Predictions on starting lineup
 

not much goin on in football right now, so im gonna make a predction to who i think should start, like to compare others also...Assuming Noble isnt ready also

QB-P. Ram
HB-Sea Port (Portis)
H/back-Cooley
TE-Kozlowski
OT-Samuels
OG-Dockery
C-Raymer
OG-Thomas
OT-Jansen
WR-Coles
WR-Gardner
WR-Jacobs

DE-Wynn
DT-Griffen
DT-Daniels
DE-Upshaw
OLB-L.A.
MLB-Barrow
OLB-Washington
CB-Springs
CB-Smoot
CB(for nickle packages)- Harris
FS-Taylor
SS-Ohalete

Well I love Ramsey but I think Mark Brunell starts game one. Also, I'm going with Haley at DT and Daniels at DE, with Upshaw coming off the bench

And Bowen at SS

TO hell with that Patrick Ramsey is gonna start, because he is a star and Brunnel is a gimp.

anyway... i think smoot hit it on the head, yet i think we have a few more... koz at H-back and rasby at tight end. baxter in two tights... ralph brown and bauman share nickel while harris heals during season

I also think that Brunell will get the nod at QB to begin the season. Even so, I wouldn't be surprised to see Ramsey finish it.

I think that an as-yet undetermined DT will start next to Griffen. I'm hoping we will trade for one, which brings me to...

I think Thrash might end up as the no. 2 receiver with McCants and Taylor battling for the 3rd spot, and Garder traded away to another team.

--Phin

i dont think we will get any trade value for rod in a player for player trade, especially those postions

to many teams looking for solid dt's, so we wont get but another avg dt for him. haley should do ok along with salave'a and noble very slowly easing his way back... but williams likes beef and lots of it in his dt's. thats why i pick haley for the start of the season

[QUOTE=jrocx69]anyway... i think smoot hit it on the head, yet i think we have a few more... koz at H-back and rasby at tight end. baxter in two tights... ralph brown and bauman share nickel while harris heals during season[/QUOTE]

is harris hurt? when did that happen?

I love Ramsey but I think Brunell's experience and accuracy will win out.

[QUOTE=smootsmack]is harris hurt? when did that happen?[/QUOTE]Harris hasn't participated in any of the offseason drills, as he is still recovering from a torn tendon in his knee that he sustained during the playoffs. He had been suffering from knee tendinitis for most of the 2003 season.

Tendon injuries and tendonitis tend to linger and flare up frequently, so the Redskins signed him to a deal that is laden with incentives based on his health. I suspect he'll probably be limited in the preseason as a precaution.

Thanks for that update Crisp. Never like to see a Redskin get hurt but I imagine this has opened the door for Ade Jimoh to really step it up and claim that nickelback spot, right Crisp?

[QUOTE=smootsmack]Thanks for that update Crisp. Never like to see a Redskin get hurt but I imagine this has opened the door for Ade Jimoh to really step it up and claim that nickelback spot, right Crisp?[/QUOTE]
DAMN RIGHT!!! GO ADE, GO!!!

I see a couple obvious, glaring problems with the original post on this thread. First, Koz is competing for the H-back spot, not blocking TE. So the 2 TE's you have there are not going to work. Rasby seems to have the edge right now on the blocking TE spot. Second, of the 3 WR's you have there is not one "possession" WR (as in Art Monk). There will be one. Probably McCants, but Thrash [I]could[/I] play that role - not Jacobs or Mr "Drop-the 3rd-down-pass". Speaking of Gardner, he will be either WR #2, or traded, or collecting splinters. I am betting on a trade, with a chance at the bench.

Also, it would seem that due to experience, past success, and Gibbs' love for older veteran QB's, Brunell has a very strong advantage for the QB job.

Yeah someone mentioned it before, but lets get back to SS. I thought undoubtedly it would be Bowen, not Ohalete, does anyone else think iffy should get the nod over Bowen?

You're right about Koz, John. He's definitely more on the H-back track than the blocking TE role. In fact, if you read Nunyo Demasio's chat transcipt ([url="http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/04/sp_sports_demasio060704.htm"]http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/04/sp_sports_demasio060704.htm[/url] ), he seems to feel that Koz could be the starting H-back, instead of Sellers or Cooley. His experience definitely gives him an edge going into training camp, but I'm not sold on his athleticism. Sellers and Cooley bring a combination of size, versatility and athleticism to the role that could make the H-back position a very special weapon in this offense.


As far as the wideouts, I could definitely see Gardner losing his #2 job by mid-season, if not by the end of the preseason. McCants is definitely going to see more playing time, and I think Gibbs would like to see him develop into a reliable possession receiver and red zone threat. But that's not a given. Much like Gardner, he has the physical tools, but his focus and determination have been suspect at times. McCants also sat out much of the offseason work with a shoulder injury. Thrash and Jacobs bring the focus and work ethic that Gibbs adores, so they represent significant wildcards in that respect; plus Thrash has tremendous experience, and Jacobs has loads of potential.

