Gibbs vs. Coughlin
 

Banks and King debate who will succeed faster, Coughlin or Gibbs. I'm not surprised King picked Coughlin over Gibbs. That toolsack.

[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/nfl/05/25/h2h.gib.cough/index.html[/url]

I agree!!! King is (and always has been) a complete waste as a reporter. But I do have to agree with one thing he said. Coughlin will have a huge immediate impact on the Giants. He will be head coach when they get the NUMBER ONE PICK in next year's draft. How can anyone be expecting good things from that sorry team in this tough division?

UH-OH - This just in... Bad news for Coughlin: That pick was traded to SAN DIEGO. So he will be getting the #1 pick for the CHARGERS!!! LMAO

The Giants are already whining about Coughlin they haven't even gone to training camp yet. Add in the fact that veteran players were upset with Collins being dumped and it sure sounds like a recipe for success to me.

Just take a look at the atmospheres that surround each team. They could not be more opposite.

Skins: All the players are psyched and ready to get this thing going.
Giants: The players are dreading mini-camps!

You may be reading too much into this... I don't see King bashing Gibbs in this article... he says that he believes that Gibbs will win the Superbowl during the second reign. He's talking about immediate impact.

I don't think King thinks that Gibbs won't have an impact next year... just that Coughlin will have a bigger one. Face it, Fassel lost his team last year...the Gints definitely needed a spanking and Coughlin carries a well-worn strap. I think they probably had better all-around talent... heck they had just been in the Superbowl.

I'm not so sure that the overall improved talent level on the Redskins will have more of an impact than Gibbs' coaching. We may actually have the personnel to have a top 5 running game this year. We have more experience at QB. Granted we made the roster changes to fit JG's plan.

By the way... they were both probably assigned to write different sides of the same story... the subject matter may not have been King's choice.

Each coach is very good. but if you look at the resume of both, who comes out on top, easily? Gibbs. who has a more talented team? Gibbs. This pick should easily be Gibbs.

I don't really know how Coughlin is going to help the Giants. The players were upset with Fassel because he was too much of a hard-ass apparently so they replaced him with another hard-ass?

And it's not like they're bringing in someone with a much better track record. Fassel and Coughlin have very similar career coaching records and Fassel has been to the Super Bowl, not Coughlin

I think Banks nailed this one, the Skins have not lacked talent, they have lacked direction and leadership. Our last coach entered the league needling a coach about his work ethic, and our team never really believed in him. With a head coach who would rather work on his handicap than on a gameplan, it's no wonder it didn't work.

Gibbs is not going to let anyone outwork him, not anyone. Gibbs gets guys to buy into his system, and his system (unlike SS) works in the NFL. Coughlin may make the G-men tougher, but Gibbs will make the Skins tougher, smarter, and more successful.

I disagree. The Redskins started last season with Trung at RB and a rookie at QB. There aren't very many coaches that will win with that combo.

[QUOTE=EEich]I disagree. The Redskins started last season with Trung at RB and a rookie at QB. There aren't very many coaches that will win with that combo.[/QUOTE]

It was SS that sold us on Trung being the answer over Davis, and Ramsey was drafted on his watch. I may dislike Danny, but a coach says go get someone and he does go get them, whatever the cost. Trung and Ramsey, not a rookie last year by the way, those were on SS.

I realize that it was Spurrier's fault... but the bottom line is that he thought he could win with a system and not talented players. They didn't have the talent last year. Wuerffel was not a talented player and he would not have helped their cause.

Ramsey had started 6 or 8 games prior to last year... that's still a rookie in my warped world.

Ramsey started 5, played 10.

Coughlin also inherited an Expansion team, and got them to the playoffs fast. You cant compare Fassel and Coughlin by sayin well fassel went to the SB, cuz fassel inherited a team that was already made...

[QUOTE=Big C]Coughlin also inherited an Expansion team, and got them to the playoffs fast. You cant compare Fassel and Coughlin by sayin well fassel went to the SB, cuz fassel inherited a team that was already made...[/QUOTE]

that's a really good point, see that's why I love this site.

thank you

[QUOTE=EEich]I realize that it was Spurrier's fault... but the bottom line is that he thought he could win with a system and not talented players. They didn't have the talent last year. Wuerffel was not a talented player and he would not have helped their cause.

Ramsey had started 6 or 8 games prior to last year... that's still a rookie in my warped world.[/QUOTE]

Spurrier thought his guys were talented, and most of the Gators just weren't. Maybe his system would have worked, but SS didn't work hard enough to do that. I hated Schottenheimer, but SS made me long for the days of Tony Banks and the "half-field read".

I don't think Spurrier thought he had a boatload of talent... but I don't think it mattered to him... he believed in his system and was going to keep at it, win or lose. He was going to use players that knew his system, regardless of their proven ability. I agree that he didn't work hard enough and he didn't make the team work hard enough.
But then again, any system with no pass protection, a lousy RB and a young QB is going to have problems, regardless of how hard they work.

[QUOTE=EEich]But then again, any system with no pass protection, a lousy RB and a young QB is going to have problems, regardless of how hard they work.[/QUOTE]

These issues are exactly why I can't understand why King thinks that the Giants will come around faster than the Skins. Coughlin may instill a new sense of discipline, but they still don't have anyone to throw the ball down the field, anyone to block for the QB, or a RB that can hang onto the ball.

Discipline is great, but execution scores points. I just don't see the Giants doing a lot of that this year.

I could go either way... but I think the difference is that several Giant players admitted "giving up". They won't "give up" for Coughlin.

[QUOTE=EEich]
But then again, any system with no pass protection, a lousy RB and a young QB is going to have problems, regardless of how hard they work.[/QUOTE]

Point is I think the cupboard is far from bare here in DC, and Gibbs has more to work with than Coughlin and is better equipped to get results. I know we'll be better equipped to compete this year and should be better than the G-men.

I would agree that the cupboard is currently not bare.
Gibbs went out and got the talent he needs to be competitive.

It was mostly already here. O-line, stacked. Wideouts, stacked. Most important is he's bringing some order, something we've lacked since '01.

To Dave Butz: From discipline comes execution.

Also he brings experienced coaches, which we havent had the last 2 years. That will make a huge difference

RedskinRat, I completely understand that and would expect that to be true, but in time. For King to say that this new discipline that Coughlin is bringing will translate into wins for NY faster than Gibbs will is a pipedream. In time it could, but the premise of the article was to debate about who would produce wins faster.

Even with a new found sense of purpose, I don't think the players the Giants have at the skill positions will be able to translate that to wins in a hurry. I especially don't see it happening quickly since he is bringing in such strong discipline and it'll take him a year or two to get "his" guys. We've already seen evidence of that.



And oh yeah! with heartfelt apologies to the Ramones...

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I like Arrington's approach to the team's potential (upgraded coaches/players)...he said something like we are a 5-11 team right now until we prove otherwise...

My goals:

1st step - progress beyond being pathetic
2nd step - win more games then you lose
3rd step - be feared by your opposition and gain some pride
4th step - make the playoffs
5th step - become a threat to run the table

I hope we take a lot of steps this year. However, after what we've been going through, I'll be estatic if we take the 3rd step this year.

No predictions here..just alot of hope I can go to a home game against the Giants/Cowboys this year and feel proud and excited rather than embarrassed by the over abundance of people in blue shitting on us..