is even willing to try. Goodluck running this week Clinton without a downfield passing game your going to need it.[/quote]

offiss, I disagree with your statement as is, but you hit the main point. Last year proved that Brunell can certainly hit the long throws, especially early in the season while his arm is not tired. The problem this year (and it has been seen before) is that he has not been willing to step into his throws when pressure is in his face. That is what he needs to do to really make me believe in him again. I don't think he is throwing deep because he won't look deep for fear of getting hit. I hope I'm wrong.

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All of guys make some good points. But, the most important key to this game and the season is that the O-line needs to pass/run block way better than they have so far. Well, actuallly their run blocking has been pretty good so far. They need to be more discplined and stop those stupid penalties. These few things will help out alot and open things up for a controled destruction of our opposition. Also, the defense needs to come up with more stops and cause more choas when they are on the field. We are a quarter of the way into the season and the time is now to put this thing together. Guys like A. Carter, A. Archuleta, B. Loyd, C. Rogers, Rumph, and Wright need to start earning their keep! With this high dollar coaching staff and players on this team, the returns need to be greater regardless of our opponent. If this team wants to be considered as a super bowl contender then, they need to strart playing like one and beating-up teams convicingly. Undefeated from here on out!!!!!

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[quote=offiss;221624]In order to beat the Jags he has to stand in the pocket long enough to allow the recievers to break free downfield, unfortunatly Brunell will be running backwards before the first snap. The problem that will encure this week that didn't happen last week is that the Jags will take away all those little dink and dunk pass plays and force Brunell to throw downfield knowing he can't, or wont in the presence of there D-line, I think we will see a lot of quick throws to players who have no chance for a first down, or he will throw it away before anyone has a chance to close in on him.

The basic game plan for anyone who plays us, force Brunell to beat you deep, no one believes he can, or that he is even willing to try. Goodluck running this week Clinton without a downfield passing game your going to need it.[/quote]
I think you're right but i hope it doesn't turn out that way!!!

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This is why we are monday morning qb,s and joe gibbs is the coach and al al saunders is the ofense cord and we all have blue and white coller jobs.hail to the redskins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=offiss;221624]In order to beat the Jags he has to stand in the pocket long enough to allow the recievers to break free downfield, unfortunatly Brunell will be running backwards before the first snap. The problem that will encure this week that didn't happen last week is that the Jags will take away all those little dink and dunk pass plays and force Brunell to throw downfield knowing he can't, or wont in the presence of there D-line, I think we will see a lot of quick throws to players who have no chance for a first down, or he will throw it away before anyone has a chance to close in on him.

The basic game plan for anyone who plays us, force Brunell to beat you deep, no one believes he can, or that he is even willing to try. Goodluck running this week Clinton without a downfield passing game your going to need it.[/quote]

Care to retract any of that?

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Funny how throwing 5 yarders to Santana makes you look like a great QB..

What the hell were the Jets smoking?

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;222269]Funny how throwing 5 yarders to Santana makes you look like a great QB..

What the hell were the Jets smoking?[/quote]

That Stash Hurricane Vinny left over I guess

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what must brunell do? brunell must rest on wednesdays and thursdays, so he will have that zip on the ball come Sundays... wow, what a difference!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;222024]Care to retract any of that?[/QUOTE]


Yea, the day your around to congradualate me when I hit the nail on the head. Which is most of the time.


It's funny with all the talent on display on offense how did we ever lose 2 games?


Offensive line did a tremendous job, Brunell had a lot of room to operate, it was a nice win, I thought Brunell did a much better job in this game than he did setting a record against the Texans. Let's hope he continues to progress.

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[quote=offiss;222299]Yea, the day your around to congradualate me when I hit the nail on the head. Which is most of the time.


It's funny with all the talent on display on offense how did we ever lose 2 games?


Offensive line did a tremendous job, Brunell had a lot of room to operate, it was a nice win, I thought Brunell did a much better job in this game than he did setting a record against the Texans. Let's hope he continues to progress.[/quote]

Most of the time... right.

I do agree on one thing, Brunell had a better game this week than last week. I think the entire offense is settling down and getting comfortable. A running game and protection works wonders too. Go figure.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;222340]Most of the time... right.

I do agree on one thing, Brunell had a better game this week than last week. I think the entire offense is settling down and getting comfortable. A running game and protection works wonders too. Go figure.[/QUOTE]


Just for the record I parlayed the skins and the over for a nice 300.00 dollar hit on the game, I do not put money on games based on loyalty, when I had plenty of time to really break this game down I didn't have a good feeling that we would win, but I did believe that we would find a way to score and keep it close, watching Moss turn that pass into a game winner was as sweet as it gets, a dramatic Skins victory, and a nice little 300.00 hit, how sweet it is!

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so, you talk about how they can't win here, and then bet on them anyways? that's not odd...

"they have no chance, here, take my 300. It's not like I need it. I'm not betting on loyalty either, but brunell can't throw, portis won't be able to run, the skins can't score... so i'll take the skins to win please."