One thing's for sure: the logjam at wide receiver presents Gibbs with a conundrum that a lot of coaches would love to have.

I still think that Sellers will start the season at H-Back. What he may lack in experince he makes up for in his size and athleticism.

Bergman, yes, I agree - Bowen seems to have a big edge over Iffy.

Joe, as usual your insight is great. I had not seen that side of McCants, and thought he had a virtual lock on #2 or 3 - nice to hear from someone much closer to the situation! It's going to be very interesting at WR. I can't wait for training camp to watch all of this start to shake out. What do you think of the chances of a Gardner trade for some DL help?

I tend to agree with plenty of posts here. WR is a wide open competition, after Coles if his big toe doens't get in the way. How many WR can we carry if we are to carry 4-5 TEs? I can't imagine that we will keep 5 WR of that caliber. If we do, it is because we couldn't get a trade. I don't think we will get a player for a trade, but a draft pick may come our way....maybe even from Baltimore.

Assuming that there is 45 (maybe there is more) active member squad, here is what I see..
3 qb
3 rb
2 hbacks
2 te
5 wr
8 ol (including long snapper)
1 k
1 p
7 dl
5 lb
8 db

If memory serves me correctly, there is a total of 53 that is available and 8 are inactivated/practice squad....those 8 players I would guess would go as follows...
2 OL
1 DL
2 LB
1 RB
1 WR
1 DB

Whatchall think????

[QUOTE=lifetimeskin]Assuming that there is 45 (maybe there is more) active member squad, here is what I see..
3 qb
3 rb
2 hbacks
2 te
5 wr
8 ol (including long snapper)
1 k
1 p
7 dl
5 lb
8 db

If memory serves me correctly, there is a total of 53 that is available and 8 are inactivated/practice squad....those 8 players I would guess would go as follows...
2 OL
1 DL
2 LB
1 RB
1 WR
1 DB

Whatchall think????[/QUOTE]

That's a nice job of breaking it down per position. But let's try to plug in some names, sepcifically at RB/HB/TE

3 RB: Portis, Betts, Morton
2 HB: Cooley, Sellers
2 TE: Rasby, Baxter
1 Practice Squad RB: Sultan McCullough

So that still leaves no spot for Cartwright, Kozlowski, Royal, or Ware. The first two of which I think will be on the opening day roster

Smoot, from your post, I understand that they will keep a total of 5 rbs and 7te. Where do you think they will the extra 3 slots from? It is tough once you start the deletion portion!

lifetimeskin, I think your breakdown was right. I was just trying to say basically that I think, in addition to the guys I already have in the active roster, that Cartwright and Kozlowski (at least Cartwright) belong there as well.

So the question how can you fit them on the roster. Do you remove a couple of linemen or defensive backs? I don't know the answer.

Although now that I think about it, maybe the 53 man roster doesn't include the eight for the practice squad. Maybe this is why each Sunday morning you read about a handful of players "inactive" for the game. So they're still on the overall "active" roster for the season, just not for that day's game

Smoot, now I am really confused, is there 53 or 61 total (including inactives and practice squad players)? This would be a good thread!!!!

Ok, after some deducing through some old articles I think it's 61 including the practice squad

[url]http://www.kcchiefs.com/news_article.asp?ID=PZMQZI88H6I7RB6JAC2PARX84W[/url]

[QUOTE]Kansas City Chiefs President Carl Peterson announced on Wednesday that the club has agreed to terms of a three-year deal with S Clint Finley. He was promoted to the team’s 53-man roster from the practice squad[/QUOTE]

So my understanding from this is that it's 53, not including the practice squad. I know there's a place where all the NFL rules can be found. I just can't find it right now

[QUOTE=Hogskin]Joe, as usual your insight is great. I had not seen that side of McCants, and thought he had a virtual lock on #2 or 3 - nice to hear from someone much closer to the situation! It's going to be very interesting at WR. I can't wait for training camp to watch all of this start to shake out. What do you think of the chances of a Gardner trade for some DL help?[/QUOTE]
Thanks, John!

I don't think the Skins would be able trade Gardner for a D-lineman of any value-- at least nothing better than what they already have. The best I think they could hope for is maybe a 4th-round pick in exchange for Gardner. They might get lucky this summer and find some team that's desperate for wideouts due to training camp injuries, but even then, I don't think they'd get better than a 3rd rounder-- and that's a stretch. I think Gibbs will just let this wideout competition shake-out, and see who comes to play. If it becomes evident early on that Gardner isn't one of the top three wideouts, then they'll try to see if they can get anything useful in a trade.

Guys, here are what I believe are the correct limits:

Overall roster limit: 53 (does not include practice squad)
Practice Squad: 5
Weekly Active: 45 (Plus 3rd string QB - one of the 53)

Lifetime: So you actually get one more player than you showed for the weekly active list of 45, because that 3rd QB does not count as one of the 45. I agree they will keep 5 WR (many teams keep 4), because of all the 3-WR sets that Gibbs uses. However, I think you are a little high on DL (probably 6 - one bacup DT, and one backup DE), and low at LB. Remember, there are usually a few LB's on the ST, that will have SOME influence on the makeup. Also, expect them to carry 4 RB's, not 3. The 4th will be Cartwright. I do agree with your 4 TE's (H-Backs will probably all have the NFL position of TE). But I think there will be a 5th TE on the inactives, especially since I doubt that anyone likely to be #5 will qualify for the practice squad.

[QUOTE=joecrisp]DAMN RIGHT!!! GO ADE, GO!!![/QUOTE]


You heard it from Joe Crisp and Smooooootsmack, so it must be true. Ade in the starting line-up!

Terrel Owens - lookout! :headbange

Hog, so in general a team has 58 players to work with?

The practice squad was bumped from 5 to 8.

I got this from the NFLPA. From this I think the max is 58...guess they should have it right!

SQUAD SIZE

Section 1. Active List: For each regular season, the Active List limit will be 45 players per Club. This limit may not be reduced by the Clubs for the duration of this Agreement; provided, however, that individual Clubs may carry less than 45 players on their Active Lists during the regular season, but at no time less than 42.

[B]Section 4. Active and Inactive List Limit: In any League Year, a Club’s Active and Inactive Lists shall not exceed 53 players.[/B]

PRACTICE SQUADS

[B]Section 1. Practice Squads: For each regular season commencing with the 1993 League Year, the League may elect in accordance with this Article to establish practice squads not to exceed five (5) players per Club.[/B]

I did not realize the practice squad had been expanded. Is that new this year, or am I farther behind the times?

Yes, LIFETIME, I guess with the increased squad they have 61 players that they can hold rights to (not counting IR). However, there are restrictions on the practice squad. I'm not up-to-date on the movement restrictions to and from the regular roster. Maybe someone can help out there. But there are also restrictions as to who can be placed on the squad. If a player has been "active" (on the 45 man active squad) for 9 or more games in any one season, he is not eligible for the squad. There are a couple more aspects to the restrictions, but I do not recall just what they are. One or two NFL teams have been trying for the past few years to eliminate the inactive list, and make 53 players ineligible each week. But the competition committee has been unaimously against that on the basis of fairness. Right now, for example, if you have 7 dinged players, you can put them on your inactive list for a game. But if all 53 were eligible, and you have 7 dinged players while your opponent has none, you go into the game with 46 players against his 53. For that reason, it has not been changed, and probably never will be.

cpayne5 is right this year they chose to up the practice squad from 5 to 8.

WHOOPS - my previous post should have said "... 53 players eligible...", not ineligible.

i dont know if u guys caught this be4 i got criticism, this is what i think SHOULD happen, not WILL happen. Just clarifying.

The practice squad size was indeed increased from 5 to 8 during the NFL owners meetings in late March.

[url="http://nflpa.org/Members/main.asp?subPage=Practice+Squad+Changes"]http://nflpa.org/Members/main.asp?subPage=Practice+Squad+Changes[/url]

That brings the roster total (active (45), inactive (8) and practice squad (8)) to 61.

This is interesting... I just saw that if you are in the NFC West, you are allowed to have nine practice squad players this year, with the ninth being someone foreign born. Apparently this increase is being slowly phased in to all teams for signing foreign born players....

From Mark Maske, WPost..

[QUOTE=Mark Maske, Washington Post]
The NFL is phasing in its plan to add a spot to each team's practice squad for a foreign-born player. The four NFC West clubs will have a ninth spot on their practice squads this season for an international player. The other 28 teams will have eight players apiece on their practice squads, up from five last season.

The players will be Berlin offensive lineman Rolando Cantu of Mexico, Berlin defensive end Christian Mohr of Germany, Rhein Fire safety Richard Yancy of Germany and Rhein offensive lineman Peter Heyer of Germany. Heyer spent the last NFL preseason with the Saints. The players have not yet been assigned to their NFC West teams. They will not be eligible to be signed by another NFL club to its 53-man roster during the season, as other practice-squad players are.

"This initiative is another major step forward for our program," Nick Polk, the senior director of football operations for NFL Europe, said in a written statement released by the NFL. "The idea is for these players to be involved with an NFL team for an entire season, beginning in training camp. It is an opportunity for them to experience the speed of the NFL, to develop their skills, to be challenged physically and mentally, whether it is in the weight room or in learning new offensive or defensive systems.

"Our goal is to have national players participating in NFL games in years to come and this is a significant move towards achieving that goal."

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