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brunell is off the hot seat. I thought they get off to another slow start (which they did), I wanted to wait for the texans before benching brunell (though in hindsight, I probably panicked a little too much, partially due to not seeing the defense doing ANYTHING to help), then i wanted to see the jacksonville game to make sure it wasn't "just the texans."

he's just not a longball QB. that's tough to deal with, but not so much when he's winning games...

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[QUOTE=That Guy;222943]so, you talk about how they can't win here, and then bet on them anyways? that's not odd...

"they have no chance, here, take my 300. It's not like I need it. I'm not betting on loyalty either, but brunell can't throw, portis won't be able to run, the skins can't score... so i'll take the skins to win please."[/QUOTE]


As alway's nice job THAT GUY, I will keep you informed of Gibbs next press confrence so you'll know what to think this week.

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[QUOTE=offiss;223047]As alway's nice job THAT GUY, I will keep you informed of Gibbs next press confrence so you'll know what to think this week.[/QUOTE]

Wow - dude take a pill. Let's see, That Guy points out the illogic of your actions as compared to your statements and you act like he's the one with who has problems with rational thought? amazing.

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[quote=offiss;223047]As alway's nice job THAT GUY, I will keep you informed of Gibbs next press confrence so you'll know what to think this week.[/quote]

maybe if you actually read my posts you'd know my opinions have nothing to do with what gibbs says in a press conference and how worthless i think they are :P Not to mention what i was saying had [B]NOTHING[/B] to do with the redskins, joe gibbs, or what i think [B]AT ALL[/B]. Nice try though.

maybe you should go back and read your own posts where you contradict yourself and then lash out when someone points it out.

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Jeez somebody is a little defensive huh?

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[QUOTE=That Guy;223055]maybe if you actually read my posts you'd know my opinions have nothing to do with what gibbs says in a press conference and how worthless i think they are :P Not to mention what i was saying had [B]NOTHING[/B] to do with the redskins, joe gibbs, or what i think [B]AT ALL[/B]. Nice try though.

maybe you should go back and read your own posts where you contradict yourself and then lash out when someone points it out.[/QUOTE]


I really know what I say and have said, and I believed all was true, but if you have spent time reading all my posts I have also written that I believe Gibbs can win in spite of Brunell, further more just because I did bet the skins doesn't mean I didn't feel that all those things would come true, it just means that I felt even though we were at a great disadvantage we would find a way to keep it close defensivly as I am not impressed at all with the Jag's offense, yes I did take the over but didn't expect that kind of scoring in that game, as probably everyone else on the planet, but I was figuring some scoring from the defeneses which didn't happen. Did I expect our offensive line to play as well as they did? No way! But they put together maybe thier best performance in years, perhaps early on it was just a matter of them becoming accustom to each other and the new blocking schmes brought in by Saunders? Either way kudos to both aspects of the game that I felt would struggle, they both played beyond expectations, so in closing I absoultly felt we were at a disadvantage with our offensive line, which in turn would produce another lousy performance by Brunell, but I also felt we had a similar advantage with thier offensive line, turns out the latter was true but not the former which made the difference in the game, Brunell looked good he was stepping into his throws and delivering the ball with a little zip on it downfield, just goes to show he's cappable, but not willing when the heat is on, if we want to win it all we will have to give him that kind of protection the rest of the way, if that can be accomplished we can win it all!

By the way that guy take the over this week!;)

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Did I expect our offensive line to play as well as they did? No way! But they put together maybe thier best performance in years, perhaps early on it was just a matter of them becoming accustom to each other and the new blocking schmes brought in by Saunders?

Brunell looked good he was stepping into his throws and delivering the ball with a little zip on it downfield, just goes to show he's cappable,


Hmmmmm..............in reading your post O, I find wisdom in your words. Good protection=Good Brunell. Hmmmm................maybe it's not Brunell???
And remember...........Joe has three rings by less than superstar QB's with Good protection

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over vs NYG = lock

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I've been saying all offseason, if your biggest offensive worry is Mark Brunell, you will have a very successful offense.

This isn't Aaron Brooks or some journeyman snob. This is Mark Brunell. QB of the Jaguars in their heyday. Man who led the 2005 Redskins to the playoffs despite little offensive talent. Yes, he has issues. But he is a constant, not a varible. As long as the offense is working around him, he will complete a high percentage, scramble when necessary, not throw picks, and win more than he loses.

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[quote=GoSkins!;221642]offiss, I disagree with your statement as is, but you hit the main point. Last year proved that Brunell can certainly hit the long throws, especially early in the season while his arm is not tired. The problem this year (and it has been seen before) is that he has not been willing to step into his throws when pressure is in his face. That is what he needs to do to really make me believe in him again. I don't think he is throwing deep because he won't look deep for fear of getting hit. I hope I'm wrong.[/quote] Although toughness is certainly a virtue for a NFL quarterback, I think we have to keep his health in mind. We don't have anything behind Brunell. So he, at age 36, can't be pulling Leftwich's and stepping into injury. Just can't happen. Yes, he throws off his back foot more than I'd like and loses accuracy, but keep the big picture in mind here; he needs to make it through the season.

I get the feeling that if we are in a tied Super Bowl in the 3rd quarter and Santana breaks free on a deep post, Brunell will step right into a D Lineman to deliever the ball in stride.